President of the United States which is all i would choose are our most important ally in the world today and whatever people may say about it whatever those on the left may say about it the United States is a bastion of peace and freedom and has been for most of my lifetime maybe he never noticed us wars killing would be going to splay singh tens of millions amidst the peace and freedom he claims to have witnessed during his lifetime in fact british politicians this week called for action against a government accused of unjust policies about china controlling part of china for a breach of the sunday british that to ration the whole call is just the latest evidence of chinas increasingly rejection of the rules of International Place the communist party of china expresses derision for the wests short termism lack of unity said thats proved wrong that m. P. Stopped short of calling for the bombing of the already u. S. Base surrounded. Peoples republic as you Boris Johnson who nevertheless expanded on u. K. Serious concerns about china when we have serious concerns as a country we must and whether its over the origins of of the protection of our Critical National infrastructure or indeed over what is happening in hong kong then we must feel absolutely free to raise those issues are loud and clear weve beijing and that is what we will continue to do that after johnson confessed to being assigned a file well labor when in power launches catastrophic near liberal wars against countries when it is unhappy about them its leaders a guest star on wednesday they wanted to promote new liberal means tested instead of Universal School lunches during coronavirus one way in which the government could help those worst affected would be to extend the National Found to ski. Because Child Poverty numbers are so high in this country 1300000 children in low income families rely on these foundations fabian children who cant go to school because of coronavirus restrictions still get free meals. The labor government in wales has said it will continue to fund these mills through the summer. Yesterday the education secretary said that wont be the case in england thats just wrong and it will lead to further inequality this from the leader of a party which in government made britain more unequal but given means testing is a fundamentally near liberal and arguably inefficient method of Wealth Redistribution as opposed to universality johnson batted starmer away with a promise oh more money were announced a further 63000000 pounds of local welfare assistance to be used by local authorities discretion to help the most vulnerable families 63000000 pounds for poor children or less than the 10000th of whats being offered to Companies Like john lewis marks and spencer Intercontinental Hotel zone privatized British Airways labors secure starmer there appears to have no problem with bailouts for private multinationals but given he is accused of suppressing a report into racism in his own party the issue of race is arguably difficult for him still he did try the Public Health england report on the disproportionate impact of 90 that report concluded that death rates are higher ups amongst black and asian ethnic groups and it went on to say and this was the important bit today its already clear that relevant guidance and key policies should be adapted to mitigate the risk yes that here starmer whose party currently threatens anyone using social media to leak a report about alleged racism online actually attacking johnson about a report on race johnson said he was responding to the report he commissioned prioritising people of color who disproportionately work in high contact. Caring professions what we are doing 1st most directly is to ensure that those highly contact professions get expanded and targeted testing now and thats what ive agreed with dido harding from n. H. S. A testing trace n. H. S. Testing trace dido harding conservative peer harding has been appointed for this crucial Coronavirus Task after running a phone company that failed to encrypt Customer Data before it was stolen shes also on the board of the jockey club which runs a racecourse accused of catalyzing a spike in covidien march she denies all wrongdoing but while britain is forecast to have one of the worlds worst responses to coronavirus and while statues of racists are felled by protesters pm queues this week began by referencing an internationally reported incident in london tomorrow is the anniversary of a fire in one of the richest places on earth kensington and chelsea seen as emblematic of neo liberalism the whole house would wish to join me in sending our Heartfelt Sympathies and thoughts to the families and friends of the 72 people who lost their lives and to the survivors. Across government we remain committed to ensuring that such a tragedy can never happen again can i join the Prime Minister his comments on the ground from what dreadful night and his coming so much you can read abroad so you can start saying no more than dreadful about one of the was tragic fire as to kill working class people in recent memory before wishing the queens husband a happy Birthday Well joining me now via skype from london is hip hop artist and activist loki who passionately campaigned for justice for the entire Community Around grenfell thanks so much for coming back on the show now you know the tory government has overseen arguably the killing of tens of thousands of people disproportionately people of color why is it so important tomorrow to commemorate what happened to grenfell when 72 people died given how many people have died during the cove an epidemic well there are a few