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Homeless charity magazine the big issue he has introduced a bill into palm and that aims not only to limit the effects of coronavirus on future generations but to revolutionize society in the manner of climate that is 945. 00 government that suited the creation of the n. H. S. He joins me now via skype from cambridge in england thank you so much for coming back on lord john birt im going to ask you obviously given that you campaigned about the big issue the name of your magazine all your life it seems the government was able to solve the big issue overnight when it came to a pandemic does this mean that all these years it was a political decision to have homelessness in this country. It was a political decision it was a decision made in the late 19th fiftys and the 19th sixtys to instill not allowing people to be on the streets because of the laws which were cool vagrancy laws which were victorian and made it look as though you were being very hard and tough on the poorest people who ended up on the street and so nobody was allowed to sleep rough argues a rough sleeper time so i know all about that what happened was the laws were not changed but people were politically different lives no were not going to bring people off the streets were not going to take them to call rough treatment for begging were going just going to completely ignore it but the problem was they didnt replace it with anything else so what looked like a very liberal well intentioned of look lets not punish the poorest among us they killed them and since then weve had many many deaths on the streets weve had an increasing amount of people on the streets so the obus bill of the any chance has the people with problems of ended up on the streets or mental institutions were closed so that happened children coming out to care in the Community Look who authorities care often ended up in the streets people who served in the armed forces and the producers and what it was was the streets became a place where people said lets just ignore it lets just not actually engage and lead the pandemic some people realize of course that every speck to your position in the social hierarchy the cracking or that if if you are ill. And you could cross on to Something Else so suddenly the government wakes up to the reality that every last one of those human beings who are on the streets are revenge or a vector of Vulnerable Person who could be parsing disease on to a. So. But of course before they found this on so temporarily will get on to what the governments doing those pandemic already preparing to but surely and our lord canteen if you said that to any of the lords of any persuasion labor liberal democrat or conservative they would completely refute it was a political decision what do they tell you none of these labor liberal democrat tories ever said that they deliberately allowed homelessness i dont know as a warning to people to get on their bikes. Well i dont know if it was that kind of on your part it was kind of you if you dont if you dont participate in society and become prosperous then this is what can happen to you but what it was it was the failure of liberalism it was the blindness of shame of so human rights abuse to stop people sleeping on the streets when really the biggest human rights abuse was the elect people on the street and people like me whod been brought sweepers beggars whod been in the prison system all the problem martin problems of modern postwar britain. Are people like me was how i know we shouldnt be allowing people on the streets we should be providing them every party the labor party the conservative party all of the parties have construed to see it as a question of well people should have the right to stay on the streets and i. Would have died on the streets of the young boy and the young men and decided that i wont decided that i would not allow that action. And as you intimate there average life expectancies are horrendous on the streets here in britain but you call it a human rights abuse britain has so often seen fit to want to make other countries in its own image here saying that money for all these war is a country where a parody taking china to task for hong kong there was a there was a mismatch between British Foreign policy and british home bolasie about homelessness. Oh theres been a mismatch since hundreds of years i mean its or isnt it interesting that the government of her wilson was handing over braces to the americans and clearing out people from those Little Islands and so you have these kind of thats her worse in the great socialist so youve always got this kind of we are we are progressive and very apt to rio the seeds and unfortunately many many empires have been like that and britain is no different from the United States and is no different from other countries that have been incredibly were actually in africa or another i mean africa was one of the running souls of modern life because even though these kind of oppressions were happening over 200 years we are still paying the cost of those. Of those come situations i dont want to get to logon to the site to talk about history and because im a im a next im an ex racist guy the next anti semites im the next whatever and when i got out having to go out of poverty and got crime when i got out i started to look very very seriously at the quality of the society that was around me and ive always found it very lacking and the very fact that you know they allow a kind of underclass of people not have a full life is is quite incredible Boris Johnson who certainly the british Prime Minister would certainly refute any. Argument that rough sweeping and homelessness was this political his government has pledged 236000000 for rough sleeping and the question is i suppose what do you make of accusations that his government stripping out any waiting for deprivation out of distributing emergency cash for councils if. We look at the harsh reality the harsh reality is that mr johnsons government was the 1st