Mean to be honest with you im not sure its even really trading in sweden anymore ok fair enough but they appreciate that for a while it was it there is trust between government and people when the people fail that the government has their interests at heart now for a long time capitalist governments have been able certainly in the west we had a kind of welfare state as a social democratic consensus that a certain minimum last time must be provided for everybody and therefore people felt that the government was kind of had been back when there was a certain safety and low level that we would not now we saw that start to crumble in fact in the 1970 s. When the pows loom was over industrial jobs started to disappear from the imperius countries and many communities when left very devastated by that they didnt have replacement jobs. Communities were just left to rot because they were very small minority of the overall population and the government spelt like kids or the ruling classes felt they could leave that situation and let it rest and most people would be forced to keep voting labor but ive been here a lot democrats in the us and they didnt have anywhere else to go and that was no one else really speaking up to them because we had a lack of real good working class leadership the working class we were seen retreats time. And so. That was the beginning of this process we can say now that she wasnt right financial crises massively expeller right to that situation because weve got some literally the day before that banking crash we were being told that the reason our comic services were being dismantled was there wasnt enough resources and people go into that people believe people believe the problem was theres too many immigrants and the resources wont stretch and then the next day billions to bail out the banks now that was a shock that was a big shock to people and i as i was already a community the socialist talking too much in housekeeping i thought that crashed and after that crash i can tell you the difference in how people receive what i had to say you know overnight was staggering its really george written just to enjoy here obviously is way left there we are a bit but i like diversity on my program of conversation but i would what i would glean from her is that you know i would agree with her it in the postwar era up into the 1970 s. Maybe even early eighties we take the us there was a except instead there would be a level of prosperity of course theyd be dips but overall there would be prosperity and i think that i do agree i agree with joe here in 2000 a day i came really crashing to the end because there is no. Promise of prosperity as mary beads. The whole postwar paradigm was 2 things a security and prosperity and they cant deliver on that anymore and they hold the people governments hold people in contempt for not a going along with their us politics of us territory ahead. Yes i think so and i grieve for the ship was a seminal moment it brought to power somebody who in the United States barack obama who was for the 1st time in how to member of the centrist Democratic Party he was somebody who seemed to be on the left of so this was a radical change but of course a radical change that his election promise and you had the 1st signs of the kind of popular insurrection against. What happened in 2008 with the occupy movement and that was very quick combination of obama. Taking it over and then you had the other police of breaking it up and that was. What then happened was that that resentment at that movement spun. Taken over by donald trump who was a kind of a right wing populist and who came dramatic change to dramatic change being. End of the wasting money on foreign wars and of importing cheap labor and you know capitalism making capitalism fan for ordinary people that is what he promised in 2016 that was enough to terrify the political war the political establishment launched against donald trump is kind of where we are now which is the this crisis of legitimacy dont be one of the things i think is really interesting is that me the astutely the new liberal order will not give any kind of credence or legitimacy to populists on the left or the right and i think thats really the who go where a lot of the the anger comes from here because you know you have like a Bernie Sanders character very popular among very wide variety of demographics but it was taken from him again because they and they dont want and if you if you look at the. Publican party the g. O. P. Has not changed at all you know just because trumps theyre ok i mean they do everything in their power just for him ok its still these populist. Fringes is where were told in the media theyre the ones that are being denied any kind of legitimacy and actually public toral access go ahead joe. Well we have to look back to 2008 what happened who paid for bailing out the banks we were told the banks are too big to fail they must not be allowed to bear the brunt of the crisis of their own system we must pay and how do we pay the working class all over the world has paid by losing a condition security you know Public Service is dismantling of privatization of everything that used to be provided for us out of there with taxes out of the wealth that we create but it was a kind of guaranteed minimum that social services where they and theyve been taken away privatized scrapped whatever and in different situations when they happen to be this huge attack on peoples Living Standards and you know recently we were told just before this crash were being told here how brilliant Employment Situation was now we havent seen such good employment levels since the 17th but it was patiently a lot hateley like when they talk about this recovery was recovering big bubbles in the stock market and a bubble lets not forget is a sign that somethings wrong in the productive economy and means in fact there isnt someone productive if you invest your capital. In gambling on the Stock Exchange on the Property Market on the currency markets all these bubbles are not a sign that something is good isnt there a sign that something is inherently wrong. And meanwhile other billionaires are taking thought years off each other on the stock market whats happening to all repeat. 