Civil rights Leader Office cargill hold the key to a cuban future for our National Health service all the civil coming up in todays going underground the 1st european Mainstream Media has downplayed alleged corruption in the removal of the leader of western europes largest socialist movement not that it stopped Jeremy Corbett in parliament continuing to ask questions about coronavirus that while his new need is a guest ahmed threatens court action against anyone publishing a leaked 850 page anti semitism document suggesting his allies conspired to lose a u. K. General election on his pay tribute very briefly to all those Health Workers care workers delivery workers street plane as cleaners and so many other groups all over the country that doing such an incredible job together with all of volunteers to deal with this crisis i think its an amazing moment in this countrys history however parliaments job is to hold the government to account on the question one of us is quite simply this the World Health Organization indicated that. Was in danger of an epidemic from corona in january they that later declared it to be a pandemic the director general of the World Health Organization said in terms of the way of dealing with it is test test test in order to ascertain the levels of infection across our society we didnt do that no we didnt do that here in britain but then Jeremy Corbyn today arguably represents the polar opposite of his success as a care star for that alone Boris Johnson in a new book by the b. B. C. s stuart macone explains the korban tradition the author of the nanny state made me a story of britain and how to save it joins me now via skype stuart welcome to going underground all the talk here is a Free Internet we need to have a new respect for shop workers for refuse collectors for n. H. S. People your new book begins with a story about the Public Sector on the post office tower in london with tony benn who i should say that is last ever Television Interview long form t. V. Interview for this programme just did you recount the beginning of this book well and thats good to know the you got the last interview problem a great great now dont usually yeah we will yeah its sort of the siege of the book reading the book begins with i was doing a t. V. Interview with Charlie Bannon and we would united top of the what many people still think of as the post office tyrion met in london g. P. O. Chap in bloomsbury and them. The p. R. Guy for British Telecom n o n listen to our kind of chit chat before we began into uni came over and said hey guys just just want change you can call it g. P. O. Chair of the time its the bt tower its the British Telecom terrorism in the g. P. O. Quite some times if you could remember to say that until the band fixed him with this when their gaze said. I commissioned this tower i was involved in the in the building of this terrible planning stage it was commissioned by the government it was built and designed by engineers not checked of the state and it was paid for by the british taxpayer those people down there and he pointed out the window and said and it was paid for by those people and Margaret Thatchers stole it from them and it wasnt hers to take and it isnt yours and into a new and you know ill call it what im like really and the guy just slid away defeated and i thought and since then coming these ideas of been percolating through my head that eventually has become this book well today in 2020 amidst a pandemic we have a successor it would think to Margaret Thatcher certainly one of his heroines Boris Johnson and hes never been more popular according to the polls during this pandemic i should say to our viewers this book is not negative about this country despite as you suggest there what happened after that you know the 79 tell me about how much this book is infused with a love of britain yes no its not a its not an anti british book at all i prefer to think of myself as billy bragg calls it as a progressive patriot but there is a difference between being a patriot and agreeing we want to tap into this country for the last 40 years maybe even half century which i considered to be essentially and fundamentally unpatriotic i think thats a revolution of 79. 00 and it was a revolution you know. 79 with the revolutions in some way they had a massive revolution in iran and we had a massive revolution here in this country that we didnt recognize it as such i think it was a fundamentally anti patriotic anti british revolution because it said there is no such thing as society in the common bonds of humanity between us are not really as important as profit and he said that individuals often dont paint yogic individuals who do not pay their taxes and who live off shore and huge stash their assets off shore it handed the country and its wealth to them rather than the british people so quite the opposite it would be announced pretty broken in this book connects with a fundamental british patriotism about what made this country great and any one of these images country great was a section of the welfare state in 1945 by the most progressive government computer ever seen so no i do not quite the opposite i consider the people who inhabit the boardrooms of this company and the offshore companies i consider those to be the real unpatriotic town ok well some phil says the refuge the last refuge of the scoundrel ive got to tell you the books title is this phrase the nanny state and that is a that is a term used when it comes to the Public Sector obviously not being used at the moment during the pandemic where we rely