To discuss this and more im joined by my guess to me bob but you must go hes a political analyst and editor it interests me internet media project and in nicosia we cross the outer sapporo is the director and writer for the duran right gentlemen crossed up rules in effect that means in germany i mean want and i was ok alex let me go to you in nicosia here i mean weve been talking about this now for a few weeks and ive actually changed my mind a number of times in trying to analyze and understand whats going on here obviously the neo liberal order is under threat its being challenged thats very clear but from a number of different trajectory is not always really overlapping. We have an underclass particularly in the United States is a revolt and of course we have the pentagon making the law to add to. And then you have the professional raw material class that in my opinion is using systemic racism and other wolk isms as a cover because they know that the economic and political system is interim extremely unjust and then we have all the other players matter. To what degree theyre really important is still one clear to me but theres certainly being propped up by different elements of the elites and importantly the media so i mean it is kind of a purpose but i dont see a list of demands the only thing that is absolutely clear to me is that the establishment is is worried while for the 2nd time in 10 years we see a massive transfer of wealth to the wealthiest people in the world when up to 2025 percent even more families are food insecure here in the United States so i listed a kind of the macro the big picture here which is your take what. I mean when when i take a look at whats happening right now in the United States i kind of see this as the establishment class the neo liberal elites kind of admitting definitely admitting that they cant be trump at the ballot box especially with with joe biden and i think now that you know even a hillary clinton. You know substitute for joe biden i think is now a reality that she cant wait either so i think theyre coming to the realization that come november at this moment in time they simply cannot be trump. In a vote at the Electoral College they cant win so youre seeing just the extension of russia gate ukraine gate and now youre seeing whats happening with the riots and thats fine you have people going out on the streets and protesting what happened to floyd there is that i dont think anyone has a problem with the peaceful protests but the fact that youre seeing a top down mobilization of rioters getting out to the streets looting using very much very many of the same tactics that we saw in other International Color revolutions one that comes to mind right now to me is ukraine and what happened in ukraine you have all the same players there instead of the right sector you have. You have a lot of the n. G. O. S that you had in ukraine also mobilized in the United States and you have small pockets of protesters who are easily controlled looting and destroying things going after cops you had a lot of the same elements at the might don that youre seeing in various cities in the United States specifically in minneapolis in new york and other in atlanta and other cities around the u. S. So what youre really seeing is a regime change i think theres no doubt about it while there are you could have 2 truths a day at the same time he could have protesters ok and you could have you just heard someone who just nailed it there you can have 2 choices you can have multiple crews that are right through at the same time thats why i think this is so maybe you look at it you know. Its been a minute i think alex is right i mean it at least on a treasury level i mean this is about trump its always about trauma so that you know unfortunately that affects our politics so much because there is something the systemic problems here but it seems to me again right as i said in my opening comments here i think that this is ideology that the really only needs are using it its a false ideology because theyre there they know how to divide. The people that have the most grievances and thats the working class not only people of color obviously a lot of people in the middle in the in the working class are people go there and theyre very very poor so this is kind of conflating it all together because you know. The professional manager they want the status quo the kind of the status quo who bomb over everyone was feeling good you know having wine in the shower and of course trump does a play a role in this but id like to make very clear here what is really significantly done except her quote unquote his bull garrity ok which i dont care about the tweets i care about. Well i basically agree with alex i think a very important expression was used by the regime change what is regime change basically its a civil war in the me sometimes a real civil war like in syria or in ukraine well i mean i just this point its cultural with me im a great i mean thats the origins of this here people are now. Basically it reminds me of the darkest wages in russian history because when their establishment media when they used the same propaganda map thats that they used against kandahar and against Saddam Hussein and in games courts when they started then you are again strong i mean i despise trump he is a despicable character the institution you know the institution of the presidency they well against the institution of the presidency with the same propaganda tools that be used in syria in ukraine in leave there so if youre not russian history how did the Russian Revolution happen lenin said were going to transform the imperialist war into a civil war so are most people basically use the same technology as the instrumentalists against ukraine or