government to frighten their super lawyers to bring those people indoors now we have to keep those people in goals we cannot decamped back onto the streets and thats one of the person campaigns i got involved in. Once we cope in 19 a curfew it started but the next big thing and this is the one that really frightens me i have dealt with an average of between 2 with private 1000 people here in the United Kingdom nearly 30 years 29 years what im looking at now is probably in the region of 9 haarp a 1000000 people according to the local Government Association a whole 1000000 people you imagine how a 1000000 people and 800000 of those coming and saying i want to sell the big issue so what im doing arent forming alliances and she recession alliance which looks 1st of all banging all objections not the 6 months of the labor party and saying to years until the come we the economy are rewrites or im also calling for the creation of a Great Government Bank which will mark prop the bad leases in the bank. And i and i and and and the mogul just cant be paid what weve got to avoid as people becoming homeless because if you become homeless and your family breaks up then you enter the most expensive part of the british system which is the social intervention system which will cost hundreds of thousands of pounds rather than treat people our home our children and our childrens children will be out on the streets and that will take 50 years to sort out so what weve got to do is keep people in work so we go. To create work for the job creation schemes that we need to work on and we need to work on concrete pool in their homes so theyre not directed unfortunately should say though that what youre proposing is actually quite mainstream in the United States joe biden is supported insurance oh well thats very mainstream. Mainstream aids you can advocate the problem is deliver the radical thing is you can advocate something revolution resort is actually make this government policy and do it with regard to taking over foreign peoples homes and. Such things like those are very very ideological things the problem with ideology is you then immediately set are an enormous amount of energy that goes into fighting the ideological point and having been through many ideological points are can tell you you can use all your energy its a pen or having a disagreement with your landlord and going to court and spending millions of pounds and pointing at the end of the day that neatly you or your landlord or better or so i dont want to turn down the ideological thing i dont want to do that i generally call them and go and play to the galleries what i want to do is do to liberate none of the Political Parties have ever delivered to the poorest among us ok well i think were probably did i was playing to any gallery or john but ill stop you there more from john byrne after this break plus heads we win tails we win we investigate how if youre a billionaire coronaviruses maybe hundreds of millions of dollars even if more than a 100000. 00 of you killed tens of millions are now out of work some of them on american streets frightened by bayonets and u. S. Army divisions played a part in killing millions in vietnam all of them are coming about to going underground. Ah no team no crowd. No shots. Let me stress no the 1st. Point should be your thirst for action. There was a crack seems to do crack when i was a look at my dad he was like a bust i think so you know i got like what i needed when i was a baby boy i had a bad childhood. Theres always playing single mothers and African American Community Service and slavery. I think its more in chinese teenagers having kids and you cant expect a 14 or 15 year old 1st daughter now old enough for him maybe a father and he said check out. We actually lost our place in october my car end up breaking down and i was unable to get to work on time so they let me go and with my paycheck that i bring home i have barely enough to pay my car insurance. Like gas in my car. Welcome back im still here with big issue found a load should those who have just proportionately suffered from coronavirus those in wook i mean you take in low skilled jobs you are a big man road sweeper delivery man should the government compensate those people as a the t. S. S. A union is suggesting for the transport workers and all but state and a chest of. Or d where your going very pleased somebody is thinking along these lines god bless you carry on are cant count very reason im a very simple home educated educated person educated in the streets as a street thug an underclass person who got into the middle classes educated themselves became a socialist and a revolutionary and tried desperately hard to talk about what i know the thing is that theres so much ideological crap going all around at the moment lets show many bradley core ideas but the simple thing is if we can stop people going to and we can give them some kind of work then we have harper 1000000 people screaming to sell the big issue because its the only way to ok well some people have said there is ideology or play the Boris Johnson old etonian school the eton with. Educating is children till september because it is government supported while state School Pupils have to go back to school this month. I mean is your future generations bill does it address education in that way what has been termed a class war in education in this country there are not many people like me who ever get into a position of anybody listening to them and what im saying is what i have observed i went to a Catholic Roman Catholic School after the 2nd world war it was cold at a secondary modern school and what it was was it was a sign of writing off the last parts of the under under the un skilled and the semi skilled working classes and what they did was they dumped those people like rained out the top 11 percent the people the germy call them comes from they took the 11 percent who put them into the into the grammar schools so they created the social divide if you actually look at the history of british