Any medical conditions. And the u. S. Accuses china of sponsoring hackers to spy on American Companies working on a vaccine for told 19. Pick out r. T. Dot com to read more about those and other stories out of mexico cross talk looks at what impact covert 1000 could have on the us 2020 like me to. Follow in welcome across the uk where all things are considered im Peter Lavelle according to even fox news trunk is lacking in the polls is this because joe biden is such a brilliant candidate or. Because of the hardening consensus the pen demick has been badly handled by the president still another theory trump ran as a populist in 2016 as he governed as one. To discuss this and more in denver were joined by ted harvey he is the chairman of the committee to defend the president and a Founding Member of the stop hillary pac and in monterey we cross the spencer originally he is a former communications and buys or to obama for america 20082012 as well as a managing partner of Communication Consulting Firm boots rhodes group or across companies in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i was appreciated ok lets go to denver 1st to you know im an avid watcher of programs like Tucker Carlson on box news and and so when i see Public Opinion polls about donald trump on fox i tend to take take take them very seriously and now we all know that the 2016 polls were off and off enough for the election to come out differently than expected so i really dont want to hear that the polls are off lets talk about what the polls really mean why is the president lagging in the polls. Well i honestly to your original point i dont believe the polls at all i dont think the president is liking it all the same pollster for fox news and on october 19th 2016 had a Hillary Clinton up by 9 points i think with the current way that we do polling with cell phones and its pretty hard to do an accurate whole but i do believe that the media has done an incredible job of destroying this Administration Since the day he raised his hand and got sworn in it with a Mueller Investigation and with. The. Impeachment fiasco and now you have the coronavirus and i think the president of iris very well look yes well this is the worst thing thats ever so its not surprising that the president s poll numbers are not as strong as they should be when you have the entire Media Establishment doing everything they cant describe him ok it was spencerian way in there i mean it is so with ted saying its the polls are awful im going to hold my decision on that i mean consistently across the board here that hes doing very poorly. It seems to me that its more an issue driven on it seems to me and being an avid watcher of the president it my sense hes kind of lost the plot and he seems to not be in his element like he used to be but back in february and march go ahead. Yeah and you know i disagree about the polls its not just the fox news poll there its multiple polls over a long period of time and of course we have to recognize polls are only a sampling of reality and of course they have a margin of error built into them but over time its definitely a trend and i agree i think the president has lost the plot that got him elected and i actually if i may i have a new book called patriots of 2 nations which. Helps especially people on my side of the fence understand support for President Trump beyond the i think over simplified explanations theyre all racists are theyre all ignorant or or whatever and i think ultimately its a different view of reality and he was appealing to a reality that dates back to the founding of the country which is a counter enlightment view of reality that focuses more on culture and loyalty and faith as opposed to science. Facts and logic and the social contract and i think actually thats what he was appealing to was people who responded to what they saw as an appeal to things like faith and culture but i think hes mistaken a for just the racist element theres certainly an element of racism in support for trump not all of his supporters are racists of course but he seems to be doubling down on the ugliest parts of the basis of court for him and i think thats where hes losing supply lines on the way out as you say you havent thats kind of very definition of the culture wars because you can you can look at it i mean a lot of Trump Supporters and this is look at Mount Rushmore this speech there which i think was one of the best speeches of his presidency and i can understand how some people would interpret it in a very negative light his supporters saw it in a very positive light did let me go back in line same with the mt rushmore speech because i think it was very very interesting if i could just be kind of simplistic here he spoke to the heart and i was very heart rendering speech but were in the middle of an economic turndown in a pandemic he didnt talk much to the stomach and that that would be my fault of doubt speech because you know we can talk about statues all we want but if you dont happen job and you dont have any prospects for a job thats going to stick with you more then talking about stashes go ahead. Well i think we do have a major culture war going on in this country right now where you have the left that has taken over the Democratic Party and theyre trying to destroy everything that this country stands for theyre trying to destroy our Capital Cities im in denver they have literally destroyed our capital in denver and theyre tearing down statues whether its united or. Whether red whether it is. Abolitionists or whether it is Stevie Ray Vaughn or doesnt matter who the statue is theyre tearing it down because theyre trying to tear down a culture that what the president s speech was was speaking to that culture war that is going on yes there are a lot of jobs that are being lost and i think that the president has done