Emmy winning legal journalist former prosecutor and he joins us from atlanta thanks very much for being with us laurie good to see you all right Legal Protection for consumers or workers for example can a business terminate a worker when they reopen and a worker is fearful for his help and doesnt come into work. This is i mean we are opening up pandoras box of issues with all this larry this is going to be so difficult to ferret through because everyone is concerned about liability right and everyones concerned about rock and eye opening and if someones not coming in how do i get my business to run if employees more come in but the employees concerned about their own health i think are an unchartered waters here larry because Everything Else that is happening and you talk about government shutdowns emergency orders things are moving so quickly it always takes our legal system time to catch up and i dont think we know how its going to turn out i think women have these issues got to have that and we have we have no president right nothing there or that this is never happened before and you know business is one of on and you know they want to keep their employee safe but everyones going to have a different level of sensitivity as to what is safe and what is not and thats really a question of fact right people can debate it people will not agree to it experts will disagree about whether it is or is not safe were reasonable to go back to work but thats ultimately the Legal Standard is are people acting reasonably and when youve got smart people disagreeing about what is and is not reasonable its going to end up in a lawsuit its going to end up in a court room another aspect of churches suing to be able to gather on sunday. Yes this one and that there are breaking it into the 1st amendment larry which is the ultimate lout of the land and this is this is extremely difficult because any time you infringe on a constitutional right especially number one right a freedom of religion freedom to assemble youve got to strictly construe strictly right and narrowly right any law or rule or ordinance that you are going to put out there that has to be the least restrictive possible because any infringement on a constitutional right is is crossing a line that you dont run across unless you absolutely have to do so the analysis will be was there did they did they go too far was there a way to stay safe and reasonable but still not completely block people from exercising a constitutional right again were in unchartered great area but this one im leaning a little bit more towards the constitution that i am some of these governors get a business or an individual should china where you can sure can you get a can you get a lawsuit and can you go forward with it i think theyre going to try i think there will be lawsuits against china to 2 problems right one you you have found a lawsuit right you try to proceed with the lawsuit but can you serve them number one can you get jurisdiction number 2 and then say that you are successful all across the board good luck collecting on it larry good luck collecting on that lawsuit so i think this is one thats left more for the politics and for president s and embassadors to kind of work things out in the courtroom i think its going to be difficult but theres going to be a groundswell for it absolutely is this. Prime opportunity for lawyers to unleash litigation. But of course of course it will happen and you know people who go after the plaintiffs bar which are people on the other the lawyers that you see advertising on television and they do personal injury type of work a lot of people attack them are always talk about you know without them you know the system crumbles around us the world becomes a much less safe place so yes those lawsuits will be filed the question is. Will they win will politicians attempt to block these types of lawsuits to get the economy running thats a big issue thats going to be. You know kind of tossed around and i think anytime you have politics in the law intersecting things get a little bit up with a majority leader mcconnell says additional Coronavirus Relief legislation must include Liability Protection for businesses and hospitals 08. Well i know i know laddie saying that because right now theres a lot that is unknown so if businesses are opened right and theyre trying to do or the and hospitals are doing what they can trying to serve patients and maybe we dont know whats going to happen a corner here and things go really bad in many some of the decisions made to open these things where the wrong decision whos going to be responsible you know those lawsuits will come down the road but the question is can you legislate away liability sometimes you can but it will be challenge larry as going to be a mother or a muscle who was going to be a meddling of up to 2 marys all over the place going to be whilst its the wild wild west and no anyone that says they know its going to happen is lying to you because this is this is we dont know how this is on a turnout. Oh a Bipartisan Group of some 2000 former Justice Department officials have signed a letter calling for the attorney general william bought to resign because of his intervention in the flynn case those historic 2 already changed course on someone convicted by his own admission what do you make of that. Well this this is a a it really fascinating issue on many Different Levels but again i will just preface all this by saying when politics and the law collide it gets ugly but let me put it out this way youve got a man general flynn who wants to retract a guilty plea ok not the 1st one to do this but he must retract a guilty plea if you was in state court and you went to a court room and the defendant was to retract and the prosecution doesnt want to go forward with the case