A lot because of course weve got hundreds of people that go to you take should not try to go to hospital of course that this is feasible we cut it for us all best and so a situation in trying to understand which kind of action we need to do so that to 2 people thats a whole when possible and with. Just stations who got rescued out there and you stress a soul of course its a difficult situation sometimes we ask the patient to step in and couple of days they will come anyhow because they are getting worse all the dollies told the change because of it that they will because at least emergency we had to change in this structure and so far in my post there are more than 104 positive cases wait near more yes and weve got to close all the suit rule in order to a larger they tend to care units where 48 need a norther to take here all day younger population of course with regard to rape. Older population this is not seasonable and we are trying to use noninvasive riskier tory technique can i get on to the respiratory techniques youre a few weeks ahead of us here in britain i understand we see over here were appealing in britain for manufacturers to come out with ventilators i understand the use of ventilators is something youve been particularly wary of you have to be careful clinically about the use of ventilators yes we do are to identify the patient what got us all to need to survive using them to date on that one but that will not because i were experience is that whenever you need that information with mechanical ventilation but you seem beat it in later and actually this is need it for quite a long time and most of the time more than 2 weeks time and of course that this is very difficult if you are all if youve got many cool will be d. D. s because that may happen that you die because other people beat it its right at the corner by dose of the star particular kind of hasta the cool abilities because this disease produces a huge england nation burden and of course of this made people who were excited about sort of a risk of people d you mention inflammation the National Health service here in britain has been criticised for advising people to use ibuprofen and is it your understanding that its paracetamol youre supposed to be taking i dont see the will like the group that is obvious and thank sought this kind all and Good Laboratory drugs that do not think they do not cease to work or coronavirus so actually what we are it you would say its let me say it 2nd level and it runs out or it drugs which are all of the body about this is not going to do with this let me say calmly use under an arbitrary truckstop should not be yours that you can use as it will in order to go well if you but but also reminded most of the time its even coronavirus that youre born its not that high and if anyone thinks that washing ones hands is a seems like an odd. Response all the Mathematical Modeling does show it will save millions of people from being infected yes of course if it did anything we grew up the birth to be very clear that didnt mean to rule out of transmission is through droplet i do not have quoted droplet then most effective intervention is lost sheep hands 2nd is using mask this works theres no doubt the editor of the Peer Reviewed british medical journal the lancet says the response here in britain was wrong and that the outbreak has been entirely preventable what did you make of what you were hearing from britain when the chief scientific science advisor heres a Patrick Vallance who formerly worked at j. F. K. Said herd immunity is the path to go down we now know that entails the deaths of quarter of a 1000000 people if you are already in a situation in which its a cool muni acquired the only way that we need it to do is a tool up for conduct this is a general principle and its i just see this to our all white cotton tucked were getting reports of a lack of testing kits of protective again for frontline medical staff here in london the epicenter of the pandemic in britain how can we learn from what happened in italy where thousands died about the need for testing which of course the World Health Organization has advised britain to get a move on with according to the level of it yannick you must concentrate on testing or rather just food to eat or quantity because he now isolation nowadays so be it be that make this. High that actually we rely more on what symptoms rather than our test it also because we will never have become passive to test all the population regarding how to treat expression how to treat the coal at their School Course that it difficult he even providing hope here providers to all they print. Good measure i would sell for any intensity in the intensive care unit we use of the same towards that the same im asked for one single chair now and we use the surgery mask on the top because we dont have to i protected mask to be changed every patient many doctors especially in that territory says that we have normal ask that we cannot go to those of the patients are told but of course and this is a biggie ship for us because otherwise all of it should we come too close to go out and we will not have the capacity to treat them all ok just finally in very briefly obviously a lot of repercussions of that of investment in the italian Health Service and Health Services across the European Union have that you had any cases of those who have been infected by covert 1000 who have recovered from covert 1000 and then have been reinfected not so far nevertheless and theres a lot of uncertainty about how much is protected they even junichi provided by 1st grown up iris to take ships because of their product or we are just testing if the virus is present we are not testing which antibodies are predictable