reasons the 1st of them is that gran fell as a state crime is not completely exceptional in british history its something that has a shared lineage with other incidents in fact when we talk about the deaths that have taken place especially in the initial period from cove it 19 we are talking about gross negligence on the part of the state and when we look at the fire in grunfeld we see that comes along a line which has largely been invisible lies by whats happened in the inquiry we have seen the way the regulation never used whereas the legislation that was passed in 1981 by michael has subsided that was opposed by many say this bill will kill he put it this way it would have allowed great selfregulation for corporations and less pesky government interference what happened was 300 or so pages were taken from building regulations and left with. 25. 00 or so also along the way you had to be approved document be added which has within it creative ambiguity which allowed the space for interpretation on the part of companies to install things that are either of limited combustibility or seemingly of worse than limited combustibility in fact the kind of evidence that we have access to such as cell attacks that fit the r. S. 5000. 00 on the ground fell which has turned out to be fatal collaborating and cooperating on how sela techs could break the tests so while on one hand you of course have a virus which you are 4. 00 times more likely to die from if you are a black man you also have the fire Graham Phillips our number one a tower named after Francis Wallace grown fellow who was a officer in the british army an officer in the british army who killed for empire in sudan south africa and egypt but also Danny Dorling found docs and academic professor Danny Dorling those that live above the 4th floor in tower blocks across this country are more likely to be black and ethnic minority they are the majority of those that live about the 4th floor so theres many ways in which the current political moment and grand fell actually come together and you can see those overlaps quite clearly its about Corporate Responsibility but its also about net pro politics and the way that those who are racialized in certain ways seem to be more likely to fall victim to states discretions or state crime obviously we invite Michael Heseltine on to dispute how his legislation may have contributed in all this a densities deny what you are saying in fact my strong and says well have an inquiry later and the government here do. I have an inquiry its going on now you keep talking about corporations we already know that the attorney general when the braverman is saying that the corporations must be indemnified must be immunized from legal action post inquiry what do you make of that why do you think theyre doing that and i should say all the entities deny wrongdoing and certainly the state denies actively trying to kill people of using coronavirus in terms of the inquiry in the way that it is being used to defund the criminal case it has seen companies claim for immunity from that evidence that they put in in for jury inquiry immunity from that evidence being used to prosecute them now theres a huge leap of faith supposedly being taken more big when he says surely the police will already have enough evidence but actually what were seeing is that not only is the inquiry muzzling the press you know i remember being on l b c a year after the fire and i was told by james obrien dont say anything about the companies or say anything about sajid javid because i dont want to be responsible for prejudicing the inquiry and jury that that show i was even accused this is behind the scenes of being right somebody robinson because i wanted to talk about the crimes of corporations so whats people in my community Tony Robinson a well known alleged races i should say to our International Viewers that james our brand hes not me but we do invite him on to stand that up keep Going Forward somebody i knew from the age of 14 years old there were stories that had come out about the relationship between mark allen and such a chevy sajid javid housing minister at the time of graham fell mark allen the technical director of selig tex one of the companies. The r. S. 5000. 00 it was then material they said they missed describe the results of it in a test because it didnt meet the criteria to be limited combustibility i would start i cant speak about that because i might prejudice the inquiry well number one an inquiry doesnt involve a jury so you cant prejudice it and the way in which the community has also been muzzled about speaking about these things these companies have enjoyed an invisibility rarely seen i have to say and i feel with the exception of yourself obviously with the exception of rags martello i. T. V. With the exception of even some work done at sky news and of course the amazing inside housing we have not seen the media take these companies to toss the way they should have 72 people died and nobody knows the names of these companies i know campaigners myself who lost family members who have been blacklisted for the past 3 years able to work they have attempted to get jobs and been told that their name has been flagged why has their name been flagged because theyve gone publicly on the media and said the names of these corporations let me argue something out ship this Stephen Lawrence campaign was infiltrated the Stephen Lawrence campaign was spied upon the Stephen Lawrence family was spied upon upon the surface of it it was a murder that didnt necessarily indict or condemn the state what do you think was mobilized to deal with this community what level