And welcome to cross talk where all things are considered im Peter Lavelle the russia game lives on the sequel has just been released starring of course donald trump but also now Bernie Sanders indeed russia gate has achieved cult like status also turkey on the ropes in syria. Cross talking some real news im joined by my guest here in moscow dimitri shes a political analyst and editor it interests me internet media project and in london we cross to Marcus Papadopoulos hes the editor of politics 1st magazine all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate let me go to london 1st marcus we have all of this going on in the United States with the president ial election and Mike Bloomberg and Bernie Sanders and russia gate but meanwhile in syria a lot is happening its very very dangerous it could internationalize the war again so what my question is to you and it centers on what in the world is turkey trying to pull off there it is breaking its all of its agreements and its making the situation worse when the when the war is finally coming to an end marcus in london. Let me set the scene by say that turkey and russia are traditional foes and if anyone is in doubt of this i would refer them to how turkey aided easily missed separatist militants not just in chechnya but also in pakistan and in the shanty earth during the 99. 00 seas or so despite the handshakes and smiles between earth again and foods in turkey and russia are involved in a proxy war with each other today in syria similar to how soviet and american leaders would meet each other when their countries were involved in quote civil wars of each other in vietnam and afghanistan now turning to elites turkey overstretched itself when it is both itself illegally in syria and it turning points in turkey in syria was when this hurt shot down a russian Fighter Aircraft at the end of 2015 because ever since then lusha has significant leverage over turkey when it comes to syria lets not forget that it was earth again who flew to set pieces but at the beginning of 2016 so made sweet crude. And sucrose fusillade apologized to putin for the shooting down of that russian aircraft why kate did earth again do that 1st because of the serious here russian sanctions yet that includes in place on the turkish economy but there was another raise that if you have a look in the immediate period after that search shot down that russian aircraft up until earth again flew to said he spoke to apologize the pogues in their office spying in the amounts of turkish soldiers and Police Officers who are dying in combat were. The p. K. And the p. K. K. And russia are traditional friends so i will leave it to cross hopes to draw their own conclusions on that matter you know this supports the say that says that a turkey in syria is at the mercy of russia we saw in greece and dates how the. Destroyer. Acts and so. With one word of condemnation on ankara finally plates i would submit this to turkey has been left on its own in syria by American Society russia on its own similar to how the americans left the british and the french in egypt space the soviet union during the suit so this canal crisis you know the you know theres been some noise being made pompei was backing the turkeys claims and on goals all that but they havent really done anything yet and i doubt Donald Donald trump will pursue that as he so close to the his reelection bid here but Marcus Papadopoulos is is really right ever since russia was invited in to end the conflict in syria and this is essentially a conflict against terrorism there and terrorists and countries around the world that support terrorists turkey is one of them theres a lot at stake here is this again one of everyones bluffing games because if it is maybe it works at home it hasnt worked with the russians at all and i would even say the russian side is show enormous restraint in patients go ahead oh well i would say that this is just one more order against mistakes it was a mistake in the 1st place to go against syria he had a Good Relationship with with president up until 2011 they went in together and let me remind you that this was one of the reasons why the walled kind of crease. To stay in power longer than any previous turkish Prime Minister he sportive see in the early 2000 was good relations with all the neighbors you know even with armenia unfortunately he detour from the border here later on and syria was the main disaster i think but i would add detail to work marcus has just said so the sequence of events in september 2015 Russian Air Force pilots operate in in syria let me remind you that before that for 11 months the socalled coalition had been born being the socalled Islamic State isis and i just continue to expend some how well they didnt do what they did is they bombed the infrastructure of syria to create a failed state in the literal exactly that they didnt fight isis it was a very strange bomb being which somehow was a company and by strengthening all of the Islamic State after russia moved in in september 2015 these states started to shrink and now its almost nonexistent and caught but. In the end of 2050 in the darwinian over the russian plane saladino relations in some 2016 the failed coup attempt against aragon which is very mysterious i will not make any claims. After that. Is very distrustful of the United States and a lot more positive about russia even though but what we know really started before that thats what makes this let me go back to marc is this is