if it takes 3 minutes for the judge to dismiss everything thats not happening here thats not happening here number one because were in a federal system which is a little different than most state systems ok so the judge has the ultimate decision here but i cant imagine down the road a conviction holding up for someone who was on what had to retract a guilty plea and says it was not voluntary and willful number 2 the prosecution didnt want to go forward with it which is the department of justice right and number 3 there is a potentially expulsion torrie information that was released that was not available at the time that he entered the plea so you put those together i cant that would set such a days dangerous precedent larry if the Supreme Court upheld the conviction might that then what could happen is someone could be pressured into a guilty plea lets say someone is pressured to plead guilty to murder right and its because they dont let their son they were threatened that their son was going to be prosecuted right and then it turns out that the person didnt actually died at the hands of another but the person died of Natural Causes and that information was kept from the person who pleaded guilty are you telling me that we were not that person in prison. So its it that the president is some dangerous i cant imagine if this thing goes up the ladder whether its 2 Appellate CourtSupreme Court review in this judge that someone who doesnt want to plead guilty and a prosecution that doesnt want to go forward and there is some evidence as potential exculpatory now has now come out i cant imagine that conviction standing up but we shall see because politics are a bath and a thing can happen Supreme Court heard arguments or news day on the trial much to loiss from has us president kenny be sued can he be for sure lisas taxes they seem mixed in their questioning how do you think its going to come up. All right and theres 2 separate issues right theres a theres a congress that is trying to get a hold of some financial documents and youve got a grand jury with the new York State Attorney general doing an investigation looking for the tax returns and again looking for stuff from 3rd parties but obviously President Trump is in the middle of all this i think that i think congress is going to have a difficult time because this is about a balance of powers and you know 2 separate branches of government and i think the Supreme Courts going to step in and ultimately say thats its a little too far congress but on the issue of the grand jury doing their investigation i think they may get to those documents but theres 2 questions with that will those will that happen before the election which may or may not happen i think theyll send it back to the state court to figure out exactly how this how this will be done but number 2 it will probably be done under seal if its the grand jury but once Something Like that is released and its under seal in the world we live in now with with President Trump and people investigating him just set the timer for how long it takes for those documents to leak and it becomes public so i think either one hand new york may be successful but will come out to the public probably not before the election the justices work by phone because of the pen demick while d i was in the Supreme Court. Larry i added i wish up at the end i ask this question a lot of people is better fact the other day i spoke to our friend Jeffrey Toobin about this and he said that theyre just theyre just so traditional and theyre just all fashion and it takes so long for them to change i look at this is like a big step they allowed the American Public to hear them argue law rights the argument always against cameras in courtrooms in this country for states that dont allow them and there are there are still a few it is because of witnesses who have to testify right but in in oral arguments a Supreme Court there are no witnesses theres lawyers and justices and its and its the most its the least transparent branch of our government which to me is really sad and unless you live in washington d. C. When theyre actually in session in can take off from work and go down there and get in the front of the line you dont get to see it and thats a shame larry in the chief justice order it. Can absolutely. Yes and when Justice Roberts was 1st appointed i remember all of us are court t. V. Were like hey maybe things will change because maybe we think he might be a little little less art fashion but hes been in there quite some time and i think really have to turn over another generation inside that court before it happens but that theres no reason farts are not happy larry i mean cameras they dont interfere with anything its very simple you dont need extra lights none of that would just give the American Public an opportunity to see the most Important Court in the land doing the peoples work as its court t. V. Going to pressure for it. We have in the past you know you its difficult i mean we went i led with these live broadcasts i mean we covered them from start to finish each and every one of them and will continue to do it if they go live. I think were always doing that and its not just the Supreme Court federal courts larry so big cases that happen in federal courts we dont see we never see these cases and its unfortunate its really unfortunate because its our government you know that they work for us the judges the prosecutors they dont work for us yet we dont get to see them do our work vinnie youre always on the mark thanks for joining us good seeing you again great to see you larry have awesome day stay safe Vinnie Politan more politicking after this. You cannot be done with yet you are. During the vietnam war u. S. Forces also bomb to neighboring laos it was a secret war. And for years the