Alive once its over to discuss that im now joined by kitty in the short run a russian political scientist and a popular you tube are you can tell its always a great pleasure talking to you thank you very much for carving out your high asking out its its a kind of. Life balance. Where you get to your study its a kind of going to write a song think brings that kind of that forces you to your day. And in fact i think you in particular have been talking about in merging all work and private life as a major social in a labor trance for quite some time ok youre going to get me theres a. Yeah and im sorry to say but its reached its. Unexpected aparajita with this onset of south isolation i wonder if you have had a chance to adjust to well on the on how do we ave a privilege people who academicians so we used to leave this way before it was mainstream on tao the have its evident that its not normal and that he shouldnt conceive it should be like that surprising to me tommy was not how easily i have adapted so there was nothing i said that to. Rather the opposite saying i suddenly realized oh maybe i should have known it before this social component of social sciences was always so much against talking sorcerers or using inside information i was always saying that its all out there in the open source as you know official documents but now i see that there is this thing and thats not Insider Information but this is being in the atmosphere with people and institutions you spread it visiting the evil they ask usually bad that used to be so cancelled so its such a long time once you are deprived a whole days youll begin to perceive how the quality of your work deteriorates while i hate to break it to you we are social species and its their lives to bookworms like yourself just as my just to everybody else now i heard me say a couple of years back that work especially a fulfilling work writing done not just income but other crimes of great vacation will one day become a luxury and i think that nowadays any kind of work is actually actually a privilege especially coupled with a monday to restrict actions on social and mobility how much longer do you think states around the world can afford to maintain that no go. Mountain the world has an interest in keeping its citizens flocked so they that have a virus will go by the list your rules and restrictions will remain i think its a. Scare idea the governments of the world are very much interested in lifting this restrictions but they are evidently and reasonably doing this in such a way as to provoke another wave action i think we shall worry about the oncoming level of poor see that will be faced by millions and millions of russian citizens and the people all around the world this will be cared for really. Restaurant sounds coffeeshops will come back our services will revive but some jobs lost will indeed be a lost forever to those people who. Are the advantages of working for the state evidence right now because these people receive their salaries. But why is the staying at home period will be over this advantages will not be over this state has been primarily job giver in russia since well since its a long time ago but just 14 the number of people died it will likely grow even more because other. Workplaces will be scarse and this is not a very good saying well at the mill state is it isnt in good shape right now and regardless of dire political system and i would claim that this is perhaps the most consequential catch 22 situation when there are simply no easy solutions but i also see a lot of a lot of distance done building up around the world and the notion that this states around the world with very very few exceptions would prioritize how considerations. Also a very limited group of people and were talking about 10 to 15 percent of the population who this virus of about only that die how considerations would be prioritized over Everything Else given where we are right now gee think it was ultimately a good call on the part of a very just to you know could these people and how to spell and ignore Everything Else take place and they end of the day this is an issue of priority everything has its costs and cannot be the jat this other governments of the world have been acting in a remarkably similar manner as you know how it is no matter whether their democracy is all talk process and this for Political Science this has been one of the remarkable things to watch and to analyze the matters have been very much similar even though its just laced them and the neck and the floor employed during this weeks crisis has very large similarities so its not the question also although horses being more a factor in a democracy has been more effective its rather rational to rely on being in the same not this scenario where this should tell us that it is so diverse governments have the reason for acting like they act even at so great an economy and what would that be. The cost. Well. I heard you say before that the reason why you know states around the world were compelled to behave that way or to react the way they reacted was because of the appreciation in the value of human life and i take a major issue with that because the save lives of obit 9000 patients a likely to come and the cost of many other lives we are talking about you know either patients who ran be able to travel well lifesaving treatment abroad were talking about. Domestic abuse which is likely to have increased over the stressful times were talking about people who lost their livelihoods or mental how because of this a deal when you look at the human cost of gold the andranik and the response to it comprehensively is its really such a humanistic response isnt it actually saving some and more safety in the other. We can ask people for a long term consequences because were going to have we dont know what would this situation be enough there were no restrictive measures and act as a whole imagine. Then it all go away and. We dont need to imagine that we can look at. The example of sweden and it is clear that at this point the number of fatalities. Is slightly higher but its not overwhelmingly so i mean we