Prison who but it wasnt just the president clutching the pearls the activists gadflies and Culture Police from the right and even some on the left were also losing their collective minds on t. V. And social media over the toppling of these slave owning idols the parents of the removal of the ulysses s. Grant statue was just a line too far for some people oakes ignoring the fact that grant despite helping to win the civil war didnt fact own slaves and presided over a particularly horrific chapter of physical and cultural genocide against native americans a leftist hero he is not. And while the toppling of statues and the removal of racist flags do make for great Corporate News and social media spectacles they represent just a fraction or dare i say an easy distraction from the real work that still needs to be done to destroy the institutional racism and economic injustices that gripped the United States of america real work like the kind that black labs matter activists and defund the police proponents are doing right now just outside city hall in new york city dug to occupy city hall protesters have taken over the City Hall Park with the New York Times noting that what started on a patch of lawn in a few square feet has now taken over most of the park and drawn extensive attention across social media they have one goal and one goal on. Too deep on the new York City Police department to the tune of 1000000000. 00 and its there in the heart of the real fight for justice and equality that we start watching the horrors. If you want to know whats going on a city in the streets you want to be clear so youd like to see the rises joyce just state and City Employees drone strikes mass graves see displaced systemic deception is delayed so which days i would be so when the job is. Welcome i want to watch a lot i robot and im in the crowd and joining us today to discuss new york citys occupy City Hall Movement is jamie tiber good director of development for new york citys bring new york communities for change thank you so much for joining us jamie a pleasure to have you on. Thanks for having me on today. Occupy city hall is demanding a 1000000000. 00 taken off the new York City PoliceDepartment Budget that is actually not as big of a mask as one of the magic was given that the n. Y. P. D. Budget sits around 11000000000 jamie is there a deadline for theres the funding that youre calling for and where should this money be reallocated if it is indeed taken out of the Police Payroll or Police Budgets. Yes a the budget vote is actually happening right now and in fact yesterday we got news that the mayor and the speaker of the council cory johnson have made a backroom deal but its simply resell follows the 1000000000 dollar best of the n. Y. P. D. And actually just scouts is it under the department of education knowing that there are schools out cops and the funding would still be at the discussion of the n. Y. P. D. Now the deadline is wednesday july 1st. And jamie what its been mayor de blasio and other city officials response to your presence and city hall and the protest a mans. Yes so the response to city hall has been i mean i would say i was unresponsive. You know i think they tried to have a meeting with some of the people on site and that meeting request was rejected and the people on site simply said you know i the mans you know how we want you to be allocated a budget we know we are you know that we want to do it. Or rather we know that you need to defund the n. Y. P. D. And so they refused to meet with them. And people have also been self organizing and different actions outside of individual City Council Members as well as the speaker and the mayor and i mean we havent seen them we havent heard from them i mean they will tweet a little bit here and theyre nominally supporting it but you know if we get them in person and say you know well you. Actually vote no on a budget that doesnt reflect their demands. Theres no nuance or you know since this push for true justice and equality began with the murder of George Waterman weve been fighting for much longer than the person has really took you know really took momentum in the last few months weve seen brutal footage come out of new york city especially in recent weeks and their treatment of black lives matter protesters and other activists simply all marching what has been the Police Reaction to you know your occupied group so far all of they handled you guys. The i mean. Thats a defense 2 different questions right how have they been in general versus how are they with the people out there in camp meant i mean when the protests 1st began and they were incredibly aggressive. All of the protests were peaceful or they would at least be good and peaceful until a cop presence so it and would escalate and. There would be undercover cops actually trying to escalate it all d. And in fact and you know. An incarcerated person over at metropolitan Detention Center in sunset park florida was pepper sprayed to death during the protests which then sparked another wave of protests. And we are also completely unaware of the people that they get not usually you know when there is a big protest people are at least aware of their friends or loved ones that have ended up being arrested and they know you know which. Is silly that theyre being held or at least supposed to or theyre at least able to have some sort of contact with them right now we have thousands of protesters and we dont know where theyre being how theyre going to get out what sort of conditions theyre in and this is in the middle of the pandemic alert is the word could be out by the way because were with these people are all out there practicing their 1st amendment right to protest and the Police Response to this has been deplorable sure believed. And jamie judging everything thats going on on the ground do you think you will stay past the june 30th deadline if the city chooses not to defund it why p. T. What would your next steps look like. You know thats really for people to decide and i think we will know better what a response should be after tomorrow were hearing that a new budget will be proposed that 11 am tomorrow we dont really know what its going to reflect or whether theyre listening to any of the people that are. You know protesting them you know there were individual actions last night and there were some today there will be more tonight. I dont know whether the actual split the coaling camp learned will remain. But the work will continue i mean before any of the calls to the on the police were mainstream you know we already had a campaign to free them all of which is a campaign to not only sweeney criminalize survivors being held in europe jails and prisons but anyone because we dont believe the prisons that exist theres also a campaign to cancel rents because we do not believe god promises private property should exist theres no been campaign to fight private pipeline from being built in new york so all of that work is connected all of that work will continue whether the actual physical encampment will remain its up to the people really. Jamie how difficult has it has this you know occupy style protest been to organize and keep going in new york and what would your advice be to others who may want to follow in your free speech what steps and say in other cities across the country and their efforts to try to beef on the police you know do these encampments or these occupy style protest work and how difficult are they to kind of get everyone together and get everyone on the same page. I mean i think whats important to remember inside this ng cant win is just one of the men to talk with that are happening parallel and simultaneously i think one a good thing about an encampment