an incredible job with the u. S. Economy even end this Current Situation so i think hes dealing with that but thats the its right there was talking about why is America Great as opposed to all of the other countries in the world because we have the declaration of independence we have the costs to sion that sets up the individual as as the apex of our government and the Government Works for the individual not the other way around and thats what makes the United States unique and all of Human History and thats why the president s speech was so profound Jim Bittermann mensa me i would agree with you i think trump won the cultural war in 2016 but i think you can lose it in 2020 because of the economy i still think that that fundamentally is not people going to respond to i mean it is not you know im the product of the broad for over 20 years and you know having to explain american politics sometimes can be very difficult because we have a president may have 50 governors now at the end of the day hes you know hes captain of the ship he is responsible for the country but i sometimes worry when he says well these are just democratic cities and things like that and thats you know that is such a divisive thing to it in fact. Its actually true but when the commander in chief the leader of the country to say well its their fault i think that really sounds very hollow for a lot of people limor in a National Crisis go ahead and zoom right in the Democratic Senate is fram has balls the Violent Crime rate in the United States has been falling since the early the beginning of the 1990 s. People constantly get encouraged to believe that america is a war zone in the cities an act were safer we better then we bend of course there are areas of the country where theres terrible violence but overall were much safer than weve been in many decades. But again this gets to my larger point i agree that yes its a culture war and it has been a culture war at least since the sixtys but in my book i argue it actually goes back to the fountain country and its its more than disagreement over culture instance agreement over how we define reality itself and this is why liberals often have such a hard time. Arguing especially with Trump Supporters because you know people like me will will come at them with factual. Logic based arguments and miss these other elements and realize that there are many people who support from their different ways and what they would see is a higher way of it finding the truth in many cases or theyre looking at exactly the same phenomenon and will point to be evidence that what youre saying there or what youre doing there is an example of racial bigotry or religious bigotry and theyll say no no no im talking about tradition and im talking about preserving our culture that arguments never going to be resolved the 2 sides will just get more and more entrenched and more and more angry at each other and the extent to which they did manage it was evil is the greatest threat to democracy so in my book i share ways people can start to actually understand where the other charges coming from the sense of the bible i think for me i mean i guess like im going to jump in to the end because because it i truly believe he ready didnt run as an outsider he didnt run as a populist and i helped him for not governing as a populist ok but. Equally. And i think that is millionaires and corporations essentially i think thats his greatest weakness there when you know you tend to in a no win when the 1st wave of the stimulus or bailouts whatever you want to come off oh them you know it was Concierge Service for the very rich and powerful it wasnt for main street it wasnt for Middle America and then i was watching senator kennedy on the Morning Program sunday and he was asked point blank you know with whats going on with the next i mean listen bailout is home maybe itll come maybe it wont i mean it just seems like half the countrys is left let down is that theyre in huge crisis right now and i dont understand the in action i mean the pump the presidency is the most powerful thing in the presidency as a political it is to be able to stand up and say i want your time and this is how this administration is going to move hell or highwater with the g. O. P. Is going to do or the democrats why does any of you that. Well i do agree with you that he ran as a populist president and thats why he did get elected because he said he would go and help those forgotten americans that the democrats and republicans alike for the last 3 decades have ever left behind and they shipped out their manufacturing jobs around the world and that has led to huge unemployment and the rust belt throughout the country if you look at his policies for the 1st 3 years and he fulfilled all of those follow allah says he did bring back manufacturing jobs he did lower unemployment for africanamericans or hispanics americans for d. Women around the country those are those are not. Racist policies that spencer keeps talking about those are policies that raise all ships whether whether they are red yellow black and white male or female those are populist policies that got passed and thats why his poll numbers if you look at inside the poll numbers that you are talking about his poll numbers on the economy are still about 55. 