0 hours contracts flex Flexible Working which means you dont know what youre working but you may be who is ready to just in case your employer wants you know say pay no pension no job security nothing minimum wage all below recently there was an outbreak of coding in leicester in britain and were. We finding the conditions that lead to that lester is a town of take so many factories. There was an obstacle in the Financial Times about cities so looking about the wages that are being paid which will cost minimum wage and Everybody Knows it Everybody Knows thats whats happening theres no health and safety theres no. Welcome conditions and being thanks well call pounds now but Everybody Knows the health and safety net tax people the National Government the local government they all know and they use winch in it and let it carry on lake george what if the thing that it what were seeing right now is a particularly during this crisis because its a huge crisis if you dont have a job ok particularly. If you had taken a hit in 2008 but we just see more and more transfer wealth going upward with it in a time when we need it going in the reverse direction ok just to save those middle classes and the working class because Government Policies all cross the western world much more so in the United States is that the middle class isnt really necessary anymore theyre paid theyre trying to replace them ok with other demographics go ahead george yes yes no that is exactly the case that there is a transfer of wealth. Moving upwards and thats exactly what was said by Warren Buffett when he said yes as a class war thats going on and my class is winning everyone took this as a joke but of which the man Warren Buffett is but if i go off it reveals something fundamental about the capitalist economy. What is interesting is that well in this election that isnt coming up in that it was going to get president ial actually nice is this issue isnt and in fact instead of focusing on who is the enemy who should be you know they are the focus of our. The Election Party of the left is focusing its ngo on the middle doubts you know when when Hillary Clinton talked about the basket of deplorable she meant the middle class hopefully the unite they hear the one percent but that is the middle class theyre the enemy and you can be sure that any. Democratic administration will wage a war against the people that they consider wall street as the enemy they dont consider the financial speculators the enemy. Because of the sweat shop owners the interest its the ordinary well the enemy with knowing is particularly in the United States and theyre focusing everything on trump because there is a lane in politics right now and it is it is too cute to go in and rescue main street in the middle class nobody wants to do that because this is a job he just told us you know they told us there was no money theres plenty of money apparently ok so trump will not make that bold move and go and save the middle class working people and of course a biting you to get there theyre a talking point from the t. N. C. I mean this is its so gave big with what was happening right now and no one is bold enough to step up job to go ahead georgia touched on something really important the majority of the media are busy trying to distract our attention from the real problem which is of course the inequalities created by capitalism which are built into it but there is a crisis of legitimacy increasingly people feel the system doesnt work here we have to go to a hard break and out of the car to new york recession a lot of legitimacy say. Join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and ill be speaking together for the world of politics for business im show business ill see you then. Ah no team no crowd. No shots no. Action to help speak up. Let me stress over those 12. Points your thirst for action. Segregated only by social class. People also in poverty by 1st place if youre born into a poor family off your born into a minority family if youre born into a family that only has a single parent that really constrains your life chances people die on average 15 years younger than you born into generational poverty. And its a tough fight every day to meet your needs and the needs of your family. Welcome back to crossfire where are all things are considered to remind you were discussing a crisis of legitimacy. And it was go back to bristol georgia you might be going to the break you want to finish your point to write it thanks peter. There you see a growing sense of disconnect between the people and their government between the people in the institutions of the state which increasingly are seen not to be on their side not to be neutral not to be arbiters of justice but to be very much aligned with the interests of the rich and ruling class. The Judiciary Police you know the Education System all of that over these last 10 years has been really exposed and then of course weve had a covert crisis which has extension waited exacerbated all of those inequalities in the system and laid them bare you know like never before at suny extent that we are now seeing a growing number of serious misses in the media not the ones in the media that george is talking about how busy trying to divert our attention but the the ones in the Financial Times or politico who are writing you know think pieces saying if we are not careful it is going to be a revolution they dont say and that you know as well as back in 2014 plutocrat an oligarch who nicanor billionaire wrote an article i dont know if you guys saw recalled pitchforks a tree and he expressed it talked about the massive and growing inequality in the world and in the western imperialist countries particularly the u. S. But the u. K. Is not. The way that growing inequality in. How people felt about the system and about the rich and about their future and he said if we dont do