so much on the Public Sector who are dying to save us you think that the nanny state the word itself covers room in the sense people who had nannies thats thats thats very much i mean its a joke in a way but its i think its a joke with some serious intent and you say the people who complain about the nanny state are the people who have not eat it is an extraordinary thing that we take this on board i mean we we are seen no i mean were in so much what is the function of a state if not to provide for the wellbeing of citizens i mean and for too long we neglected that in time in thought the state should be some kind of other nonexisting its all off. Just facilitating the protection of private property property and them and the smooth transition of money from one bank account to another usually to rich peoples back and i want to reclaim this word that people have never had enough in the lives of taken to using and say no thats not what you know the nonstate the welfare state a phone call it is kind of love made institutional and we are seeing not that when the crunch is come when we are when we face a really series serious national and International Crises the people who we put our faith in that we will not count on not denizens of the board they have been the 1st people to bleat and to give up that in fact as we see every day its the n. H. S. From work it is delivery drivers it is refuse collectors it is all these people the people whove been cleaning let these people pretty patel says our own skilled workers well now weve seen they are fundamental and i wonder if its too romantic an optimistic too soon it will see some fundamental realignment and rethinking of our society but i do think we will change i do think youre not going to hear quite the relish pretty patel dismissing people who make less than 25000 pounds on skilled i do not think you will see quite the same relish in the attacks on state institutions and i certainly dont think you see any day soon conservative politicians applauding themselves in the house of commons for refusing nurses a pay rise that would not be a very good look at all i think in the coming months and years i want to get on to some of the things you show that we have lost as a country since 9879 but those tory politicians of course disproportionately were educated at private schools are we in britain call them Public Schools you know theyre private why is it so important because certainly Jeremy Corwin the outgoing labor leader didnt want to abolish eton why is it as. This as the manifesto said anywhere the election why should we abolish it. It is the fundamental. Schism in British Society i think. It is both emblematic of everything thats wrong with this country so if you just consider purely symbolic act getting rid of those places where people will be useful but i also think you cannot ignore the day to day practical repercussions of that the fact that. In a country where a bite 6 percent of people 6 between 6 and 7 percent of people we think are privately educated they comprise a majority of High Court Judges the majority of offices in the british army the majority of journalists across the board so even in the liberal papers regard the journalists are privately educated the b. B. C. When John Humphrys left the b. B. C. Today Programme Many people applauded because they thought he was an old rightwing kermits and thats maybe the case but he certainly his leaving left that program less democratic because not every single radio 4 use presenter is privately educated the 1st step any government should say if we want to say. You know how to Fairer Society is absolutely overnight abolished it will be skills i cannot it seems to me so selfevident and yet to say to people think you some a hugely ridiculously communistic thing to say it seems like we british love play. Play play should declare an interest that i was a i was wrong umphreys producer at the at the b. His c. Do you think then that because of all of that we have a tribute thing over the history that you so romantically talk about in the book by people like drawn. The people now doing the press coverage is about coronavirus because their patriotism is very different to that in this book you know i dont i dont judge i dont want to do you know would you do me no joy but if you personally insulting i dont. Sometimes they think they are doing what they think is the best of the circumstances but preservation at all costs of this system as it stands preservation all costs of an elite of an establishment all of the of of any quality is what they are above it i happen having said that i do think its interesting i think johnsons newton case in point hes certainly not an idealogue i thought you were i mean he may well be i mean some people suggest hes simply a game plays in this self aggrandizement and a bit of fun he certainly is not an idealogue the fact she was and i think thats why weve seen already that. Really soon x. At enterprise in endeavors and suggestions have been warmly welcomed and seen very on conservative because then not might be considered as weve been used to for 50 years or so but its interesting in order to get them public on board hes got to embrace very public spirited principles the kind of principles they dont appear in the senate for the welfare state i do not think the page does mean is my pictures and no i dont think genuinely they really want every british citizen to have everybodys interest they have that of the few and it is their own class and it is their own people that said i do not want i want to jump on about my going to be