A lot of these occupations then protests and rallies are really happening organically and its. Led by community and its very grassroots so im just part of the organization thats been responsible so that means on the ground but i dont what the prime it is that there is a centralized leadership thats guiding whats happening on the ground because thats not the case last week. Minneapolis president africanamerican male by the name of george floyd went to his local Neighborhood Grocery store to purchase some items and as he was walking up the store Police Officers approached him and immediately threw him onto that ground and then proceeded to. Place one part where our. Presence of plays his knee on georges neck for about 10 minutes which george its higher time pleading for his life saying i cant breathe in calling for a mob saying you know i cant breathe i need you to let off my neck and mind you dozens of Community Residents were filming that happen so we watched by minute minute by minute as the life was stripped from george floor its body and next thing you know we have in our local media saying that george died as a result of a medical incident where you clearly see a Police Officer sobbing and murdering help well why do you think very cool to parents has been postponed this week and the Minnesota Attorney general Keith Ellison saying he doesnt want to rush to investigate the 3 of the Police Officers who stood silently by as joe in a part of the committed 3rd degree murder and 2nd degree manslaughter. I think its. It looks eyes just how incompetent our political leaders are in this moment how disconnected and dismissal they are or of of the uprisings being led by black and brown youth by black community almost Diverse Communities are coming through minneapolis in our working class communities and organizing in saying that no not yet you still have only arrest and charge and a 3rd degree murder charge and you can ignore arresting the other 3 officers thats been involved and then you wait suppose pole. The the trial of the that he murder people are demanding that all 4 officers be charged and become a victim and theres evidence why do you need to do our draw now investigation that we know time and time again yields to. Acquittals we should be prepping for a trial that yields a good shit and incarceration of all 4 officers that involve well speaking about political leaders and of course this in the context of the usa apparently under all the martial law ironically joe biden seems to be making capital for his president ial Campaign Given the democrat president ial candidate supported segregation and spearheaded mass incarceration of people of color. Yeah joe biden president ial nominee joe biden has been entrenched with both Political Party as well as the big Business Class that basically reinforces the need for massive policing of black and brown communities as you are already highlighting biden has been part alone history of criminalizing black and brown folks thats been a cork aspect of his political career has been finding ways so exploiting incarcerate in hard black and brown folks a yes hes here in this terrible it will moment moment thing black people trust me to be your president and to work on your behalf folks are right now politically desperate folks realize that. We might not be ever to survive another 4 years and when we say we like elect we black or brown folks and working class and poor folks might not be able to make it through another 4 years of a trout administration that is the reality that africanamericans are facing in everything but to make a choice between the lesser of 2 evils course buckeyes my as a began after Police Killing under the Obama Presidency obama proudly making documentaries for netflix you mentioned the big business cluster capitalist multinationals are you happy on the ground there in minneapolis being supported by multinationals like Disney Netflix and others who are tweeting their support for the george floyd protest as. Thats contradictory i think i can even localize that for our context right now target which is a multibillion Dollar Corporation that was founded in 20 cities has also tweeted in support of the uprising thats happening on the ground and yet oh my they were also one of the corporations that has been repeatedly charged with committing waged against us hourly workers which are typically black and brown folks so the question is that these corporations if youre really supportive of black and brown lives why dont you pay them livable wages why dont you provide no job security why dont you allow them to unionize instead of costly busting their efforts to join unions so that they can be able to not negotiate for better pay if you really care about those lies why are you so keen on protecting systems that allow them to be what its a be harm it specially this Target Corporation here they had a partnership in contract with many apples Police Departments well where they brought Police Officers in to figure out to try out new surveillance techniques where they would try to you know capture black and brown shoplifters they dont pay property taxes you ok workers what they deserve do that 1st that there was talk about supporting the movement well those corporations deny racism talk giving the working class and all these multinationals designed any illegality when it comes to that tax practices just on the ground there Amnesty International the ngo is. The britain should immediately freeze its export of rubber bullets and tear gas to the United States which are part of the amnesty says is british law what is the use of rubber bullets and tear gas that you witnessed during these protests all of those weapons have been used on local and peaceful protests there so yes the working class or socialist. Personal and as a social act activists we what encourage more countries to eliminate access to these weapons which our local military military forces and Police Forces are using on Peaceful Protesters if people of color use their constitutional right to carry weapons like those a white protest is complimented by President Trump for demonstrating for hakka joining coronavirus which is killed more than a 100000. 