Countries witnessed arguably the most important trial of the century so far thanks so much for coming to australia in london rather live in. Even before the trial doctors were saying he may die at any moment what was it like in court. Terrible in many ways its just you know i am really appalled about the situation and the conditions even for Us International observers i have seen so many trials worldwide and im really outrageous about the conditions for Us International observers in the Public Gallery for observers they are just 24. 00 seats 6 for the family members and 18 for International Observers and we always have to queue there and wait for about 2 hours just to make sure that we can really go and follow the case in the court room and not in a media annex room where you cannot listen we cannot hear something from the courtroom and in our other way its terrible too because to see how the conditions are which julian is facing i mean he is a really gentle human journalist who havent had to done a crime and hes treated like a top terrorist behind behind a bulletproof glasses. In the back of the court of the court which is just because of him and he cannot follow the court and he cannot hear the court even just hardly he can hear and listen whats going on and i think these conditions are not adequate for a state which is saying the rule of law is totally accepted well he did commit a crime a minor bail violation and the person who is about to perhaps lead the labor party after Jeremy Corbin said he has absolute trust and faith he took time. And in this Court Process that you were hatch well i wrote i would. Invite him to be in the court with us with part of interior from Different Countries of the European Union its not just me as a german member of the parliament with some other germans we are from ireland we are from italy well from spain we are from puerto girl from france and some other countries i would really be happy to have british colleagues from the British Parliament here i was wondering where are they because its so such a case where do you have International Attention and interest and its not just us parliamentarians who are observing this case its the. Parliamentary assembly of the council of europe the Human Rights Commission of the council of europe there are so many parliamentarians worldwide why are very concerned about this case and i really dont understand to be frank whats going on in the British Parliament with my colleagues that they dont have there was not one british politician with you know and i mean if they are so secure and so secure about the case that the rule of law is accepted you and the conditions are ok with the rule of law why they dont just come and see whats going on in the court room ok i mean i just dont like them i invite the candidate who is running for the leadership of the labor party come with me as a calm rate and see whats going on in the courtroom well it again convenes in may of course depending on the health of Julian Assange. The magistrate vanessa borate. Shes an impartial woman deciding over the Court Proceedings as well. It was very weird what happened last week. When we came together to the court and she just asked in the afternoon julian if he can concentrate on the trial and the proceedings and because its in the dock and he cannot very well hear whats going on because we had this really the problems from the beginning on monday to the 24th the trial started and we had this julian and the media and the observers had the problem to follow sometimes because. Sometimes they dont speak into the microphone sometimes you cannot hear the judge at all because she doesnt spoke to the microphone or even she started the proceedings while julian was not in the courtroom i mean he is a defendant you have to wait till he is coming in to the courtroom but then they started just a proceeding sometimes and that means this is disrespect about the court and the trial at all and then she asked him in the afternoon if she he felt good and hes wellbeing and can concentrate but julian wants to wanted to speak up and she didnt allow it she said he has to speak to his lawyers and then the lawyers will tell the court but the problem was then julian said whats the point of asking me if i cant concentrate if im not at all can participate in this courtroom and she said well you are a participant like any other defendant and then he said well i am as much a participant of my own trial as i am a participant in the wimbledon because he is in the dark he is a beehive he cannot have. Confidential communication with lawyers there are everywhere cameras they are spies there are microphones he cannot be a car communicate privately he says of the other side the us the prosecution has 100 times more hours to communicate because in the back of the prosecutor is there are representatives of the state department of the u. S. And there are representatives of the u. S. Embassy they can communicate they can exchange immediately while the proceeding is going on but julian cannot do this and even the prosecutor was ok to say we are neutral we are not against that jordan a sauce can sit next to his lawyers to communicate with them but the judge refuses and this was really bizarre some said that the prosecutors representing the American Government the United States government if they became worried that a mistrial could happen because she appeared to be armed for she also said for this operates she could do nothing about the fact that. After day one in court. Sandras hanker after 11 years stripped naked twice and all his defense papers were taken away from him yes and he had to change 5 cells within