taught examine my criticism they are faced with unprecedented problems and they are handling them probably as well as they can in some respects maybe economically although we see every day that we the people the scandal we see every day that seems to be complete lack of forward planning and lack of community thinking as well well the riches are that of course the chancellor caver Goldman Sachs and a lot of the people in were thrown to the cabinet or associated with supporting privatization of the National Health service has been a struggle about the previous exercise why do you think theyve been able to turn a sixpence so easily and suddenly say they love the n. H. S. That they obviously were so much a part of a privatizing it before this pandemic struck well i think one of the reasons for that. Seeming vault fanous has been the one of the engine things about this crisis as weve seen Boris Johnson was hospitalized one of these crises is it has been indiscriminate inhibit attacks i mean its wrong to beat pain has been felt discriminately as always in these cases the brunt of the pain has been felt by the poorest the most vulnerable that is thats whats happened this has in terms of its contagion. Affected everyone we have we were all as likely to suffer as anyone else and i think its been the sheer that ubiquity of it and the fact that middle class people and rich Business People will be affected by has made them realize that they have to step up to the place i think of the coronavirus it only affected some poor people that they couldnt see you know in the cities. In that context what exactly i mean i write about them in the in the chapter on housing in my book i write a program for and said that as a symbol of many quality you kind of get more point and similarly quote one of the richest few miles on earth you had graham fell but i think its been the fact that. This contagion if you like has affected as the potential to affect everyone i think has meant that this government has had to be seen to be doing some good because and i say if it had been another graham fell on something even less public i think it could have been swept some of the company but this no but this is hitting a lot of people like Richard Branson in the backbones and i think so i think even the conservative party after us and some of their friends might not come to this on scale i maybe this is why theyve got this newfound generosity and Community Spirit ill stop you there after this short break. 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Welcome back im still here with the stuart people are watching may have been lucky enough to see the site of tens of thousands of cuban doctors pictures of them helping Different Countries around the world during this pandemic despite the fact that arguably Mainstream Media in this country has not been showing those pictures Boris Johnson used to taught Jeremy Corbyn about cuba and its ally venezuela what why why did you think you were so important as regards a country like britain because in the book you talk about relations with the relatives office gargle one of the architects of arguably one of the biggest flashpoints of International Near liberalism in british history his connection to cuba and health well yes in the book i was very keen to do this i should say that i didnt do not know enough of banks to be able to say i would not want to seem to be a cheerleader for the cuban system overall but on one thing. Ive got things right is that Health Care System and i knew vajra friend of mine the actress maxine peake. After scandals daughter margaret. With her husband jim actually mine manager had set up a cuban style Health Practice in bonds and i was intrigued by this and went to go i knew nothing about the cuban Health Care System except that many people said it was apparent and i was brilliant and they have set up they said submission in the middle ninetys tony blairs government came along to try and emulate it because didnt do it properly. Because what they have set of cuban Health Care System is a system whereby there is a health home you go in there and you send documents i feel you know i feel a little money use writing. Never know when they need specially selected pop goes the hall and see him also if you transpires that when you dont really want to happen if youre feeling depressed then there is someone you can help you know mentally healthy shes the idea is that its a one stop shop its 24 hours and again im not a medical im not a healthcare professional im not a medical sociologist but it do seem to me that. Cuban system of health care as we are seen from the fact of many adults coming is something we can very definitely learn from because the cuban system stands in stark contrast to our National Health service in a sense which isnt truly universal in fact talk about how the British Medical Association tried to destroy any open National Health service what we want there were other elements of this book why the importance of buses you see this is so crucial i mean libraries british rail the buses a so i think of the whole the boston area is one that just does is show again emblematic and symptomatic of the wrongheaded thinking of 50 years in this country or 40 years at least. Everywhere in britain and everyone remember him except one place the bus is a prime time back in the days when the conservatives are drunk on power looking for want to privatized next i mean whatever you think about privatisation i think there are you know there are certain things i say in the book i do not want the state to make my clothes i d