This report the Expert Witnesses on russia Christopher Steele and the Intelligence Services own institute for statecraft which are helps journalists get to the truth in the fast ways it was really remarkable for me to see someone who is been fully discredited in the United States in Christopher Steel appear as an Expert Witness just 2 days before we learned that steele had been an Expert Witness on this suppressed and overhyped report the Senate Judiciary committee revealed that several sources that steel used on his notorious dodgy dossier had called into question his credibility and said that they couldnt really attest to the legitimacy of the report that it was all over the place and then you have Chris Donnelly who is the head of a covert troll farm operating under the under cover as illegitimate. Institute for statecraft think tank that was actually the Integrity Initiative and was organizing clusters of journalists and friendly cold warrior politicians to meddle in other countries affairs including spain to destroy the careers of diplomats and National Security officials who are cozying up with russia in their view who are actually just to pro peace and was being secretly funded by the u. K. Foreign office this is a figure who you know should not be called out into public as an Expert Witness but provided testimony apparently for a court that ultimately failed to come to the conclusion of the hard core russia gaiters and cold warriors and so now were being told that the scandal is that the m i 5 just simply didnt work hard enough to come to the highly politicized conclusion that russia was behind brags that we had by christmas feel and donnelly on the program it should be said that both of them deny anything like that and in fact the Integrity Initiative says theyre protecting our National Security here at home i should enter jack that i graze on sent a reporter to the institute for statecraft and who is our reporter mohamed el mozzie encountered Chris Donnelly he slammed the door in his face in a jacked it in from the office so weve given him the chance to comment as well and they obviously arent fans of transparency well obviously our intelligence and Security Committee in the house of commons disagrees with you in fairness the committee did say and the written evidence provided to us appeared to suggest that they have majestys government not seen evidence of successful interference in u. K. Democratic processes all our activity that have a Material Impact on the elections nevertheless it does talk about this t. V. Channel what do you make of circus dhamma saying one response to the report should be to look at the license many people see that as a seeing to ban this channel this program from british audiences here we have another instance of here starmer. Performing his designated raul as a servant of the National Security establishment which groomed and cultivated him when he was at the Crown Prosecution Service and there are a number of Unanswered Questions about here starmer we see him in forcing the anti 7 semitism code of silence on anyone who questions u. K. Policy towards israel palestine as israel moves to annex large parts of the west bank and there are Unanswered Questions about his role in the persecution of Julian Assange i would like to know still why here starmer met with the head of the m i 5 for informal social drinks in april 2013 the year after he decided not to prosecute the m i 5 for torture myself Sama Woodruff usual that he would say of course he would be close to m i 5 because he was the director of Public Prosecutions so you have to have a close connection to a Security State or im sure he would say that but what we have here is a case of here starmer now acting in a Political Leadership role in forcing one of the in forcing the agenda of the Security State which is to silence this broadcast there which presents a counter hedging monic the un gives a platform to voices that otherwise wouldnt be heard in the u. K. And that threaten their political imperatives well hes controversially got his people to send a letter to the independent regulator here about our license meanwhile he was of course d. P. P. During julian a songes. Case with sweden before his torture currently going on according to the un in belmarsh prison an espionage act is one thing that is come out of this report and tell me since you have won already of course your innocence is wanted individual room for espionage how a foreign agents act could could benefit britain let alone an espionage act as regarding National Security. I think a lot of people have forgotten we had an espionage act on the book until on the books until the Obama Administration began prosecuting a Record Number of whistleblowers people like jeffrey sterling thomas drake John Kiriakou and then you know we saw the 1st publisher journalist transparency advocate in julian a songe being prosecuted under this act and so its had a Chilling Effect within the National Security state on people who consider themselves Public Servants and now its having a Chilling Effect in the media people are afraid i can tell you from my own experience in washington in just the mood among the press here that people are afraid 1st of all the speak out for julian a songe and 2nd of all theyre afraid to publish state official secrets and that is the intended application of the espionage act its a completely outdated act i really fear for the u. K. If youre going to start bringing this across the atlantic well your a secretary of state might bump visited this week just as all this rusher aboard stuff was going and he congratulated the foreign secretary dominic grab for blocking while away from. Him to the progress in this country i understand that you have some doubts about the information were getting about we get concentration camps we have the images we have nathan law on this program i understand