A host of the political big manti you tube or a gentleman crossed up rules in effect that means in japanese i dont want and i always appreciate it ok lets go to atlanta 1st but what do you make of this autonomy is reaching the south big claim i suppose republic in the center of seattle the mayor is calling it a. Summer of love its a block party but there are other reports and its not its not universally reported some outlets have different views than others obviously its america there are long guns theres extortion going on there is other illegal activity the social services 911 people cant get through i mean how do you look at this because under the right its being laughed off but its not funny in any respect that the authorities. And abandon their responsibility to their constituents how do you look at this i visited. Clinics are interesting social experiments for any political scientists because. Your 2 main things alluded to major ways of looking at the world are 1st weight was human of the natural condition of all or the state of nature would be for example one side i would be peaceful organizations im not nor is it just state would be gone tomorrow or we were all end up on a Desert Island what. A lot you know i would see us all as you know inherently good would be good to cooperate so lost in other looks a series of competition for power and destruction so this is of course because they just wont be the role of the state now if you believe the former is essentially the state yes there is a burden if you remove it and especially freedom liberty will and other you believe. More out of the french. And then english civil war would assume that exist it goes away and then you would call it into chaos. There is what is interesting with this child whether or not its cultural festival or a. State will be if it doesnt or a sense. This entire defunding and abolishing police and a new essentially it was effectively a state is interesting because a failed state would essentially suggest theres more than one hour and now you expect you already have when. I said that. The Us Government or the police at least. That seems to be listening to answer a certain as yet there must reduce or this year. At least are gone this will be essential tonight experiment you know but you know he graham you know it is functioning like a state but it will vary conservative prettiest i would say age they believe in borders number one they believe. Extracting resources maybe some people call i mean a lot of people in the world call taxation extortion i mean it is taking on some kind of a state might features here but once it nominally speaking you would think that they are not particularly or and we have to also you could also care through eyes that miss colonizers theyre taking over some other peoples land and businesses ran on top of. This several interesting things that are happening here 1st of all the Mainstream Media the Corporate Media especially by the local fox affiliate in seattle is making it sound like you know and foxs whole montra is keep all white people scared so theyre showing these radicals with guns and. Lawlessness and theyre extorting and that what is happening people are in and i i watched an interview ranta coned and i watched of the people on social media who are going to the autonomous zone and theyre saying wait a minute theres food none of the businesses are being extorted theres nobody with guns and that actually seeing how the Corporate Media is portraying it is actually radicalizing people there is frontline medical workers e. M. T. Who are going down there say will will will will give us you know medical care. Misses and theres art and its its Pretty Amazing now is this going to be a work for a long term i dont i dont know but what has happened is they were the calls to defund the police seattle has done all of the reforms theyve given cops sensitivity training and all this other stuff and its none of it is work and so theyre just like no and this is you know what its going to take in america you know which is not a representative of the mc and a superior hinting at it here i mean can you scale this thing and that is a really to fundamentally question because depending on the news i. Watch ok i saw the local fox affiliates it was you know. I was disappointed with because they they mocked it instead of telling us whats really going on and i thought that was a disservice to the viewer but speak to the scaling because really what this is all about a setting a precedent can you scale this thing or is it just a block are you going well thats a great question peter i think thats thats what theyre asking in seattle as theyre theyre saying is you know we want we want the people to actually have a say in our government has right now america is a kleptocracy run by oligarchy so and the what we do on than on the National Level is we outspend the next 10 countries on on military we are people of color and we do the same thing locally we outspend i mean like in los angeles where i live the police get 54 percent of the operating budget it was similar in seattle and so i dont know itll be itll be interesting to see i think i think maybe this could work i dont know its a but i dont think it should be mocked i dont think it should be feared i think we should like sit and talk about it and let the let the people actually have a say take a couple of guys figured out a couple 100 years ago and its been completely subverted by corporations and a for profit prison system that needs to criminalize people. The same way the American State Department needs enemies around the world to justify its military budget we need criminals in america its been mainly black people and people of color so everyone saying were nothing they the younger people of this country theyre done theyve had it theyre like were done were done with this and we want to we want to do it our way and. Were going to let you know i mean let me ask you kind of the same question did plenty here i mean is the scale ability of it is really whats really important here but i mean if it came out ideas