this night and i mean i know jordan personally since 2012 and i was pretty much shocked when i saw him on day one. But what did you make of the judge saying she couldnt do anything about that thats up to the prison that isnt yet connected to this court yet thats i mean thats absurd on are from my point of view thats absurd because she is the judge of this trial she has a responsibility that the defendant is in health that the defendant is not mistreated by the personnel the staff of the prison she is a responsible person that this trial is under the rule of law and if she is not intervening as a judge that means that she is coming along with the situation. We use their when suddenly they are is the editor of in chief of wiki leaks christian elevens and is in the court and for no apparent reason they wanted to throw him out of the court yet it was just you know another shocking moment we were waiting in the entrance to the Public Gallery room together with kristen and i mean i have to say and add every morning its the same procedure with the staff of the prison and the court its actually the court every morning we have the argue as International Observers every morning we have to show our diplomatic passport and that we i have to show the letter of the government the minister of justice that im on the list as an observer and i can go through and every morning its the same procedure they deny and they dont leave me go through to the court every morning and this morning we had a discussion with kristen as well at the gate and then after that at the door to the Public Gallery the staff was asking him if if there is the chief editor of wiki leaks and we said do you mean in editing or someone special and he said yes someone special kristen half son and he said yes i am here and thats. The stuff that said youre not allowed to go into the Public Gallery you have to leave the building the court the whole building you have to leave and you say why and who set this form who comes this decision they said from the court and but i dont know why so he had to leave the building of course britain says this is independent of the United States. Which one are you about to tell me that you think the United States which says we kill it is a terrorist nonstate actor yeah well no one explained does this. John ship than the father of julian here want our to with all the other family members to make a protest on this and he said were not going to into the trial again if kristen halfs on as a coach the chief of editor of the caveats is not allowed to go with us to this trial and then after a while they said that the staff of the court ok you are allowed to go in the representatives of the Reporters Without Borders organisation and they were totally outrageous about this issue as well because they say thats an attack on press freedom of course if the chief editor of the killer leaks is not allowed to go to the court to the trial against the fallen off the kids see the European Union has said nothing about this case do you expect that because they dont want to intervene in nations although they arguably intervene in catalonia they intervened in france by allowing only normally i have to say of course its good if governments and the European Union the commission is not intervening into the internal affairs of other countries of soaring countries thats a good thing actually but then we have to be fair and dont do with in other cases as well but in this case its the council of europe and United Nations yes and the thing is now that its not its not an intervention into the internal Affairs Officer brain country if you say we have concern about these attacks on press freedom by the Trump Administration of. Because of the spanish act he is prosecuted and we are concerned about fair trade a trial here. If the if the rule of law or is now respected thats not intervention in the internal affairs and thats what the Parliamentary Assembly of the council of the its in the majority a vast majority said Julian Assange has to be released from prison now and he must not be extradited to the u. S. And its the same with a peel in germany where 10 former federal minister all liberal parties social democrats all green they all say he has to be really so thank you. After the break 34 hours ahead of the uns World Wildlife very much of the c. E. O. Of Conservation Charity bug life explains out chemical balti nationals on the p. G. A. Tour of the u. K. With anti insect regulation all this is all going on but youre going to grow. Thousands of american men and women choose to serve in the countrys military. Lives every thing came to a complete. The day that i was right all be instructed. You know all the shot of what they kill me and i see how it destroyed my life many screamed at me and he made me come in and you can my arm and he raped me with his birth thinking if you take into account that women dont report because of the extreme retaliation its probably somewhere near about half a 1000000 women have now been sexually assaulted in the us military rape is a very very traumatizing tat happen but ive never seen trauma like ive seen from women who are veterans who have suffered military so. Trauma reporting rape is more likely to get the victim punished than the offender by hand and almost 10 year career which i was very invested in and i gave that up to report a sex offender who was not even going to justice or put on the registry this is simply an hour in violence male sexual predators for the large part of target whoever is there to prey upon whether thats a man or woman. Welcome back as per specs a trade talks get underway in brussels how will the European