what level of surveillance do you think has been mobilized to deal with us here and what has been the main tool to pin us to an orthodoxy which is about sustaining justice well the corporations deny any wrong doing such job and obviously has been fired by a bars johnson apparently Dominic Cummings who knows we have made him on the show look ill stop you there more from nokia after this short break. No crown. No shots. Actually felt. No. Point show your thirst for action. The world is driven by a dream. Thinks. We fear to ask. Welcome back im still here with hip hop artist and activist and ok as to Stephen Lawrence who was mudded we had that inquiry ordered by the government the macpherson report and the government inspector of constabulary appointed Wendy Williams said look this was institutionally ignorant and this was not institutionally racist within the police force of this country so what do you make of institutional ignorance rather than the much more incendiary arguably institutional racism people are having their names children having their names placed on the gangs matrix which is a government database which increases. Surveillance upon those children and is intrusive and Public Sector workers are being encouraged to take part in it for merely being the victims of crime so if your 14 year old who has a problem and suffers you may well then come under the gangs matrix form of surveillance you are far more likely to end up on that if you are black you your 9 times more likely to be stopped by police if you are a black youth ethnic minorities make up 13 percent of the population in this country they might make up 40 percent of the. Of the prison population you are far more likely 70 percent of those in prison are people that have been excluded from schools what are the rates and the likelihood of people being excluded from schools along the lines of race how is it that Something Like that could take place without some form of institutional racism operating so wards certain people who are chelsia say that 200000000 pounds the council theyre saying 300 homes supporting under 94 hours on some grand fell with a home in their home 7 households or remain in private rented accommodation 5 accepted a permanent home to outsource currently being supported look at moving on from granville do you not see that these authorities excuses can be believable i mean the government Boris Johnson served in there was the mass deportation of people of color the the socalled windrush affair the landing cards were destroyed at the home office of immigrant arrival dates could that not just be an innocent mistake what allows your question. So way you can tell as state is attempting to atone for what it has done when we look at the characters who along this sordid tale have played such destructive roles Gavin Barwell who ignored 7 warnings about fire safety prayed to grown far has been rewarded with a place in the house of lords he is guested upon mainstream news as if he is some type of oracle on politics what about amber wright the person personally responsible for the when rush she ran her deportation she resigned but look at where she is and how she is treated in the public space today this is not a person that has been expected to apologize in the tone for what she has done Alastair Campbell was responsible for seemingly filling a dossier to the wants of the Us Intelligence services in order to kill iraqis people racialized as arabs and muslims how is this man treated in the public sphere today is he treated as the pariah as the an ethical operator that he is of course he isnt quite the opposite of that well tony blair as a former Communications Advisor obviously just said it was about bringing Saddam Hussein down but indeed were going to who wants an attacking a program i used to work on we do invade him on the show you mention Intelligence Services what have you made of the fact that u. K. State security for forces are admitting to contracting out instagram and facebook accounts. To something called students are part of a Preventive Program a secret program to encourage well i suppose more woo could debate they were my son well its absolutely the tip of the iceberg and ill be interested to hear what kind of response you get on this from angela davis when thinking that prevent were using her image of course without her. Permission or consent in any way shape or form im a person whos been informed that prevent use my music videos in training sessions i dont know for what purpose and i dont know in what context those videos are being used why is it you would use your videos theres a number of possibilities it could be informing others in the Public Sector and lets not forget that prevent now also applies to the private sector you have people in their Tesco Mcdonalds river island agreeing to take part in the prevent program but possibly its to tell people in the private sector if they catch a young people listening to my music then they may be on the Conveyor Belt towards committing acts of Political Violence now lets not forget that prevent actually applies to children as young as 3 so what that means is that police can question 3 year olds without the presence of their parents merely if that for 3 year old expresses some form of solidarity with the palestinians it is down to personal interpretation of the person working in that role also the justification for prevent is a lot of stuff that generally is covered in the duty of care the equality act in 2010. Its teaches discriminating against people on the basis of their religion or their political belief now what prevent is requiring these people to do is directly go against