hes actually had tea with them i compare with the u. S. Ambassadors house in regents park this week what doubts do you have about the story were being told about millions and millions of we go muslims being maybe killed let alone tortured by the communist party of china i dont have reason to doubt that there is something that there is something going on in jinja that there could even be repression but when we hear these constant stories that anywhere from 112th to one quarter of the entire. Population are in concentration camps we have to go and examine the evidence and the data and at the grey zone we have done just that we examined the source data on the claims of millions of leaders in socalled d concentration camps and we found that it boils down to 2 sources one a figure named adrian sense who is a german evangelical who has no ability to speak chinese i dont believe hes ever been to china hes declared that he is on a mission from god against china his only published book is about the rapture and it is filled with homophobic. Language about diversity being a say tannic plot and this is a character that the victims of communism a moral fund a right Wing Organization has brought to washington as its key expert and his own data doesnt stand up the other group is the chinese human rights defenders which is funded by the Us Government and which took interviews with 8 week or his engine jang and extrapolated from the population of their villages the finding or approximation of anywhere between 250001 1000000 people in concentration camps chinas admitted that it has Education Centers but we havent seen the evidence for these massive claims and of course why are we hearing about this all now at this is all the language the hostile language of a cold war weapon izing a Minority Group who has a lobby here in washington under the auspices of the world we are congress which is funded by the Us Government through the cia cut out the National Endowment for democracy and all trump says that the burning have to use a consulate alone is evidence of something suspicious being done by the chinese just to quickly lets get to portland because images are being transmitted on some even some Mainstream Media outlets and what not thats going on in portland why is the army on the streets the show. Dad wolf who is the acting secretary of the department of Homeland Security who has not been confirmed by the senate and probably will not be justified this entire presence of. Steadily troops as trumps personal praetorian guard what some of called his guest stop 0 on the basis of graffiti being around portland theyve been attacking and initially mostly Peaceful Protesters and what their presence has done is stirred up an actual physical confrontation with people in portland and this is what trump wants its obviously an election ploy to start a culture war in the United States and theres a deeper problem here which is that the president does have some authority to play this out because of the establishment of the department of Homeland Security and all the power that the Security State was granted after the shock of 911. 00 and it was only a matter of time before president define his domestic political enemies as terrorists when he does he does we tweet you of course famously dont trump and henri tweet me you know is really in that president ial record of donald trump hey look this so many templates that gray zone covers from venezuela to yemen the worlds worst humanitarian crisis british and American Arms Company involved things that weve tried to cover on this channel which as i said this letter on molding show to the labor party babs doesnt want become an easy one template syria because james the missouri a who was found dead outside a window is head of the White Helmets they were backed i think they may still be backed by the British Government the british taxpayer and alone the american taxpayer what do you make of the latest allegations that he was corruptly using that money have presumably money from the british and american taxpayer as he led this humanitarian group in syria i always thought the real scandal with the socalled syrian White Helmets who were actually run by a British Military Intelligence Officer and james. A mercenary or from Southern Turkey was that this money from usa id and the British Foreign Office Office was being used to cruise to establish an ancillary of jihadist organizations extremist organizations that were committing human rights atrocities and making life miserable for syrians but now weve kind of reached the denouement of this organization with the mysterious death of lamar syria and dutch media confirming that apparently limor syria was committing some sort of fraud that led to a suicide and there had been some theories that he had actually been killed because the fall from his window didnt appear likely to have killed someone but the issue is that limb or syria was not operating above board he was deceiving donor governments possibly for years and then when donor governments found out about this fraud according to these dutch media report they concealed it from the public this is one of the biggest scandals of the last decade the White Helmets and the syrian proxy war as a whole and i think this is an appropriate date im all for such a scandalous and arguably criminal operation the white helmet who we have the boss off they refuted any allegations of our work with al qaeda and i says they ask course will we invite the Foreign Office and the state department to stand up there i continued funding of the organization Max Blumenthal thank you. Thanks for having me after the break conservative. Whether a lot of me have putin as spies in the house of lords as the u. K. Intelligence and Security Committees russia reports appears to allege. To have going underground. Capitalism in the United States abandon the United States the leading