this is what makes it really so such a murky situation here because everyone has got himself again in a situation hes boxed himself in because he doesnt want to lose face here and the russians. Lost in this last december negotiated a a dignified withdrawal to actually clean up the remnants of this of these terrorist cells in and he has broken his word again how do we get out of this quagmire without a major conflict marcus. Well let me just add to the previous comments by saying it wasnt in the interests of france to invade russia relates in trouble it was in the interests of napoleon if we take the Current Situation in syria it wasnt in the interests of turkey to invoke itself in syria but it was the interests of erdogan to vote so indeed in syria but where do we go from here well its very very clear that the syrian army is advancing rapidly in italy and bat by the Russian Military and also that spite the youre a new military it is almost over again streams over extending turkish influence into the middle east fight he can hold off parts of syria its especially because the americans have told him in no Uncertain Terms that they are not going to come to his rescue so the turkish army is not go into engages in a military confrontation with Russian Military because it would be it would be military suicide for it to do so so i think that serbs publicly are say that they will resist the socalled aggression of the Syrian Government and the syrian army but in private they will be saying very different words to the russians over again now it needs a dignified literally its ok for a moment that mark is there but as weve already been there weve already been in that situation in the medina weve already been in that situation i mean what now is because like i said the new russia certainly doesnt want to get into into a major conflict with turkey since relations between the 2 countries have been proven immensely over the last 3 or 4 years in russia will not get into the conflict for a very simple reason out of a guy what in a much better position to attack and basically occupy syria in 2012 all of the western world will. Against syria mr sarkozy convened the so called friends of syria you know summit in which all the western countries took part you know those of countries so if he didnt attack than or rather hes tried and they failed he knows hes going to feel now because it is just a small part all the syrian deputy of the government controls 90 percent of syria he is in the works but with a situation right now his real dilemma is this 2 things number one as the syrian army moves to regain control of all of the dissolve into including the illegal occupation of the the americans there youre going to have these terrorist cells they only have one place to go north up so to turkey so he cultivated them protected them armed them money. But now when the game is over were they go theyre not going to surrender to assad and his forces theyre going to have one escape route where they came from. Theres also im sorry and the civilians and ability dont forget about you know the libyan people already very unfortunate after theyre. The western countries in the establish democracy is that they need in this country and then theyre going to be you know their next misfortune is going to be their various comment to them you know basically are gone said that hes going to transport some of them to libya i think that will be a solution for him because these people are dangerous. But. Made a mistake on every step of the way but hes made a mistake was he was not resolute and often he is a position to the United States he took the decision why as 400. 00 missiles from russia will stay with it but you know and then we have south stream turks dream we have that very important always wants to. Pull and eat it you know he always wants to paly russia against the United States and the west. Against russia and he always fails because the more than the west the stability tarion it doesnt forgive unfaithfulness he was unfaithful to them with their 400 theyre not going to forgive it you know theyre going to go after him i feel down thats thats why the west is to tell you terry and now it doesnt think so russia understands it very well so if you look at the. Speeches of fortune about the situation in if you need to abandon syria if you look at the statements from that foreign minister ok the Defense Ministry is pretty you know like different. People they say that that there is a get a deal of support from turkey they are telling the truth why is their Foreign Ministry less you know more soft spoken we know that the west is not going to support him and he is going to block for some one time and then thats what hes good at here Marcus Papadopoulos thank you for joining in this part of the program were going to go to a short break now and after that short break well continue our discussion and some real nice things. In a picture. Im going to fulfill that promise is possible to the people. You know weve all pots it was. Very very. Very rare. That you want to. Know. 5 they. Join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and ill be speaking to guest of the world of politics or business im show business ill see you the. Welcome back to cross talk where all Things Considered im Peter Lavelle remind you were discussing some real news. And now were joined by alexander in london he is a writer on Legal Affairs as well as an actor in chief of the duran dot com alex welcome to the program here well