Truthdig and later in the show not only mcgill will also show us the Hidden History of the pledge of allegiance but 1st heres my talk with legendary journalist Robert ScheerRobert Scheer its an honor to have you on the show. Great to be here yet youve added a truly legendary career as a journalist ramparts magazine and the l. A. Times the nation truthdig radio shows they have saved a lot over the years in some ways theyre actually fewer gatekeepers then when you started and you know anyone can post articles online and ostensibly get them seen by the world but on the other hand the Mainstream Media is now owned by just a handful of massive corporations how do you feel journalism and news media have changed over the course of your career is it better or worse we should not under and underestimate the worse at least there used to be something about attracting eyeballs or having readers and so when i was at the l a times it wasnt easy to fire me because there were lots of people want to read me so there was a marketplace restraint that is gone now they dont need eyeballs with you targeted advertising with the surveillance that is the norm to the internet they can get all the readers of the New York Times without putting an ad in the New York Times so the Business Model is broken and its just become a playground for the rich or for people who want to influence opinion they can buy the soul trash and newspapers and so thats thats the bad part of it theres absolutely no free market restraint there is nothing of that sort on the other hand as long as we have Net Neutrality the very instrument that killed journalism is a model the internet is also quite liberating and that you know i did actually take i now i have sure posts and im able to interview you for example at and the modern Technology Gives us a lot of voices out there which is why they want to smash Net Neutrality and centrist thing everybody talks about comcast and imus n. B. C. And these ownerships as if they have no politics but the fact is. You know the other people dont want the action that to be free they dont like to cop this unit and it hurts their profit model but right now we have a great opportunity to talk to reach people to question and you know so it does the best and worst of all times yeah its. The model that the trial has had in mind for a free press which i would remind you when they wrote that into the constitution you didnt have to have a lot of money to be oppressed you didnt have to be a white guy probably with some means that you could get in the printer driver is your wall posts or your pants what like you know tom paine he was a wild radical right but you know he could get he had an affair with a printers wife and i think it is well thats what happened well well your your journalism has as good as a shining star in a lot of big moments you know youre against the iraq war from the start and continue to put forward the crazy idea that there were no weapons of mass destruction there and more recently your previous outlet truthdig was one of the few progressive outlets to stand up against rush again hysteria and question the the mainstream Neil Mccarthy s narrative which has now completely collapsed how hard is it to push back against the narrative when it when you really the entire National Security state and there stood og refers in the Corporate Media are trumpeting that viewpoint nonstop. Well theyre going to lose you know because its totally irrational and now it is shifting the china putin doesnt make a good target and so hard to do red baiting without a read you know and then you buy just was reading the i need to view a lot of people in russia i was there for the l. A. Times when gorbachev was there and i reviewed his book on perestroika from moscow news and from the l. A. Times and you know that was the end of russian communism in full came in as a basically whatever his background everybody or russia had something to do with the r. T. But the fact is he came from the leningrad group and he was a reformer and he was the choice i was there at and they hes the one day position and everybody forgets who ran and is the one who defeats the communist party that remains and russia is an anticommunist is you going to brace the what the docs religion and so forth so he makes a lousy enemy china. Is still a communist country you know and so is vietnam by the way by a communist party but date as opposed to our image of communism as an International Conspiracy they are quite nationalistic and as a result there theres tension between that so well now putin has decided not to. You know trump has decided to take on china because russia is not a good enough target in the discontinuous is the establishment because we need china as the factory floor for the world and so forth and so its very confusing and hes seized upon this a pandemic as an excuse for having a new kind of red baiting waynes actually got a red its got a communist party the trouble with from yunus our better recap what it was and then we are and the really shocking thing of this damage is that they have organized more effectively to deal with it and take care of their people and just about everybody in the world has done better than american capitalism in. The liberal Health Service taking care of the population we have the worst record right now and thats a bank black mark against our system and the idea that we were arguing about medicare for all and Bernie Sanders very Reasonable Health Care things now seems absurd when you have at the center of the most advanced medical system in america new york you have the center of this vast tragedy so i think this is a great teaching moment and the folly of the new cold war is it didnt have sense when you didnt have wrestle who is certainly makes no sense when you have these communist capitals in china who are better at doing capitalism then we are yeah and you know unless people forget the pivot towards asia go really against asia started under obama because they were fearing you know chinas economic influence and and theyre gaming the gaming on us 59000. 