and i knew think the term encampment instead of occupation because. There was a teachin at city hall where of talk about the colonization and the fact that you know every inch of the United States is occupied territory and why their term occupies a bit of a problem and so you respect those missions the people on site and im using encampment. I think the plus side of an encampment is that we are physically there outside of city hall and so they simply cannot ignore us they cannot say that no one cared they cannot say that people didnt demand them of something. I think it was easier for new york. Of. As quickly as it did because we do have a history of encampments in new york of course most notably occupy wall street but even after that and before that there were smaller encampments you know outside of Governor Cuomo those office or Wells Fargo Bank during the Standing Rock protests. And so there were already i think a network of people who you know how those set of infrastructure who were aware of you know land laws like street laws sound laws so that we would be abiding by you know at least some sort of like wall is so that there is no unnecessary reason for the police to escalate. And you know different people nearby offering their bathrooms offering there are you know lobbies i think a lot of this was possible because we had already such a good infrastructure set up for joe support during the protests i mean people even have porta potties that they were able to their own interest. So i think my take would be that for other places that might want to take this on or model themselves after those you know really think about whether its strategic use of your time. And what sort of escalation are you trying to do is you know a location like city hall youve been very loyal to you. You know do you have a good number of people who can get the word out and mobilize are there enough networks of other organized to be able to sustain it and at the answers to those questions i know i would i think you know advise against it and focus on other types of very an occupation in part it is very sound and sage advice and thank you so much for all the good work youre doing out there once again jamie tiber thank you so much. All right as were going to break remember that you can also start watching the hawks on demand for the brand new portable t. V. Which is available now on all platforms you have no excuse but to get it coming up a major cross bridge the st louis mayors dangerous response to the defun Police Movement in her city and many are 2 americas rather blevins brings us the latest on the controversy and questions surrounding russian bounties in afghanistan the boys dont want to miss this stay tuned to watch in the whole. Show seemed wrong. Wrong just dont. Let me. 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Join me every thursday on the alex simon show and ill be speaking to guest of the world of politics sports business im show business ill see you then. Calls to defund the police are mounting with protestors across the u. S. Making moves to show not only how Brutal Police interactions often are with blacks but also how much city budgets over spend on Police Departments in the wake of George Floyds death at the hands of Minneapolis Police just last month protesters are calling for changes in Police Behavior and advocating for something many find a bit more radical defunding the police or cutting the budgets and reallocating from police function to social Services Health and Economic Development some cities are answering the call new york mayor bill de blasio pledged to shift in y. P. Budget to houston and social Services Los Angeles mayor Eric Garcetti bouts of call 150000000. 00 from the l. A. P. D. To Fund Health Care jobs and peace and others philadelphia canceled a planned 19000000. 00 increase for the Police Department and shifted 14000000. 00 of the Police Budget elsewhere including Affordable Housing but not every city is welcome the shift in police funds st Louis Missouri is on the decent in a big way st louis mayor little cruising with full on race stoking the flames of hate and putting a target on the backs of protesters in a Facebook Live appearance seen by thousands crewdson was asked about a meeting shed had with protesters at city hall after grabbing papers and reading through a litany of activist requests she became agitated at how they wanted Police Budget spent groups and went on to announce the names and home addresses of those seeking to be fun the police the video has since come down and kristen has apologized after the a. C. L. U. Civil Rights Groups activists and elected officials far and wide condemned her. Is it so wrong to ask that 15000000. 00 go to nonprofits with a history of Violence Reduction like your violence is it wrong to ask that 60000000. 00 go to health and Human Services apparently mayor cruz and believes so and castigated protesters who met her with earnest to reach middle ground in the resources communities meet the most instead of hearing them out in meeting them where they were she decided to declare war against. I mean is this the age of the idiot politician because i. Do Something Like i remember when politicians used to be afraid to offend the popular member when they used to be like well i dont want to say this word because that might be offense or i dont want to do this stupid thing because i dont want to now it seems like oh youre absolutely correct parties have gotten way too powerful and elected officials arent necessarily as afraid of the public as they probably used to be when it came to them getting removed at the ballot box so were seeing them go all out and do things that we probably wouldnt seen just a few years ago gerrymandering ladies and gentlemen thats why you get politicians not afraid of losing elections you know ive been. Why is the from the police seem is so radical why is this being seen as like some major and saying crazy thing by by a small section of the public and elected officials because of the narrative the American Public and some elected officials have developed around policing the idea is this law and order capitalism type society where people are ok with blowing up Police Budgets because they assume that this is for the safety of the community what we know is that over the past 1520 years Violent Crime has gone down dramatically and there is no correlation with the extra cost of Police Budgets to the reduction of Violent Crime what we have seen is the areas that have Strong Health and Human Services areas that have hospitals clinics Strong Mental Health support areas that have afterschool programs that young people can get involved in areas with strong Economic Development typically dont have high rates of violence we know that so its not be the influx of Police Budgets or paying them or putting more into the budgets and be mindful its not for the police themselves when the secondary argument is youre taking money from Police Officers who are putting their lives on the line with the bloated Police Budgets and the increase in those Police Budgets Police Officers themselves have not seen increases in their salaries so this isnt going to pay the Police Officer will bait and switch or its like oh youre going to hurt them down. Actually you know theyre going to be where they were you know another thing to add on to that i think would help curb violence across the board and justify and get rid of the bloated Police Budgets that were seeing is why dont we the war on drugs at this point why dont we decriminalize and the war on drugs because look most gang right Gang Violence points to chicago where theres always been people being killed over again but if you have the war on drugs then theres no more violence beca