00 in your country what do you think would happen to them if we are already had. I had higher war effort structure right now where you have a militarized police force galvanizing around our city for an armed protesters right now just off the fact that there are black. And these folks have no weapons could you imagine what would happen if folks were really armed i dont know if you know about the case where. Historically our state has launched deadly attacks through book form the bombing on black and brown communities when they let massive civil unrest i can anticipate that that would not be something that would be off the table for our state leaders to say we are going to do even more Excessive Force just the subdue the uprising against unjust system so yes every community should have every right to defend themselves and we have to mute the defense the mideast but yes you can imagine that there would be all out war that the state launched against black and brown Peaceful Protesters if they decided to massively arm themselves but that is not the point were at we are really have that happening when folks just have in their bodies no weapons we have both been shot at were rubber bullets yes were just sitting on the sidelines or caring for injured protesters we have a civil war right now in minneapolis between the state our police force and the working class and black and Brown Community something that i want to clarify in terms of playing the murder george ploy what i mean lee happened was there was a protest car by several several rights organizations. To have folks meet up at the site of the murder and neck protests well to about 20000. 00 folks probably the largest antipolice groups however the march definitely in minnesota and maybe in the in the u. S. And after the protests started their folks were moved to go to the 3rd precinct polling station where the murderers worked at and over the span of several days you had massive protests there were basically directing their anger their. Fireball anger and frustration at the physical. Building itself the Police Station build it folks turned over cards they damaged windows all of those were rocks not that we pulled out nods or nothing and that was led by black and brown but black and route you know Civil Rights Group came in. Less doing this no one was able to manage or pacify the uprising that was starts a board out on the ground and initially rippled out throughout the city that didnt result in damages to corporate businesses to banks these are all corporate forces that costly and exploit our communities on a day to day basis. In both fires being that it was clear that this was something therefore we couldnt just have go back to the usual of you also might i kill less of a process and then less trust our Civic Leaders or our manage your class activists to lobby with the Political Class or not be have about a moderate and bare minimum reforms so that has really been sustaining pressures on our political and Business Class to really reposition themselves that they may we need to divest from the police state so over we have had a sustained uprising that has brought in so many folks from all across the cities all across the country working class black or brown folks who are trying to figure out how to really. Dismantle our states cash mit partnership with the police force who are really challenging a core aspect of racial capitalism at this moment and its beautiful to bear witness to that hopefully in this moment were creating our turn it up to our policing work rayna our target to. A system of racial last capitalism that we know in light of color is. Well and its particularly moment we know that the system can last the standards or be able to meet our basic necessities because its to focus our preserving the interests and needs of the Business Class and as long as you have a system that is beholden to the business working class and black or brown both were always not be afterguard and were always going to be treated as expendable so it was like great to have that rubber ones i thank you. Yes after the break as iranian ships to liberate to venezuela was venezuelas foreign minister right when he claimed on this program that washington may soon no longer be able to call the shots in the western hemisphere as the e. U. U. S. And u. K. Seek to topple president Nicolas Maduro we speak to one of his long time critics economist Francisco Rodriguez all the same all coming up but you have going on the ground. Ah no team no crowd. No shots no. Action just felt. You know lets track no 1st. Point should your thirst for action. You cannot be bold with the yeah you like. To. Welcome back on sundays going underground while the exclusive interview with venezuelan foreign minister what harry outside made multiple allegations of getting u. S. Sanctions are directly linked to the plight of millions of venezuelans leaving the country he also claimed the bank of england was responsible for the fact of faffed of funds knee. Aided by the venezuelan people to pay for supplies in a time of coronavirus u. K. Pm Boris Johnson called developing a postcoup