capitalists in this country are now global capitalist grab. Them their middle class without jobs without a future its a disaster covered over with. But the reality is a disaster and it was good from work you would see other people emerging trying to make a political career by their. Syria has been engulfed in civil war through almost 10 years its cost hundreds of thousands of lives and displaced millions more no one foresaw the peaceful protests of 20 of them is collating into a complex conflict between various armies geopolitical interests rebel groups and jihadists. But if you tell us if you say you hate the. Best look cool and. Deep going to look. At them on. An ordinary has sat down i. Never saw thumbs the mother. Then the shame that i live in a misstep a gun a sharp turn here. Is. What weve got to do is identify the threats that we have its crazy confrontation let it be an arms race on off and spearing Dramatic Development only im going to resist i dont see how that strategy will be successful very critical time time to sit down in tok. Welcome back the long delayed russia report is called out the arguably most Contentious Chamber in the u. K. Parliament out the lords for allegations that some of its members have business interests with Russian Companies linked to the kremlin joining me now from london is lord valve conservative peer and former member of the of the National Relations committee at the house of lords thanks so much labelle for coming on so what do you make of the russia report in the fact that it clearly states that arguably a shadow is cast over britain 2nd chamber not quite saying that its a nest of putin spies or you jacki so usually some members of the 2nd. Connections inhibitions sense to russia. Section you do forget that the russian. Of the Evening Standard so are things to be sufficient going on at once directions im sure the Evening Standard would say theres nothing to do with driving we have putin and in fact what this is referring to. Is russian power in london grad is named in the report and therefore doing the business of the kremlin deep in the heart of the palace of westminster rather especially. Meaning you know theres also different interests. Elisi hoops beer i mean after all were pushing my house a lot because we know something and i spent 5060 years. Eating with Foreign Affairs beyond my keep this out would not some opinions and it would be remiss of me if i didnt repeat it while im here to give my advice they can ignore it. You know thats what i get your kind of echoing the words of the Prime Minister birth johnson any truth you think him and what johnson was saying he said this is the big about the report is basically a failure of remain in the desire to say the brics it was. Was created in effect by the russian government well if it was youre not the russian government doesnt it to you that much to do with any foreign governments is to do with the bases in your phobia of the people who teach really. Are certain most. Russians are us losing the heart well their own. Countries are not well the report attacks m i 5 you say for saying that the reason why the intelligence and Security Committee couldnt find any evidence for election meddling is because we didnt look enough for it some of said its a bit like a santa cause argument what do you make of the i ses explanation that the problem here is that we cant prove something because we havent tried hard enough to prove it. Oh we made it look the job they are my 5 serves is to crack down on terror which cost lives long 3 and sat down the people who perpetrate or planning these terror acts if not friends we go out looking for evidence all my own may not be. You know read now the whole years ago but as you know the British Government says the terrorism did occur on british soil and soulsby because of the russian government yesterday times nish the period you know that there is a thin shot the. Way they did it right i mean some of the recent you saw us there. Are always the russian government deny that they have anything to do with it so here starmer however says that all of this shows the close links between the tories and the russians and in fact points to the fact that there are references to this channel although in fairness to the committee they said the presenters and individual shows are not here not culpable of the charge of being putins mouthpieces system or saying they want an immediate meeting between their people this is a letter im holding from joe stevens the shadow sector to save a Digital Culture media and sport with the sagittarian dependent regulated to discuss the loss of our license here or not t 2 broke us in britain. And this is from r. C. This has is one of each members George Orwell who fought for freedom of speech here comes the fall. During the war. In the top echelons of policy trying to boost the you mean fears of oxy because that fool will do it really is wrong saddens me how little fox news some of the things it doesnt unite science and whats actually report done by snappy daves matches over year ago which concluded that oh gee t. V. Should be left alone so you know. Im wondering is the lighter passing out signs they say its no longer in favor of free space well we owe it the higher thing is this agita regulator has generally said that he is broadly in line with other broadcasters which all say they do abide by impartiality norms as. In the legislation here i mean. What do you think it says about the labor body that that it says that he could do actual and potential harm i think hes overestimation friends rate your fire is to think this artsy with Great Respect with you here in. Which you do a lot of all. I think or should be a lot of. You know this this response. Ok but then those who are worried about russian influence in our politics talk about the big money Boris Johnson 160000 pounds for a tennis match tory donor donations