6 percent across the board on all of those policies because the American People realize that on that issue he is working hard for all americans a populist policy and it is working when you when you start looking at the way the media has tried to destroy him on the coronavirus and you see the radical left leftists that are tearing down our our country in these inner cities yes they are inner cities that are being run by democrat governors democrat mayors that is undeniable that elections have consequences and if you want to have a mayor thats going to tell their police to stand down and let these radicals the able to destroy their cities thats a legitimate argument with the president to make and thats really what this election is going to be about do you want mob rule or do you what the rule of law and thats what this elections going to be about its not going to be about. Spencer replied into. You know its not the media thats killing more than 140000 americans are bungling the handling of the coronavirus pandemic and these protests in the cities are almost entirely peaceful and most americans are horrified by the sight of u. S. Military especially on mark u. S. Military snatching people off the streets this is supposed to be one of the greatest outrages of it all for libertarians and conservatives and they say that maries and the reason thats the reason that zach moved in that the president isnt so mark trouble thinking that you can you can reason it can cause the reason you hate inside its my turn its my turn its my turn its my turn to ted im sorry its my turn the reason the president is in trouble in so many polls is again gets back to my thesis i believe that people who have sworn their loyalty under the world view of the people who support him its admirable their loyalty is strong. But on the other hand what will shake that is displays of unworthy. In his case corrupt and incompetent censor hold out ready to go towards your break and continue our discussion about from in poland state with our. Best geysers financial survival bill they say money to develop. Move closer to jesus this is a central plank support diadem is going to call them right now say stop to. Join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and ill be speaking to guests of the world of politics for business im show business ill see you then. Welcome to cross talk where all things are considered im hearing about remind you were discussing why trump is lagging in the polls. Ok ted and i want you to respond to what spencer said before we went to the break. Spencers argument that this is just Peaceful Demonstrations is actually ridiculous that we wouldnt be having these top disgust and about these riots if they were peaceful you go look at the colorado capitol and they are there colorado capitol is destroyed there are windows shot out just legislators cars had their windows shot out evil are being beat now all across the country or and evil are being beaten up and the cops are being beat now this is not he will demonstrations this is radical leftist that are trying to do. Stroy the United States and for democrats for spencer to be essentially apologizing for that tells you where we are as a country that the left you the mayor of denver the mayor of portland the marrow of seattle is out there are marching with matter and saying this is ok to be doing this that this is not ok marching is fine in a democracy marching is fine im going to say no i was absolutely fine though its the job of police to protect some of us maybe once and they arent but the police have been called down and whenever there is violence whenever they are destroying private property these democrat these democrat mayors are telling the police to stand down and thats thats completely irresponsible we have a civilized government to protect the Civil Liberties of our citizens and these mayors in these towns and in these states are not doing. Dispenser you know one of the things that i found really quite disturbing is particularly in the city of minneapolis after all of the destruction i think we all agreed it was a lot of destruction in that city and then they didnt i mean they turn around and they say when do you want federal assistance when they abandon the precinct to the writers and the looters i mean you know i dont its the reason why im saying that is it this is this. Economic crisis this is pinned down a pandemic then we have the george floyd incident here it is being politicized and i wont deny its being politicized on both sides but this is certainly the left is enjoying this because it is for the 1st time in my humble opinion from is found himself to be a bit paralyzed go ahead and say. This is happening because trump is facing those serious crises weve all been afraid would come along and new would have to come sooner or later but the left is here is certainly not enjoying this nobodys nobody is enjoying that part of what were hearing from ted unfortunately and too often from. Folks who support trump especially people in the media who support is the cherry picking of a few emotionally salient stories and using those to substitute for the broader reality and unfortunately this takes advantage of a feature of our the way our minds work were much more you know worried about the single shark that might attack us than about statistics that show that swimming in the ocean is probably safe. And this is one of those cases this is very much a case where almost all of these socalled riots are peaceful protests and the United States of america is founded on the protection of peoples rights to disagree with each other and even engage in civil disobedience if they feel strongly enough as long as they dont engage in violence i by the way have spent many years as part of my experience working with Police Departments including in situations where we had similar situations over issues of police use of force so i think this is an area that i actually know quite a lot about and. Good Police Department their 1st priority is to protect protect the safety of everybody and the department that i would know that i was working with and the most serious of these cases their 1st priority in responding to protests was to ensure those protests were peaceful and to protect the safety of protesters many of whom were calling them terrible names thats a real american Police Department so seen what happened and laughing at square