something to hold this. This disparity in this growing disparity then we are going to be in trouble we like to tell ourselves but we will be and marching will go to a sink because in the Financial Times just 2 weeks ago sensually saying the same thing now these people. Really want to save the system they want capitalism to be made. What people in our state and placed what theyre unable to recognize is well marx and engels pointed out 150 years ago which is this growth in disparity of income and situation is hard into capitalism it isnt a way out and that is how the system works right now with the crisis so glaring that everybody can see it and it educates well that. What they do is george is one of the big youve already mentioned deplorable zoomie i cant you know when you and i were both coming up in the world there was a pretense of some kind of objective body from the media that is legally gone right now and we can use the example be election of donald trump and we can use brags that to me you know you know we know that you know the people voted the wrong way and they had it in there theres no forgiveness for that whatsoever and that goes into this. Cancelling of culture censorship i mean it what it was really quite glaring is they dont talk about social and income inequality talk about all these other cultural issues the cultural wars because if you as john pointed out if you start really seriously looking at whats going on right now the situation is in the long term its untenable go ahead george prevails in an election the losing side will simply not accept it and this is in fact what happened in 2016 in which they were losing side was at will determined to sabotage an election result the didnt accept and we can be sure that whoever will be the losing side this november will react in the same way and of course that is it works very much too early in the its advantage. No one wants to raise the issues of how. All of the benefits of. Economy flow to the one percent much less the one percent no one else gets anything out of it instead we have a warring factions hating one another who are themselves hardly beneficiaries of the system but george a kind of that good that touches on to the Council Culture thing here just one of the things thats very interesting to me is that you know we. Presented this illusion of choice right here there is no choice here ok and the culture wars is a nice diversion and they do give the impression that there is a choice here because at the end of the day theyre going to protect the neoliberal order thats what is made the one percent and the good in the political elite of the media elite so wealthy and so content because if you talk about. Income and social inequality then youre going to have to approach it differently but you know lets talk about statues lets talk about cancel kocher and all of that is a diversion not everything is racist apparently now you know if you start dealing with social inequality i think the whole issue of racism will dissipate very very quickly go ahead. Sure well you know these latest economic crash which is being you know the narrative is that its all the fault of the pandemic but of course the reality is this crash is in fact it was financial commentators for the last 34 years it was coming its built into the system is systemic crisis that was long overdue coded probably over the edge but in fact it was already starting to just explore you know looked and started to happen so we have this huge crisis which is deepening inequality and i really revealing the night shell of a lot of the some good employment that we had incredibly insecure and on top of that weve had the cloven crisis which is again exacerbated importance here and showed us how its the must essential people who we need to keep society running who are the least paid the least respected more like its jobs more likely to be done by the poorest and most oppressed. Because all these inequalities are being deepened and of course what were seeing as well is that women ethnic minorities are disproportionately bearing the brunt of the Health Crisis and the economic crisis and that so this whole deepening of all the inequality its not society its something that they are really worried about us looking at properly and hence this move to turn the narrative away from capitalism creates inequality towards what people hate black people men hate women you know we must fight against the symbols of sexism we must fight against the symbols of racism to divert us from understanding the root causes you know when it comes to im not opposed to reeducate people who have begun to change but youve got to put the cart before the cause whats creating your attitudes we have our media pumping. T. Immigration and anti you know anti black people richly access incessantly stealing our hands legal currency but have to choose which then well then blame oh how you know if you want to get rid of racism 1st youve got to get rid of the cause of racism which is this system inequality then when people are left with some how do you know that without it it would be quite easy for them to be really educated but i dont. Consider that im not happy with that term ok i get a little bit. Nearing for me however i mean george is. Carrying a page from what we just heard here i mean its tells me that the elites have no answer its ok because. The status quo serves their interests and theyre not willing to take or with it its really quite amazing as we were you know we had the case of f. D. R. Which you know his political posts say he was going to bring socialism to america bring communism to america but in fact f. D. R. Saved capitalism save the system ok and and again historians because a lot of people are politically motivated they dont see it that way i mean what i find really quite glaring here is that theyre not theyre staring into the abyss these elites because its its an untenable situation to continue and i agree coben just get over it just and actually move the curtain a way for us to have a real clear view of whats going on go ahead george know tha