we have the sequel of the russian gauge lives on i thought it was in traction but no it has new life and its the same figure is in the swamp in the Intel Community that tells us its alive and kicking and that in the sequel as you well notice Bernie Sanders is playing a very important if not leading role so in one way donald trump and Bernie Sanders have to share the stage in equal terms i have to say that i am of a gas by this i thought weve been through it enough times but it seems to be the only thing that keeps the political establishment in the media together on their war against donald trump when its what 250 odd days out for a general election president ial election go ahead alex well it absolutely i mean it went what did they say you know history. Its a self the 1st time is tragedy the 2nd time is fast now its repeating itself as fast followed by further fast because this is completely false equal we now have both donald trump and the leader of the right in the United States and bernies on the leader of the left in the United States and russia supposedly is helping and manipulating both i mean its so crazy that you know one wonders have people in the United States taken completely leave of their senses i mean it is it is on that level of total absurdity and consider we have the New York Times promoting the myth the russian help for trump we have the Washington Post promoting the myth of russian help from Bernie Sanders its the 2 newspapers a wreck or the 2 big traditional newspapers that have been drawn out to do paul this sort of game now you know the other thing i have to say is you know never never give up apparently on a failed strategy it didnt work with donald drug so what do you do you try again and you actually expand it and im hearing that Bernie Sanders is doing very well in nevada yeah so its obvious youre ok with that well carry on but thats exactly where i want to go i just want it also stress agreement or viewers again based on Anonymous Sources of course ok but this is all happening for a reason and ill give you my scenario here you had the conviction and sentencing of roger stone for for the pushers of people that support him back this Conspiracy Theory this ridiculous hoax they needed that conviction and so to to make to legitimize at least. On over there one of them then and now and then we have the this week coming up we have the extradition trial of Julian Assange being tied to being tied to russia and now we have this and against Bernie Sanders and the reason why theyre doing against Bernie Sanders because hes winning hes we need yes you got more than 50 percent in nevada that is in a stone being outcome this is all connected together thats why the resurrecting it well there is a long thing that is war destructive than there over the Mainstream Media in the United States that is there a lot. They poured so much on job i had done that now with joe biden is losing despite his huge Financial Support and the Media Support why they loved him so much they kept him that he had nothing to do with police mark and finally tens of millions of americans want to ignore the name of that Ukrainian Company very well and i think it basically destroyed destroy joe bidens complaint you know what. I meant back to what you just said well i think that. You know these complain about he is involvement with russia is so absurd or only he can destroy his chances you know when he said my message to russia stay out of American Election well my message to kim lees dont be. You know dawn the same theory as that story your chance to to be nominated in 2016 you know alex you know one of the things i find very interesting in looking at the coverage of this. Gay sions from these Anonymous Sources it seems to me theyre like living in a time capsule you know Bernie Sanders visited moscow on his honeymoon actually i think it was he came during the soviet knew there was a sister city thing i think it was moscow on a city in her in vermont i mean there was a reason for him to be here he happened to be having his honeymoon here at the same time but theyre trying to stretch this out is that russia is if russia is still a communist country that theyre making this really weird connections and thats something that is you know upbeat 30 years ago but for the media its still the same narrative in it and for in their minds because nothing is ever changed in the country ive lived in for 30 years it must be the same and the same bernie the same commie is now getting support from from from the kremlin yeah i mean i mean it shows. A really lot of depth any lack of depth of knowledge go ahead well theres absolutely no knowledge i mean this is one of the things that came across from me very clearly throughout russia gate and right at the very center of the u. S. Intelligence Community World there is a basic failure of knowledge about russia now cannot you say russia is in some ways the regime in all of this because it is being constantly blames by the u. S. Political establishment the militant center as i think somebody called it of the United States for whatever goes against you star bridgeman so if the left does well thats russias fault if the right does well thats russias fall and russia is constantly used in this way in american parties and struggles and the result is that russia gets sanctioned russia gets criticized its political leaders get demonized and the whole process prospect of improved relations between the United States and russia 2 extremely important countr