against it they use them against against trump inside the United States and the huge danger is theyre drunk we stamp that term this civil war endure an imperialist mind again thats why hes creating all of this quote. You know hes trying to again deflect attention and jones that anger against china. Why mine just to make it very clear are the best i people are this was written by guardian. Let me just use narrative because hes absolutely right that the dangerous thing here is not a person you know its not a bomb or by them who are the devils its the narrative that. So let me just quote you. They say the media they just spent the majority of the last 4 years greek and promote your nonofficial narrative which costs more the americans White Supremacy who literally elect a president and who wanted to become king to the races. This narrative which has been relentless need so many by the Corporate Media the russians donald trump and all of this with those d. N. C. Emails they never actually crack and some division so we ats that supports the black americans in refusing to come out and vote for clinton so who can perfectly all or at least rosalee. To destroy you they wont receive and now these people out on the court and all of these people are supporting looting and the socalled protest which you needed to transform themselves into wooden and violence you know they support it simply you know it to undermine trop so definitely use the carpets their own bain capital kind of agreed best if you could both of you at the same time youre you know its a game yeah it is focused on trial but the danger is here to take out trump as it were if youre good youre going to create institutional damage because i dont think they want a grand transformation just the opposite they want to have joe biden nothing more significantly changed but this course by trying to take trump out does incur massive institutional damage i mean they want all at the same time you cant have oh ok so i mean at i think they do want to keep the institutions that they had under bush under Clinton Bush Obama internet became rich yeah they want that for example they want that war machine intact they want the globalism intact they want the manufacturing thats that has left the united. States they want that to continue so they do want the institutions the wall street intact and im not saying that trump doesnt support those very same institutions im not saying that but in their mind in their mind trump is aiming to break those institutions down or at least replace the people at those institutions with other people for them thats a direct threat so i do think that you know they do want to keep their stations attacked but they are willing to sacrifice the United States constitution if they have to i mean. With that game and make it also i will im i would say theyre willing to sacrifice a good part of the country in the process here see theres no nobility in what theyre thinking about you know this is all about systemic racism its about you already in a week thats all nonsense i dont think thats their propaganda that c. N. N. And this mc always are pushing but it has nothing to do with any of those things do you want to jump in now well im not sure you can read it all these institutions you know the war machine which destroyed media which is destroying ukraine and which destroying syrias not only. Is completely. They are destroying institutions because the presidency is an institution and basically a very democratic one they are destroying the well you see if you want there the strength of the evidence of american society. People. You know that has been around her when doing that yes but if you make it again i kind of want to stay with the here and now here i mean theyre willing to say this is not looting its mostly peaceful and all that because it has a direct political impact ok again it seems to me that the worst the better without destroying the entire thing because thats how theyve been able to be so successful here when i think just so extreme. Mary is the lanes that they were willing to destroy our political discourse our legal system our institutions everything thats just. This is you know the throw the dice keep going so well that well i mean just these are you know orange wests you know yeah well thats you know bronze you remember how they went against the why it was the yellow west florida east monell the rule. With. Not know how they are supporting the socalled uprising and again and you know. These socalled rebellion you know we started a couple of model to. Ruthlessly by the groups these 3000000 class module into what they call an International Uprising she had won by the Corporate Media and liberal establishment i mean what really is disgusting here is this double standard the yellowest bat but you know the people who are saying trump is a fascist there you have it on right now that gentleman here we have got a heart breaking out about our break and continue our discussion and a newbie our new ideology religion in american. 54 jets and more than 1300 military personnel are headed to air force base in alaska where is that to say come on ill show you whats the reason for any type of enhanced u. S. Military presence in this area rush up. What is it suddenly about the South China Sea that makes it so that it 11000000000 barrels of oil. 