have some indications that these you know case in areas that many people were painting and many scientists were painting and submitted to the government it may have been overstated i guess i kind of does a touch of that medical specialists are even listed in economy but i must have an issue with a swedish example we dont ease not counted they did nothing about it and it cost little as a country that did not employ legislative follies restrictions on its citizens until speeches all School Restaurants in stockholm are as a misleading their words and government will advise people to stay at home and a lot of them did and they are also connected to the fabric of social life another country says different from the country so they do have a kind of course but its a common day so its not its not obsolete i agree with you but its far more did very response down the blanket ban that was imposed are. Recommended in some countries now when i was thinking about it you know what he did to my mind is the culture of this socalled phenomena and safe it is not that we see in some u. S. Colleges which creates a moral hazard for College Administrators to overreact to every complaint from a student and we ultimately imperils agitation and Critical Thinking and i wonder if together with this common 1000. 00 pandemic were also witnessing the outbreak is not all departed governments when they think that its better to be saved and story even though distraction you may be safe and. Youre going to say for a while also just read on story about on the kind of consequences that that calm. But when i was saying and continues to say that this matters around them. As do the consequences they have high value of human lives i was talking exactly about that there is a dark side even to a little higher cost of human life because even poses it imposes a certain duty on any public government so it cant just say lets let the light go on as a den of the sick will get sick somebody will die will try to help those women who will lead or not with the business as usual that isnt possible they need to share that they take a stance and but be it in addition you feel on your even if this is costly. Rationally but then thats the only outsider i fear and i dont the time including on the russians they dont channel these kind of argumentation but we know that this is a highly discriminate its a virus it goes primarily after people with preexisting conditions do could likely be sick and that you know type 2 diabetes is the prevailing disease among the population and i dont understand i havent heard anyone are really clearly why do we have to isolate everybody im going to become a chokehold instead of isolating be specific research the population has a higher chance of and in that ending up in the Emergency Care units as opposed to everybody else who has either very slight or no symptoms that told you im a very wrong person to put this question to but what i say. The circumstances lets watch the consequences thats what were social site is do lets wait till the end of the war on time measures and see how they call an eerie bounce in the healthy economy of the u. S. Rebound may be quite speedy and that it will will say thank you to it is democratic and then on the credit government that you learn to trust your actions that killed elasund. The human cost. Than everything came back normal effects of this will serve as a kind of excel. Right search to an economic crisis or an economic stagnation that has already in all its weight and thatll be a whole different thing in jesus christ we are in that you know kind of not the best at all we do how they virus but we also how. It connects the nation for all of that was there before and we shall be a president the oil. Crisis which has not begun begin to take real consequences we will see for example a sequester and all solid federal budget we will see the budget deficit and well see if theyre necessary in adam all cutting off sounding of budgets or responding at the very moment while society as a whole is extracting are there well takes or how well you could do before you turn into a full fledged prophet of the our callouses lets take your very very sure that i do know this not only because the we have seen this things before we have survived that if you want some real or a colleague sick prophecy you should i could name a few names. So here you are people thats what you need. So i am getting boring noticed. I will definitely be interested in exploring the spill but after a short break lets take a moment but well be back in just a few seconds they can. 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Welcome back to worlds apart from the key to getting this from them that russian political analyst economic just before the break we were talking about how common 1000 is a highly discriminative virus which primarily goes to people with preexisting conditions and speaking specifically about type 2 diabetes and other its a ball of disorders i think at this point it is absolutely clear that they are in the area than it otherwise would have been and even before these are dynamic beasts kind of diseases south late diseases disease is also a lifestyle well radie bankruptcy public how care sector is in many countries because of their snow balling cost for example just in the United States theyre in the federal budget goals into medicare and about that of medicare it is child of diabetes now the question i want to ask you is about the prevailing social norms of the time being we treat health as our turn signal issue do you think thats a sustainable social norm at a time when society is that expected to make such dramatic sacrifices to treat these diseases that are. Easily preventable we do not know the virus goes off so we have a lot of data but its data so far will be able to fully judge only when its over and 2nd i would not describe any disease as south inflicted although of course there is a connection between the old way of life and the way are sealed as also genetics. Inclination or does inclination towards a disease so its not a thing you can blame a person on for having having made though those 2 of those