unit in the British Foreign office and actually invited one guy to downing street theyre recognized as president of venezuela by the e. U. U. K. And usa arietta said going to go has no Democratic Authority joining me now via skype from new york is a former advisor to venezuela president ial candidate only falcone who ran against president during 2800 hes also the founder and director of oil for venezuela president so much for coming on to as i say told us on saturday u. S. Sanctions of cripple the economy forcing some to leave the country do you do agree with that i think sanctions have definitely have a negative effect on the thats an economy thats undeniable not to attribute the primary responsibility of whats happening to their soil or to the economic sanctions that think its going a bit overboard are the realities that this country has been seriously mismanage for more than 20 years this country underwent a huge oil boom the largest possible terms of trade shock experienced by any country in the region was experienced by this fellow between 199920138 squandered all of it had absolutely no savings left us so now the countries actually seeking help either from economies like irans were which have also been sanctioned but which have been able to manage through our be a greece of the oil market much better than it had been so that this isnt going to say. Those who support the bolivarian revolution say that it was the greatest Literacy Program in World History this is what youre talking about a squandering ive got to ask you because i think i wrote and i wrote an article that was published in a peer review journal are showing that the claims of the Literacy Program were vastly exaggerated and that if that the increase in literacy it was not different after you cant order temporal trends then you are the increase that was happening in the preacher up experience and area itself so. Made the allegation that the un figure a 4 and a half 1000000 fleeing venezuela was wrong he said it was far less than that you know along with the un figure yes naturally i think that somewhere underestimated in fact my figures point to numbers which already close to 6000000 persons and the reality is that those numbers are for a large part drawn on our household surveys taken in neighboring countries and if anything this might actually underestimate the amount of and so on migration because theres irregular migration is inadequate be countered by those surveys about to return to the issue of sanctions i must say i mean i well the definitely the moderates how is governments did a lot of harm to the economy sanctions are also harming the economy significantly and if that some of my in purple work shows that sanctions are associated with a decline of Oil Production equivalent to and to raise prices more than 10000000000. 00 a foregone more revenue that this is a lot of money for a country like that its all that and its and these sanctions have been tightened this year so i do agree that sanctions are contributing to better sauce decline and i do agree that sanctions are fueling the exodus are i would dispute any assertion that they are the primary costs so ive got to ask you about the socalled bay of piglets coup attempt by an apparent florida based mercenary firm what was your reaction and what do you make of mike pompei oh u. S. Secretary of state saying the usa had no direct involvement in the coup in may well ive learned over time to treat the type of statements very carefully and to read between the lines so if secretary pompeo felt that need to use the word direct then i think that that strongly suggest that there were some in the wreck and the involvement given that day is that the contract for that operation was signed by 2 or one by those top advisers and theyve admitted. For their signature as they are the equivalent of cabinet level position assad that are held by these 2 persons or that were held in the by the administration then it seems hard for me to believe that the us was not informed d us this in the dark but not know about this not only that but the contract that should be untied all of these mercenaries to take actions which are clearly are unconstitutional and by a lead International Law such as the use of land mines such as effectively imprisoning bets on citizens even gave them a take a return on the assets that they would recover so from every single stamp want to think that their contract this objectionable and i hope that at some moment in the vents on the National Assembly is able to carry out a full investigation asked was demanded by one of the opposition parties be that it was the shia a full investigation to understand who exactly the way the administration was in balkan here are and what was the level of commitment made to these mercenaries but i definitely are completely condemn that action by allowed to journey on why do completely denies he has anything to do with the coup attempts at it has no relationship nor responsibility for illegal actions the you suggested that of course one way though is recognized by Boris Johnson as the leader of Venice Whaler do you recognize him as the leader of venezuela or like the European Union doesnt and washington does well i mean im not a government so you know governments do have to go through this the system while of who of who to recognize on i believe were in a constitutional crisis and its not clear at this moment how d do we now wish the function of the constitution i believe that the constitution is not working i do not recognize Nicolas Maduro i believe it was a legitimately elected as you mention i had bison report on it this Electoral Campaign we accus