00 americans for just have memorial day die supposedly stopping communism than vietnam and we wasted you know we killed what between 4 and 5000000 indochinese people ok were killed in that war and what happened we loss and that war the most ignominious defeat and communist china communist vietnam went to war and it invaded said now who i am right now when if there is talk about getting apple out of china or dead American Companies they dont want to go to communist vietnam so these labels for a server back then theyre absolutely not so now what he was describing you know and ill give you one little anecdote when i interviewed when i reviewed gorbachev smoke in moscow from moscow news i quoted from the communist manifesto where karl marx wrote that praising capitalism dragging in the ne a syrah life and building these great cities and so forth and hugo yakovlev a great honor to this city to have to so that i said give me your communist manifesto he didnt have one so i had to run around moscow i found one. Trench i ran back and jill meagher who in the time you spend here it is you know so much. You mentioned the vietnam war i heard a horrifying statistic the other day that the Vietnam Memorial wall is. A few 100 feet long because its got every every american who died in the vietnam war if it were actually included all the names of the vietnamese who died in the vietnam war in our vietnam war then it would be 4 miles or so long. Miles Something Like that man is several miles long but instead is just a few 100 feet because we only include the americans but i wanted to you know i want to talk about i dont want to run out of time i want to mention that you have interviewed every president from Richard Nixon all the way through bill clinton and it seems like every 4 years we end up in these this crazy lesser of 2 evil debate that just seems endless i mean right now were literally deciding between a and old rich white man with racist policies and Sexual Assault allegations against him and donald trump i mean they have a lot in common trump and biden and i just want your thoughts on this this lesser than 2 evils debate we end up in every 4 years. Momus girls married to the red baiting that became the big cop out for the Democratic Party the fact is its a 1st of all donald trump was a creation of the establishment ok you know im new to Mainstream Television everything i didnt go to get invited to his wedding Hillary Clinton and bill clinton went to his wedding and you know so he was considered you know just fine back there you know and and what happened was he built up a right wing demagogic position which basically involves racism and baiting the only people that really work hard all the time in our country which are undocumented workers just as nick bashing as an excuse to protect dominant capital and the really powerful rich people who created the housing meltdown for example it was all done to wall street and it was down through the deregulation of bill clinton going along with the republicans ending the new deal restraints on wall street i wrote a book called the Great American stock up its all in there and so what happened is that when hillary ran she couldnt define herself as a populist what you needed which is what you have been very sad those are Elizabeth Warren and he said she tried to say we have no problems its just these deplorable is going to trump and will notice a lot of pain in america and effects one people also a lot of them went for trump and also by the way affected brown and black people much more of the great victims of bill clintons deregulation was very well for example with Federal Reserve tells us that College Educated black people know a 70 percent of their wealth not their annual income you know whoa wealth and brown people lost 60 percent they lost their homes they were sold a sucker mortgages and everything but you know heres what id say you know if you dont accept me youre not youre not a black person but the real issue was a new misread baby and thats why our early discussion is relevant because senator Hillary Clinton is saying look i. Ive got to disagree with my husbands fall cs even though i was there ive got to as you know even challenge obamas policies because what did obama do he bailed out wall street didnt have a moratorium on foreclosures he didnt help people stay in their own so he took all of that money and gave her a tsunami and what did Hillary Clinton why was she very angry with Julian Assange anjan Edward Snowden what did you and sometimes reveal he revealed what she said member Bernie Sanders said you must be given some great speeches for 3 quarters of a 1000000. 