or with cellular immunity is protected at last the 1st search is ongoing not that its on the course of this will be crucial as soon as a back signal will be available in order to forecast the level of protection that will be provided by docs nation its crucial to doat how much we will be able to box in a bit low population and to what extent that this vaccine will be effective in order to avoid and this is the scene that you just will turn to be a suitable disease like employment or giovanni growled a thank you and bush well while the Global Pandemic may threaten millions of his billions who are threatened by another catastrophe arguably not being properly prepared for by earth riches nations joining me now is Extinction Rebellions dr richard reid ribble welcome back to going underground going on directly for Extinction Rebellion the area wearing a hat and i get demick. And before we even start when it comes to this crisis the reflectivity been criticizing the. B. B. C. Coverage of the Boris Johnson administrations response presuming it is Public Information is going to be vital in this crisis absolutely the government has not been publicizing its models they are now emerging very late in the day thats not acceptable we need full transparency we need a lot more information about corona virus than we have because were hardly doing any testing in this country similarly in the United States the numbers that we have on the pandemic theyre all massive underestimate because of the incredibly low number of tests and because so many people who have coronavirus are asymptomatic for quite a while while they have and while their infectious sewage the volunteers the chief scientific advisor submerging vallance will say well you dont know that because we havent had the and this is just a. Competition when people like the editor of the law and sort of making extraordinary claims that somehow this was entirely preventable because of the herd immunity response look we know for sure that the numbers are a hell of a lot higher than the official numbers we dont know exactly what they are but we know there are a lot higher now in terms of the prince ability of this Richard Horton the editor of the lancet is exactly correct many scientists have been mourning for some time and i come at this from the perspective of the precautionary principle the idea that when we dont know something we want to protect ourselves against what we dont know in the case of this emergency this virus its unprecedented we dont know what effects it has we dont know for example whether it might have neurological effects where that might leave permanent lung damage we dont know a great deal about how its transmitted yet were gradually finding out but theres a lot we dont know looking for help until now living to let me just finish the point when we when we dont know that kind of stuff we need to her on the side of safety thats what it is to be precautious and that is exactly what the u. K. And u. S. Governments have not. Doing they havent been keeping us safe all the provinces father so early georgia says that he will still go to the pub in any case but i think the government would say they were earning on the side of caution when they saw that a herd immunity response would kill courtroom 1000000 people in britain this term herd immunity i think it was a very honest to be using their idea was lets let this pandemic rip through the population and try to control it from hitting the most vulnerable we try to keep them cocooned this had the likely consequence as you say that we could have hundreds of thousands of people dying in this country now why would any government do that let me put something quite controversial here i believe that the only way it could make sense for somebody to think of doing that is if they didnt enormously think of themselves as part of this heard that was going to be knowingly infected with the disease knowingly recklessly endangering the population and i would claim thinking that they themselves would be part of that percentage of the population that were not going to be infected ok well the Harvard School of public health. Hazard seemed to agree with you think it was it was but why is it then that the b. B. C. Certainly is reporting new the science is changed thats why Boris Johnson has changed his advice to the British Population as regards going out of doors so the imperial results that the government is changing your goal of Building Material college. They are new in themselves but the substance of what theyre saying is precisely what the lancet was saying 2 months ago is precisely what nassim taleb and i have been saying for weeks on end a back of an envelope calculation shows that hundreds of thousands are at risk from this virus if you let it hit most of the population do the same and data brokers are the main brokers doing this going to. 3 is wrong about the science having changed the problem with the b. B. C. Coverage is that theyve been and the i. T. V. Coverage is that theyve been far too deferential towards the state they said things like for example well Boris Johnson is for only following the scientific advice because of course he goes out there flanked by the chief medical officer and the chief scientific adviser but that doesnt mean theyre making the policy the policy was very influenced for example by the knowledge and psychology unit that is close to 10 downing street who were saying look youre not going to be able to convince people to socially isolate the long periods of time therefore youve got to wait before you impose that those kinds of restrictions but that was groundless what weve actually seen wonderfully over the last week is the British Population moving ahead of the government and