that we settled on a couple 100 years ago i know is this a Democratic State i mean it is everyone getting in there. Being able to. Add their voice to this here because again im im perfectly agreement with graham here i mean the coverage of it is very skewed the reason why were doing this program because i thought it was so fascinating you know there are reports theres a warlord who used to be a rapper ok now of course that supposed to be disparaging for certain viewers its a fair point though i mean who decides ok again scale go ahead oh i can understand the frustration you know in terms of. The skewed income inequality and extent to which graham refer to. You know oligarchies or click to cross it so i think thats reasonable. I think thats. My concern with this model i believe to see our chance will be gone but it represents something marjorie to some extent it this ng the ice pretty much a cultural revolution i would use the rouge unlikely you know and that would suggest you essentially tear up the roots of your own pos because you believe it will cross your future us also belief that you can build on the all teach you. You know thats how you learn in other words for example statures if you have to ask what history will this. Especially that experience of the. Hospices your guide to ford and also realize how youve been able to prove over the years or you have to especially recognize your students and straw in your own future as are your own boss and it kind of looks like theyre going this direction by announcing their history os traditional culture of this is a necessity to counsel everyone your disagreement urge. As if the problem is even though it is a righteous cost and i do believe that the costs are the price youre sometimes. On this injustice in our society however does this justify this you know are just means to some extent because you know if they do that that goes back to what i said in my introduction and im doing a lot of programs on the protests the looting the ideology awoke ism and it really fundamentally want to just as well the i mean fundamentally you know im not sure how many people in the general audience know it but you know one of the very definitions of the state is it the state i mean gets to its it gives to itself the legitimate use of force graham so i saw and i saw images video of long guns ok i dont know if theyre real but i did see them ok i mean they take their security so seriously apparently well at the same time theres plenty of it is theyre working with the city authorities so its a dual power here grant why you know several things here that when you say you saw images of long guns and i thought seeking you know youre not there im not there so one im very skeptical of those of those images because reason are definitely trying to like oh theres this thug rapper why i know what that is thats saying hey White America it could be scared of blacks or overtaking i saw here in my own city of santa monica where there was looting. I was at the protests i saw the Santa Monica Police department completely oh. And shop and riot gear and guns and then on the c. B. S. Affiliate there just showing this real over and over over of like a dozen young black and coming stealing out of a shoe store and all they talked about was the looting like the looting was was worse then a cop putting his knee on the neck of a guy for 8 minutes and 45 seconds and so i just when i talk to people that there are they are in seattle in the autonomous so it is cool Walking Around with long guns and rappers taking control of it and i just i so right there we all i can you know we got to have the conversation of the people that are they are there and and you know we talk about they stole land well you know all of america is stolen land i mean from indigenous from grant let me go go much neurons dont make it right you know i mean i think its a legitimate its a legitimate thing to ask me where were they given permission to do this that they do this on their own without consulting the people that reside there and its a fair discussion when you want to jump in but we go to the break i just want to say you know i knew the idea that you know this you know state aside has its flaws im just wondering if youre told tear it down and put something in place 20 except we got it better and doesnt cure is where true where does it reveal their legitimacy and Authority Come from because among this womans force. If you say the wrong thing would be violence and now you know the shift just saying that silence is silence and this everything becomes i was accept actual violence against those who dont agree with them so it just seems. I get a lot of the cos i would like to sign up for it. It just doesnt seem clear to it where their legitimacy would come from so far up the hole that there were going to go to a quick break in after our return to new were discussions of the peoples republic of john stay with. Me. We go to work some straight home. Some can fall from middle class to homeless overnight muslim are very hardworking people who want to get ahead that have either have some some Health Issues or have some of the others trick about luck a full time job wont always pay for a place to live and missing just a months rent can get you a victim to gunpoint if anything bad happens to any thing that just throws your budget off slightly. You better catch up real quick or youre going to have a judgment of possession against you and get a ticket by anyone thats homeless is history like garbage people look at you like a monster or someone bad or you chose to be there most of the time its not the case see how it is to be pull in the worlds richest country. Welcome back to crossfire where all things are considered im futile of ultra mind you were discussing the peoples republic of china. Ok graham let me let me go to you were talking about legitimate authority what happens if this economy zone. You know during the night takes 3 more blocks and then or more blocks i mean is is that an aim or are they just trying to from what you know you said youve had contact with are