00 you know 20 minute speeches each and and we now know thanks to a claim is that Julian Assange and gave us that material through wiki leaks to learn sitting there with Lloyd Blankfein one of the architects of the whole wall street us all she says you guys are so smart you have to come with me to washington to fix these economic problems and thats what was revealed in the knesset the heart of russia that is it you know what were the big c. Rist a big influence had nothing to do with numbers and not in the provinces and screwing around the internet it had to do with real it revealing up to a desk that who was up to his eyeballs in all this stuff was out to attack bernie and undermine him and it revealed the content of Hillary Clintons shameless speeches to wall street where she defended and she said you had a smart guy youll know how to fix this problem will donald trump was running on the pain of ordinary americans who had lost their houses who weve had no improvement of income equality and since clinton was president in a little bit at time we have a lot of suffering out there for all people why brown black male female what have you Hillary Clinton was tone deaf she did not address it a said went for the big money from wall street was there darling and as a result disinterested noble populist this tohu we just a trunk could pose as a populous used to right wing rhetoric and actually you know do some. I mean nobody expected go to actually when you can argue about the electoral vote this thing that the amazing thing is that this guy was able to repopulate and it was because we didnt have a progressive alternative were going to go d a populist progressive alternative and once again they theyre united to destroy granny who you know what everybody against democratic socialism which they hung around its neck you know thats supposed to be the opposite of the communist model you know most of the people who ran western europe and brought it to prosperity whether it was really brought or any of these people were democratic socialists and yet somehow the Democratic Party are united around making democratic socialism an ugly term well new new deal of Franklin Roosevelt was democratic socialism all the sand this is. The bronx f. D. R. Franklin Delano Roosevelt was our hero and all we never wanted to do was bring back the spirit of franklin Delano Roosevelt and the democratic stablish we didnt want to hear a word its true to go to a short break but check out my Award Winning up podcast common sense or and my new book bullet points and punch lines you can get it at least camp book dot com ill be right back a lot more. To. The spiral downwards depending on who you believe in the media the civil unrest in america is the result of systematic racism this explains protest and writing but doesnt the commanding heights controlling the Financial System media and the Business World are those 2 images fix the economy stupid for them great. Financial bloodshot eyes cause problems here. The 5 of us unless some of my ex from the future crocker kaiser. According to several sources felice in the United States chose from 2 to 4 people every day. Had his fans. We said i was there when. One of my being arrested for a response from enough. Is just their little world to establish they developed just us against them. Along comes sure 2525. I would have to shoot someone. There is a corruption inside of the police well theyve been told. We go to work so straight home. Welcome back im still lee camp without further ado the rest of my interview with journalist and author Robert Scheer you wrote an outstanding book titled the pornography of power that really breaks down the military Industrial Complex and how it turned into the runaway monster that it now is you know the stated budget of our military is over 730000000000 die. Alors thats the stated budget not even the black budget and that accounts for 40 percent of Global Military spending one country is 40 percent of the military spending in the world do you see any difference between the 2 parties on that front end and what will it take to slow or stop the gravitational pull of this mass murder machine. Ok well listen probably destroy what remains of my career. Iraq among them arent me and im going to say a kind word about trunk and that mix trust me i know its a trumpet and. I you know i live in california where we are totally dependent upon the best group in our entire population were just people who come from mexico crystal they deem a cop as laura serato sent i didnt cross the border the border crossed me so we are actually living in what should be mexico and thanks we have this incredibly productive population that does everything raises the kids does the work that it does everything there is no you cant have a day without a Mexican American or mexican or of some emigrant clearly on every level but the fact of matter is he played the racist neofascist card hes very dangerous im not going to minimize that the road the truck is going down is one of religious hatred racism its a strax people at least some guzzle i would mean by neo fascists is an extremely dangerous model why do way it works and im not going to do german baiting here is follows from germany because so was mine and it took the most advanced civilized educated population down the path of the greatest barbarism of modern history so we know where fascism goes at it but the problem is you cant defeat it by denying that there are problems that thats the whole issue and when you look at what the democrats want to get messed with by and if they put another biden type person in the Vice President my goodness you know maybe if they did Elizabeth Warren or bernie you know at least say ok theres some little checks here but the fact in bar is joe biden has stood for imus goes back to your point about the military budget hes going for the biggest military budget and id least i dont trump has question you know. Efficacy of all of his military spending you know so what you need is a big enemy and the r