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Ok alex let me go back to you i mean if if if we were told by the Mainstream Media were told by left wing groups and ideologues in this is obviously a great opportunity for them in so many different ways clicks ok their bottom line i mean you and me at c. N. N. Is actually doing well for the 1st time in 19 years ok they know how to play a crisis but you know if theyre if theyre so determined to change the face of american politics the tone in the tenor and why the packing joe biden i mean i mean with his. Bills and his record with supporting the police and the and military interventions around the world i mean its really quite hollow isnt it because they made sure thered be no change in the Democratic Party because after they got rid of bernie ok i mean i guess that seems so hollow to me and so empty and in going through this regime change process which i think i think as appropriate you said if were getting about the real pain that so many people in the country have its its you know its like bulldog squabbling under a carpet you know i mean its these elites that are doing so well i mean biden is the ultimate empty vessel i mean all hes going to do is just continue with the obama the 8 years under obama the bush era and the clinton era so for them biden is the perfect president and it goes back to the destroying of this the 2 shoes i agree with that the presidency is absolutely the ultimate Democratic Institutions the ultimate expression of democracy if you have a bite in winning then yes it is democracy if we have trouble you have to tear it down. Thats the way they see things its always a binary with them and you also see it on the streets its a binary these riots are a binary youre either with us and youre ideologically pure or if youre not youre racist youre White Supremacists in ukraine peter in ukraine they supported real not fake not imaginary real neo nazi neo nazi white supremacist real the real deal not this fake stuff that theyre pushing in the us media these guys were the real deal they were violence they were damn violence and who supported them who supported them oh brock obama didnt show Biden Joe Biden was running the country pretty much by supporting them so i mean theres no you know theres no virtue in any of this and they did they want to do it its ok but i was going to say but this isnt about ideology its always about power because theyve waited with the way they are of framing this ideology its just a vehicle for power it has nothing to do with balance finish. Well id rather you do it if you want and its back palosi want power back. Yes i think x. Is exactly right when he used the war white supremacist im our green and nazis and i just wanted to explain it to all of europes or the ukrainian nationalists its boggled their rates just now if you want discourse is that russians are not slavs russian side descendants or dadar you know you hope now not europe you know were the ukrainians where you are slavs were blown and so these kind or who or it may seem very strange to americans you know russians are white and opinions are white but racism is not into our racism is about this you know hierarchy that you built you know europeans europeans there about all there are russians in ukraine because youre pretty and say that we are europeans all of which means to hold to europe and this is a very dangerous edge if you are very dangerous or a little bit of a team of a team at but claim that using that rhetoric all its doing is that it is the vibe in the polity in ukraine name thats what they want to do case its a means to power because they cant win power on their economic success they can they can do it on anything up i mean this is a well tried endeavor here to always use the race card to bite people but it doesnt if it doesnt solve real racism and then were going to announce here i mean all of this alluding. Taking and me which i find really a horror and here how does any of that change systemic racism it just purchasing out what was in private part the person that said Andrew Breitbart did he say that culture is downstream from from politics im sorry politics is downstream from culture right i mean thats the whole point over the past 1020 years theyve been dismantling. The culture of the west and take the United States theyve just been dismantling the family theyve been dismantling marriage theyve been taking down physically taking down statues historical statues gender right theyve disappeared theyve been dismantling gender so all of this should be seen in just the vacuum of the last 2 weeks this is been a progression this ideology and now weve reached the end weve reached the end of this or maybe the beginning of this new religion actually which is peter take any kneel before the mob kneel before your new god so for the managers i understand the exercise and the intent but it doesnt solve anything its not meant to solve its meant its meant to tear down thats thats how i look at its not meant to solve a problem its meant to to rebuild this new utopia this new utopia is not going to be built in in god we trust thats out the window. Thats out the window we the people in god we trust if you do these are new thinking this is i think you are not a Silicon Valley out of these you know billionaires that have this new idea this jury and humanist idea you know the irony of all that is a said you want to quote unquote you really are one demagogue and replace it with a group of demagogues ok i mean if were not going to have the rule of law were not going to have a constitutional and i would legal precedent. Then what do you have dinner with you have here is you have a not a utopia. A disco here ok this isnt a nightmare scenario rich and you know what i guess im the one that goes but i dont see how middle class people working people benefit notice you had bhima well i just wanted all of you are stunned to stand that we are not against a real left isnt here there is not athan rule on about real leftism there is nothing wrong about fighting racism the problem is that fighting racism is be an instrumental ice now by the people who just wont do it giving them my strong and present everyone who disagrees with the socalled