deployed 2nd procedure your original questions about the august the 6th type of privacy and this is a very busy interesting thing and this is my kind of thing because its social and its political. By a policy or by a politics of the way the state or society are all the needy all the lords and early on and on who the lord interferes directs your physical. What things are allowed and what. You doing. With your body what was a body off your loved ones with your children how far can a pair of judge for example with a look to vaccinate their child. Before that weve been all of this our general liberal drop off our my body my decision and if ringback i harm myself a way of making this decision is yes again its not wrong its being used in the future with me society even liberal society made as told after their parents are relations course 4 on one hand a we share do you perceive the family as at last as safe have privacy at the same time we as a society cannot tolerate the full parental power over a child the power of either from the earliest on their own. Base as we do in fish here our society and legislative systems interfere but it comes to you ses all Development Well this jailhouse now this is the logical say for to is perceived as a kind of public goods to be defended by the force the full force of the lawyers forcing states its interesting how this things will develop but where we may be sure the thing will develop maybe we will see for example for moments a risk in Public Places as a customary thing as we have now those safeguards are restrictions on the measured service and now where we got years during the last 20 years that reading search error search oh yes we girls will strain. The airports at any public location maybe we will see the same kind of range that will measure our got a temperature or maybe you are an arab body weight because this is one of the. Major factors risk factors allo still diseases including call it 98 its a major risk factor it is by weight what you put in your bio. Is not going to be on lee your decision or is it going to be at least inquired a matter of society because and the end of the day you ask society to pick up the bill for your damaged in later years well you may recall asked how the number of scandals rob so its a recently about high prices for airplane tickets 14 waiting over. Actual grams and it was it was a whole host of public questions whether companies have the right to charge a high price is what its such a meal with its discrimination or not and now its that was an innocent debate. Hes now a dick. So. That the question the real question is the question off policy measures how do you. Things that you think beneficial for society and people who are waiting more again. Are large do you know if you teach children Healthy Lifestyles and teach every school child to cook for example and in this way you try to make us a science you tell. Me what the line between the lines between christmas and democracy even make it into a distinction between the talkers in democracies and yet me know that democracy is on base from. Paralyzed i mean the challenge you raise in the United States from call it like to these the highest in the world and its the highest in the states mid to high straights of business and i heard you say recently that consumer is we just very directly related to the consumer business here just a comment 19 is gone is not going to kill it and and the center of consumerism is a sick mix of well likely and perhaps mentally. Compromised individual that requires a lot of services when we talk about the value of human lives is that to really be conduct live that we have to cherish that me ask you aspire to protect me not of the United States which means a lot spends a lot on how care is on the verge of bankruptcy health care is and the verge of bankruptcy because its not sustainable there are doctors who are talking about dementia as types 3 diabetes because many diabetics go on to develop dementia and if you imagine you know this whole population of diabetics and people who are children will have to take cheryl i think its a question of intergenerational you know soul and tired. In fairness why should our children take care and pay for our excesses you imagine always children the general generational. As just this is the sort of very Healthy People who want have any disabilities themselves and our children are the beneficiaries of this society which allows people to survive which helps people with various sorts of disabilities to adapt and to become members of society so we care to going back to a start and since you feel when youre born. With a 100 percent says that theyre not going to have what he can also get im sure a solution of personal responsibility and stating that you owe your own good health not only to yourself but also to society because at the end of the day this is and easily preventable problem you know we cant talk about authoritative societies but not authoritarian can actually control what you put into your mouth its only now control if it ensures very wary of you know like you change a lot of money both to unite the state and also make people understand that this understanding youll need a vacation a program not as system off fines and on the police measures that was my point yes the society is going to be a lawyer and while diverse also in terms of house and sounds of your name were not going to change that were not going to have an area of the long healthy young people were going to have a lot of people on that a healthy young. They are our competitor its now also citizens that they stay or send workers they contribute to society and they demand some things decided from the side but they also contribute so this is the reality we are going to leave and were not going to make everybody house but we have as you say makes a side of bye bye as i would say educating that i would vary my. Argue in favor of changing did occasionally programs even gardens and in schools the younger of the children the better we do not teach them enough well we dont teach them at all meaning i am there and if i was shining on their old body and the import