American People do not know. How my skin is especially the must have rebounded country per capita all Human History millions of unexploded bombs still in danger lives in this Small Agricultural country Jordyn Wieber went on a canal tap and then even today kids in laos full victims of bombs dropped decades ago is the us making amends for that tragedy and what help do the people need in that little land of mines. Seemed wrong. Just dont call. Me old yet to stamp out this day become an advocate and engagement equals betrayal. When so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground. Welcome back to politicking dean cain is the actor probably best known for his starring role on the t. V. Series lois and clark the new adventures of superman hes also one of the few outspoken conservatives in hollywood he is said to return as host of the show masters of illusion thats now in its 7 season on the c. W. Network he joins us from los angeles why why for we get to the masses of action or why do you think youre a lone warrior in the world of politics also in california why is that ive never claimed to be a lone voice by any stretch of the imagination its just that it seems that the louder voices from hollywood tend to be. Far to the left and i guess my point of view seems to be. Considered much farther to the right or more conservative but i dont think im one of the loans and i know so many people in california in hollywood in my business that really have sort of the same political views as i do sometimes though theyre a little quiet about that because there are many people in hollywood who who want to for lack of a better word blacklist the people who who with whom they dont agree politically ive never seen that before and its horrific. Why this added to do you think toward President Trump in particular you know thats thats one of the Great Questions because it is speech about President Trump thats the diversity issue that really sort of sends everybody over the edge and i have sort of weighed over my head back and forth maybe because he doesnt need hollywood maybe because he comes from hollywood to some degree i dont know i dont know maybe theyre jealous of him to some degree because he changed and was a billionaire here and decided to be you know politician and be the leader of the free world i just dont know what it is but it is clearly. It is clearly happening and theres clearly a huge level of hate and vitriol that ive never seen before and never want to see again how do you think hes handled covens 19 i think the president as well and go to 19 is anybody could have hoped to do it so its there are a lot of people he has done his presidency is marred by the. The strongest opposition and i organized opposition from the Mainstream Media from democrats from former administration its frightening if the man cured cancer they would be angry at him for putting doctors our work i know thats a cliche thing to say but thats the case theyre yelling about him you know oh he didnt do enough to early enough he didnt stop flights in or he stopped flights right on time with everybody else the day after the w. H. O. Issued a National Global emergency i mean he has done is as good as anybody can do but hes going to be maligned by those who have an agenda to get rid of. Help me with sword in his current stand is he telling us to go back dork at the same time telling us that there are enough tests for everyone does he want us to be tested before we go back to work where where does he seems opposite every other day what is there is getting here is his getting here is his scientific advice and medical advice from Health Care Professionals who arent always correct and they change their minds you look at the guy from the u. K. Breaking his own quarantine if you look at the doctor file she got what was wonderful after interview i was lucky to interview when i was so sick fox and friends theyre there their information changes their guidelines change senator rand paul had a very nice thing to say going to say with dr fell to the other day which is you know everything keeps changing nobody is 100 percent correct we dont know the answers to these banks so i think the president wants to get the economy open again because its been his signature achievement throughout his presidency one of the many signature she makes but thats the biggest is the economy and echoes back to the clinton times you know its about the economy stupid. Not how do you think the covered 19 will affect the election. Well it could do it in a couple to her waist if if people get back to work and the economy start booming again i think it turns out to not to be this. You know 2000000. 00 People Killed in the United States turns out to be something much less than that like it is now 80000. 00 which is how horrible it turns out to be something much less and the economy gets back on track i think President Trump will win in a landslide. When hollywood starts up again or is it going to look like it all never be the same right. I think it will be the same i think will be a period where we have this idea i think it would be the same i dont think it i dont think we as human beings are meant to you know i mean my mom doesnt like shaking hands of people but thats about it she gives of the depth of the elbow i like to shake hands people i like to hug people im a touch or you know so i just cant see hollywood. I mean maybe theyll be you know itll be more accountable for the crew probably for it certainly at 1st i have seen tremendous guidelines at 1st but i think its something that you know will sort of push into the background and itll be something where you know you have to be hygenic but i dont think itll be anywhere near the things that were seeing now i really dont i think it will get back to something a year from now i think will be