Union deal with the massive insecticide multinationals looking just waterway regulation a newly even free u. K. According to Conservation Charity bug life 40 percent of insect species are threatened with extinction woods insecticides raking in billions c. E. O. Of bug life from a child who thinks its time for best control Chemical Companies to bugger off he joins me now matt welcome to going underground im going to ask a question that you believe may be more pertinent to you perhaps dont think it is or you think its out of context hundreds of thousands of children will die this year because of malaria and yet your own organization that is lobbying against the mass extinction of insects insects of course which distribute malaria why overseas its not just the malarial mosquitoes that were talking about were talking about the whole breadth of animal life on this planet over 70 percent of the species live on this planet are invertebrates and the a few of them do cause us problems when mosquitoes that murder people theyre not doing it deliberately they just happen to be a vector or Something Else for the science can find solutions of things or of capitalism its been cold actually i thank you for that but ive got to also about how there is hope in your campaign unique its a noise we covered on going underground and its very early episodes of this show and youve been successful in other activist groups and other green groups here today when it took years so you have to remember the. Chemicals are out there in the environment all over our great deal fields all over the e. U. Theyre still alive agricultural fields in other countries around the world harming the babies and causing long term damage in the u. K. Over 40 percent of the bees i studied they went extinct in more than 10 percent of the places that they were living as a direct result of using those chemicals and they are quite right we managed to get great steps forward with getting most of the worst ones banned its never quite that simple though you know why is it not quite simple they havent been happening and i did it in this country so they banned the worst ones where theres lots of evidence they let it out on the most evidence of harm to the environment the butterflies to be ultimately diverse and to ask us out betty to produce food and to to to feed ourselves so you know that theyve got rid of some of the absolute worst ones but they continue to approve new ones that may be just as harmful as the old ones that theyre not testing them the other issue is that they havent banned the wood uses so it made a cooperate which is one of the oldest and most persistent of these incredibly toxic insecticides is still used on cats and dogs and when this gets on to the bedding that the cats and dogs are lying in it then gets washed into the search system and into the rivers around the country where it causes damage there and at the moment the people are buying these products dont even know that its potentially damaging to freshwater life im sure the manufacturers of the pet medications dont going to agree at all that its completely safe in fact as you know the Chemical Companies which have huge lobbies in the European Union for so long rejected unique huge annoyed as being a bad thing what do you make now of the Crop Protection associations a member of the e. U. Funded european Crop Protection association claiming opposed brix it u. K. Can reintroduce maybe glyphosate unique huge annoyance one of these called claw. P. Rosen. You have such crazy names you might almost think that but those names that we wouldnt talk about the money. So yes the Multinational Companies the biggest ones are massive massive corporates and of course theyre in the game of us playing one country off another and about a 3rd of countries around the planet dont actually have proper pesticide regulation at all and those sorts of countries overseas open to exploitation by those who are trying to abuse their naivety if you like and im sure our politicians would say theyre immune to the lobbying of big multibillion dollar Multinational Companies taking them out for dinner. Well i wouldnt believe theyre guessing you wouldnt believe that im guessing its not people who i dont know if you are going to believe that are they so so that you know that theyre very much playing one country off another and that means that even when they know that something causes harm whether thats to the environment or to people they have to keep going with saying that it doesnt because otherwise those other countries might twig that actually theyre being sold something thats damaging their phone features and when groups like yours secure victories constant vigilance i noticed that a Group Calling itself the gleick for seed Renewal Group im not sure thats an appeal to conservation relish funded by bayer owned which owns them in santa anson guenter campaigning for the e. U. Reauthorization in 2022 of life estate and we got a life as exhibit a different issue so the evidence of the say it is around human health but obviously like all herbicides it does take out the flowers the insects depend on so over use of herbicides thats bad for wildlife but it doesnt surprise me in a way that you know theyre seeing braxtons as not it destroys intercultural ive seen less of that so the European Parliament recently voted to improve the test the testing regime to make it safe for b s which the commission has failed to do and the Parliament Just voted over 500 votes to 60 votes in favor of strengthening the protection for babies by improving the regulation of insecticide so you know the European Parliament is definitely on side with were n