Education System 2nd world war what youll see is 35 percent of our children are failed school and because the school. Then take report jobs then the people who took up the enemy if you go into the christian System People like me who filed school ended up in the prison system we are the long term unemployed we are the people who are ill we are people who are the work in corps and it is largely because all of the stuff about whether its the cupboard School System or whether its the comprehensive system or whatever whether its the socialist system or the conservative system every one of those lots of people have been elected down the british unskilled working class and not help them out into a more skilled situation the fact that britain was a closed imperialist nation they thought that what they would do if they were just in this middle class sort of way and colors on the working class these people what was best for them and what was best for them was to lead them to stoop i can introduce you to. Not recovered from the 2nd world war who are now the working poor 3 generations. Well just finally then the future generations will recommence many initiatives former british chancellor George Osborne says we may need austerity in response to this pandemic far from the kind of investment youre talking about we need for the city of london to prosper a huge reduction in our debt to g. D. P. Ratio would you say to those who support our policy. Well mr osborne. Mr osborne other people who are responsible for many many of the. Transgressions that were made in the name of austerity i tend to agree with stiglitz and other people who say that the cost to posterity is greater than what it saved so actually what you have is you have posterity austerity which takes generations and generations the worker austerity is too expensive we cant afford to waste money and what mr osborne should do i dont know i know very little about him ive never met him or i would say is austerity is the worst thing that you can do now we have to do what we did in 19. In order to remain. As an alternative to naziism in europe we had to start spending money could generations and generation so therefore the 2nd world war was not only got to pee probably years on the 2nd world war the last. Second world war and we are going to have to dig deep and borrow and borrow and borrow and get ourselves into a situation where 50 or 60 years time we can sell curried we played with the corona caresses that came in 2020 and mr mr. Mr osborne unfortunately this is what happens when you get people who are in incredibly privileged positions in society like these people were never rich suffer from the results of their the actors to see if their policies never stopped work well we invite George Osborne now an editor like you of a london although your editor of an International Paper hes the editor of a london paper not john thank you. Thank you very much. Well as u. S. Protesters demand justice from an arguable racist capitalist elite from l. A. To new york billionaires with businesses from london to moscow have been allegedly profiteering from the pandemic joining me now but scott from boston is coauthor of the institute for policy studies report billionaire bonanza 2020 wealth windfalls tumbling taxes and pandemic profiteers omar ok thanks so much omar for coming on i know theres been protests in boston im not sure how theyve been there around you but on your report you begin it by saying i billionaires disproportionately impact u. S. Politics culture and the economy itself they have a huge influence over society that one of the things that we said in the report is that inequality in america is a preexisting condition and this statement really reflects the fact that when there are there is a convulsion in the economy or some type of social problem it does not necessarily impact everyone equally at least not at 1st so if fact households and group with the least amount of resources will be often be disproportionately hit will not be able to recover as easily and we saw that and 2008 billionaires are able to recover and exceed their wealth and within a couple of years and that has not been the case for the median household how well have a amazons jeff bezos or stairs those the loan must be bomber shoulder and microsoft how well are they dont have a coronavirus theyve done very well i mean for us the most obvious profits year has been just babies r us his wealth has increased its like its mind boggling and he started off the year with 115000000000. 00 and net worth but when that report was released it was a 140000000000. 00 as of this morning it was close to 150000000000 and so that is like basically a 35. 00. 1000000000. 00 increase within 56 months and that is actually larger than the g. D. P. Of iceland and i think this is because the pandemic is playing to all of amazon strengths. Theyre a Large Corporation they have a massive wealth so they have the resources to weather the initial hit while Small Businesses closed up shop and all this is happening at the expense of worker safety amazon refuses to say how many people are out how many of their workers are sick and they fire those who are concerns so and theyre reversing hazard pay so basis its literally making billions of dollars while risking the last of his workforce and hasnt one other person that you know it has made the news recently is this person a man arness garcia. You know hes someone whos being currently sued by his shareholders for using a coronavirus as a way to do some inside insider training trading and his wealth has increased over 4000000000. March 18th well they all deny wrongdoing jeff bezos then presumably the great his income boost may be personally in World History did you get the coverage in the Washington Post owned by jeff bezos and the report. We have not at least not that ive seen fortunately the coverage. In the print i mean stream press and at least the print media has been really good so weve been in roaders business as side or c. N. N. Have not seen anything on washington im sure its