saying look its just not good enough were not convinced that youre keeping us safe anymore we are bringing the government into line and we are bringing the broadcasters into line actually the science all the way along different scientists been saying Different Things the safe thing to do the precautions thing to do was never to put the whole population into a kind of massive uncontrolled experiment no where else in the world was planning to do this i am here in london with us sharon and there are still flights taking off from from london airport from city airport except for those flights are because london is an epicenter now those flights are spreading the virus around this country and as we speak just finally very briefly i know that its ensure bellina curbing some of the. Demonstrations i understand theres a whistle blowing project in case anyone watching this program was to give you information that could help not only regarding corona virus but on fossil fuel emissions globally yeah yeah yeah so we had this site its called truth teller dot life w. W. W. Dot to fill a dot life and the idea is if there are secrets that are lurking in any Pharmaceutical Company in any bank and any Insurance Company whatever it might be in government. Get them out the public need and deserve to know about threats to their safety on this or any issue Professor Robert reed thank you after the break whos really just blame for the low could be bombing that killed 270 people on british soil we speak just as lester i were on when i was working to tell you the name of the only man ever to be convicted for the u. K. s worst terror attack well the symbol going up about to him going on the ground. To stand up as a nation from which to show him to us and investors. 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Welcome back in the past few days as the Coronavirus Crisis began to dominate International News the Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission made a decision about the biggest of a terror attack on british soil the bereaved have been campaigning for justice for over 3 decades since the lockerbie bombing which killed 270. 00 people after pan am flight 103 crashed the only man ever to be convicted was a libyan Intelligence Officer mcgrath he but now there is to be a posthumous appeal joining me now from our studio in glasgow is an astronomer unworried lodged an appeal on behalf of mcgrath his family and has described his conviction as the worst miscarriage of justice in british legal history thank you so much on my for coming on just before we get to lockerbie ive got to ask you because corona virus is obviously in the ed lines you helped arguably put the murdoch news of the world out of business its successor the sun on sunday came out thats the chosen output by one of the top scientific adviser on coronavirus to Boris Johnson what do you make of using Murdoch Outlets for information i think as a as a little pool boy most people would find that shocking effect the fact that the government is repeatedly using. One particular newspaper. Called the health a few days ago used to telegraph a pay wall in order to put Public Information is simply not acceptable all newspapers all t. V. Stations should be getting exactly the same information that should be given favoritism to one but i think its its outrageous and i and the process and the result of course is that they are cutting off parts of society that refuse to buy such papers but also means the information is not getting gates and in a uniform fashion and it is scaring people i have older parents who are scared reading what they see tippets in the news and tabloids signal except well its not the way a reasonable rushed. No well informed government should be behaving its shocking in fairness of our sons in government im sure they say they are rectifying some of the problems before we obviously invite the barclay brothers owners of the telegraph and Rupert Murdoch on the show but lets get the lockerbie a lot of people are going to think that this case was done and dusted over 20 allez deal with the late more maga daffy what exactly is this case and why are you were pressing it given that al mcgrady has been convicted of this case he was of course 1st accused by a cia asset in libya back in the days when great get halfway around the one of the richest countries in africa per capita while it on the 21st december 1988 pan am flight 103. 00 exploded over lockerbie the town of lockerbie and 270. 00 people from 21 countries lost their lives this was the as you said its a tale it was the greatest terrorist atrocity to take place on u. K. Soil and what it means is a many people have said to us why 30 or over 31 years later should be trying to take this back to the appeal court and its as simple as this if there was a reversal of the verdict it would mean that the britain and britain and the United States and the Security Services have been living a monumental lie for some 31 years they incarcerated an innocent man and they punished the libyan people for a crime they did not commit and many people have for a long time pointed the finger of blame at the to run. And stated that they were responsible that they carried out a revenge attack when the americans murdered some several 100 iranians on an air bus 6 months before the lockerbie attack and yet for some reason the finger of blame then shifted when the 1st gulf war came along and it seemed an opportune moment to treat libya which was a pariah state and to point the finger of blame at that when they needed support from syria and from iran for the 1st gulf war no the bottom line here remains that mr mcgregor he do. Actually starts his appeal there was strong grounds of appeal and the process started a