because of that what about having there and theres no mention of the names of any russian oligarchs in this report surprise there isnt because i know there are loads the links to russian business and russian money should we not be worried about the well i mean its been a various i think. This well lets see what are we actually saying are we saying that Boris Johnson agent. Because hes accepting money for his political power im from russian so seas are always signed each name even because hes trying to undermine the. Prime minister you somehow manages to charney out of russian. History for release of beach donts. What if of come the regulator did respond and said were going to meet with the dramas people and were going to talk to him about why hes concerned does that mean that its a sham this independent Group Regulator a kind of a lie and actually we dont have a free press. Well it all is rubbing off on be quite happy to meet with the leader of the major opposition. And not beyond. Trying to leverage what is easier on the report produced by manchester universe last year which was quite just in included dodgy t. V. Respects left a lot to guess dhamma may well say that you are russian stooge for appearing on this program hes banned his entire front bench from this programme and from this channel. So who is there a problem in the house of lords you know the press are attacking that as a lords right now for the fact the you just said that 323 pounds youre going to get for a zoom call to. A to do legislation in this country what do you think of the criticism that you and your lords and your colleagues. Unfairly take in cash of the taxpayer for what you do in theres a lot. These learned already very hard for my money here i am generally here in the middle of the morning are so relieved and so well into the thing and you know i was doing your all most of my life has been strange and Foreign Policy i do have views on russian which are nazi in accord with those of the majority feeling at the moment in britain but were very not reflected in the past and i think russia is a part of your and no one suggests behind Matt Harmon Merkel in building a new relationship with russia its as simple as that i think on mine if the group says it needs to count theyre going to be located in far east russia or is all the european family and hes far from perfect and in that he chases wassim cone with many other countries but we are all of the politi cool europe and we somehow got some i keep work when you get as i am nearer to each even 2nd sorry you dont worry too much now people think of you know well just finally if clearly dumber is being accused of cold war attitudes against china and russia wanting to maybe ban this channel how susceptible is Boris Johnson to cold war style paranoia is sending an Aircraft Carrier to chinas maritime borders i think we do have problems with china and i think we should might clear that were not any so fighting on all fronts we dont have any actual major problems with russia that cant be solved by negotiation and a piece of good will thats why i support it russia coming back into the all eventually assembly of the council of europe i think there is a lot of work to be done there are many. Areas in which we disagree lets keep it to disagree and dion or not some house in out the truth of each other and stirring up things all the time russia east all europe dont forget it and as ramify of you mention there there to protect us from terrorism how do you think itll go down because theyre often in the shadows theres a fairly so how do you think itll go down with them that the and intelligence and Security Committee have been saying that my 5 just hasnt been doing its job properly i think its a pity that we havent seen the full unredacted report i can understand why we havent seen it but you know how much i have to let me give you certain amounts of things and i think keeping bruton street saif is a higher priority than looking around to see if a handful of russians try to influence a handful of votes you know referendum that do i regret the result i regard as being a fair referee. Introduce ition which is being bought by june election which sacked me we must now accept and my time is doing joe. Thank you thank you thats it for the show on the eve of cuba is a month on a day when Fidel Castros 26 of july movement 7 trying to cuban revolution to a defeated continues to defeat United States designs when its over and despite nearly ending the world fully back on monday with one of the worlds greatest geographers professor Danny Dorling will tell us which country he thinks could be the best ones and theyve been in the world until the washer has joined the underground when you try to sound kind of dress and facebook. Join me every thursday on the alec simon show and ill be speaking to guest of the world of politics sports business im show business ill see that. You cannot be both with the yeah you like. Problem drugs dont always come from unscrupulous dealers but from pharmacies too in every state in the United States we seem very sharp increase in the number of people seeking treatment for addiction to prescription opioids invited america under the banner of medicine persisted with the pain but instead of trying to wean him off though she just goes after dose after dose after dose and really became his drug dealer so whos to blame patients doctors manufacturers all the governments are. In the headlines this saturday us officers break into the chinese consulate in houston right after its vacated on washingtons orders and the u. S. Secretary of state calls on other nations to join forces against china. Portland sees another night of chaos as u. S. Federal troops use tear gas and rubber bullets to break up a crowd of activists. And a u. S. Ban on a fiction during the pandemic expires templating millions almost all infections continue to spiral