they trying to create a precedent are they top of the or are they demanding a conversation about what legitimate authority should be in america in 2020. I think it has i think it has more and more of that peter its it has its roots in the occupy Movement Part of the occupy movement and and people from the outside the corporate all these people are just sitting around where its their whats their cause about and theyre like the whole system is broke and theyre saying the whole system is broken theyre seeing the fact that they always say in the same way america on the federal level so how are we going to pay for medicare for all but we always have money for war its like how are we going to feel how were going to house the homeless how were going to give people jobs and money for schools we never have money for that but we always have money for Armored Vehicles for the police and and riot gear and i think people are just like were going to sit here in this peaceful autonomous zone and tell when we get the change that we want and not not well window dressing reform except graham you said they have money for you know militarizing the police lets lets talk about who they are and i would say it is you know a liberal elite but our elites that are very comfortable with the status quo did actually come to the realization they dont really need to have the country because hes an annoyance act so we i mean look how this a this so whole recovery ok whos recovering recovering and whos recovered ok and who hasnt at all let me address this that when you know i mean i have the same concerns you have plenty here but listen look at the origins of this i think that theres a lot of lot to bathe in institutions right now and the reaction to the pandemic thats a long story in itself. Who got Concierge Service 1st the richest people on the planet. And now as we speak right now there are members in congress that are worried that 600. 00 unemployment check is true much for people if they i mean i find it really astounding and you know my political convictions here i mean it seems so out of whack i think absolutely against whacking all of these statues down without a communal conversation that is so important to have and because i do believe in grassroots the state level federal not so much ok but about communities and thats why i find this autonomy so im very very interesting youre so glenn i mean this we have a general young and young the Younger Generation thats gone through. 911 its gone through the illegal war in iraq we had. The weve had to pandemic we had a subprime crisis then we had the pandemic now we have the downturn what do these people i mean why should they believe in the system the system doesnt have anything but then its a matter of fact it made them a paper Useless College Degrees where they cant even get a piece in general and now theyre in debt i mean what what why should they join a commune like that go ahead. Yeah well i dont understand i guess why this this is problematic to represented as you know liberals 1st conservatives because the problem is theyre much bipartisan that they want the area were out completely supporting this or. At least ruling class and also what graham largely described as a death of empire through an empire the resources from all the quarter to expand the periphery and at some point it. Begins to crumble infrastructure collapse and it all just gets too great and the military comes back so i can understand why it would be best for us straight obviously at this hour at the same time i think that that Political Polarization has really made you know this much worse because if you look at 1st you would think that this incident with george for the us and it would really unify United States because using the arab league it didnt initially know when i go to nurse lee everyone was outraged. Over actually remarried seem to believe that the killing of george floyd was indefensible and that the Police Needed more accountability and reforms and also it was a shared concern over this increasing inequalities in our people and how many vested interest in status quo will begin to turn a system on his head so it seems like the under the pressure we would all be on the same page however you see on one side on the right you see a chunk coming out with very yep certain actions and rhetoric and then the left this in just as people call for the funding to ollies. Or even disbanded and it altogether or even though theres also this shot incident and a specialist on back end especially yet they dont want to say the wrong thing in what in which people that have to choose between what they see as an irresponsible left or are there are threats that are and right and its yes but. Something very important position or i want i want to. Get it yeah ok ok i think glenn brings up some great points about were saying like how empires react when theyre on their last legs i mean this is reminds me of like what england did in Northern Ireland in the seventys when it was on its last legs and whats happening to and youre bringing up a great point is i think a lot of the people in this and the chaz own and other protests are realizing the Democratic Party hasnt done anything i mean them theyre literally like like in los angeles we have you know a democratic mayor gar city who refuses to call out the brutality of the cops the l. A. P. D. Was shooting people with rubber bullets friends of mine independent media people were being shot with rubber bullets 2 weeks ago and eric are steady big liberal democrat wont do anything jackie lacey who is the District Attorney for the city of los angeles missile is a democrat shes a black woman she wont prosecute a cop at all and there are theyre starting to realize that like the Republican Party is the cop with their knee on the neck and the democrats are the cop standing around letting it happen so thats what a lot of this autonomous zone is getting back to the earlier discussion is like its like were done with the whole system we see the whole systems broken up lets admit to that thats a good point and i think me on t