A lot of power was clear on these nothing of course that i have a politics out and i have to decide where that want to lead she Going Forward will be clear in these months is up enough to play the man beside. Deputy labor leadership candidate Richard Bergen there joining me now is someone who refuses to be silent of a jury of songe pink floyd cofounder roger waters roger thanks for coming in the studio at last this line of the finely exactly youve been campaigning for julia songe eloquently there you talked about there by Richard Bergen you know that the british Guardian Newspaper or maybe channel 4 news if you watch that you could be forgiven for thinking you and Richard Bergen and others are basically convening for brush an agent whos committed sex crimes i mean everything that hes said now is true and. How theyre even having these sex titian. Trial for Julian Assange is weird because its goes completely contrary as we know to u. K. Law so our law the law of this country the law that supposed to represent always tradition treaty with the united today has a treaty but it specifically precludes anything that could be claimed to be a political crime or a political misdemeanor which obviously this is because julian his son is only crime is to speak the truth to the people and hes speaking truth though to a powerful elite who do not want the truth spoken to the people the kind of Risky Service obviously believes that the espionage act that hacking these are crimes that you can exude i think they do i think has 600000 the powers that be in washington d. C. Have decided that they want julian killed or at least imprisoned for the rest of his is health its extremely poor. And and they want to be locked up forever that as an example its frightening to know that any minute they could be that standard issue kicking in the door and your phone and i stuffed into beaumarchais where you will stay until theyve had their way with you which is to silence you and any who might follow you which is it which is i mean apart from the fact that Julian Assange. Is clearly a great journalists he went he went in he went to places that other journalists were not going and he developed methods. To help we the people to find out the truth of what was going on in our names in other posts and the like as Richard Bergen was saying the collateral murder in baghdad well why do you think then that Amnesty International has chosen to declare a surge is new prisoner of conscience. I did not know that what an earth does not me i mean im im asking you because you know you have said you can probably explain to me them what the hell is a prisoner of conscience theyve come up amnesty have in the in the last few years come up with some very strange fever some very strange things that are not necessarily based on anything that you and i might consider to be the fact of the matter how entrenched did these elite forces then kiss starmer secure stormers one of the leading candidates to replace Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the opposition nearly oversaw as the head of the Prosecution Service here the edge persecution of julian. Is it all through our society or their closely is that you know politicians politicians that tricky animals because theyve always got one eye on them on the meter theyre always looking to see where they stand how much power they have how popular they are or they arent well horrific arenas have to perform and the lot of them delivered over musicians to a very young aspiring musician later taylor swift as someone started talking like you presumably rick would do the Recording Companies would get quite alone at alienating audiences well that it is true in my in my industry absolutely. Theres not a great you dont hear Straight Talking coming out of im 76 years old ive been doing this for 55 years i was a big you know not quite so. And also. I have survived to date with but now brith had counted wrote a letter to the major m. O. P. Saying that it was appalling that they were what is having tickets for my shows what they always claim is the im a self of no a valid they said a woman of about long standing a vowed anti semi who spreads a treat. Thats a could according to them and they do it because i support b. D. S. Because i support human rights lawyer divestment and sanctions a vote could have essman and there was the e. U. Does not support now explicitly do you think theres Something Different about this obviously jeremy corby was heavily attacked for supporting palestine and Bernie Sanders whose relatives died in the holocaust this some of been accusing Bernie Sanders of anti semitism trying to hang in there trying the time to hang over in support of ellison his son is with the same code that they hung kolby him with by smearing smear tactics and this trait sure of julian is so this posted the use it now with the with the flag. This is why we feel a lot of the time well the d. N. C. Obviously has been religious to be attacking Bernie Sanders over the primary season just as they did in 2016 where they prevented him from becoming the next president of the United States then could you see why people at the games are russian agent because they stem from wiki leaks the game russia gave the you know russia has been the biggest waste of time literally wasting everybodys time for the last where did it come from i mean its so due to chris there were about an identifiable ball steering the 2016 how in a minute what Foreign Countries interfering in american elections what about 100000000. 00 that adelson has just given to dung trump the game reelected theres a lot of money arguably also going to certain interests in latin america trying to overturn the the old pink tide if we have a little bit of those we know thats how the game works on going to was hosted by Prime MinisterBoris Johnson in downing street he met with foreign secretary dominic rob what do you make of these pictures of him being feted here in london. It makes me want to throw up because guido is of the right wing thug who was used by the United States government as the figurehead in there or sent to overthrow the julie elected democratic. Government of the sovereign country of venezuela in contravention of every International Law and the un charter and Everything Else because why because they want to make money this isnt a hidden secret war legal silva during the eightys this is the European Union and britain both recognizing what it was your show is how it was a city a state in the attack by near liberal economics and by the war mongering of the powerful elites how insidiously has wormed its way into places of power its a bit like in germany the blondish coming out and declaring. B. D. s a 38 member now what they said but they had to submit it they say so you have well i mean all leadership labor candidates well the arguably agree that you know. How to. I mean every time theres no election when i was a kid our front room was a Committee Room for the local labor party whoa the local labor party from 55 on and before that for the coming this party so my mom would be turning in no growth a lot of people have also been saying why do leftwing candidates like corbin like saunders talk about palestine why do they talk about venezuela these are irrelevant to me you are liberal destruction a manufacturing jobs why are they relevant because you always campaign on these particular issues that everyday people concerned about their own lives might not think relevant to this trust me. 2 of my great heroes in life are ken loach and john pilger who sadly colby areas in australia ago a note from him him this morning but ive seen joan poaches 2 hour long documentary in its school the the dirty war on the n. H. S. And its about the dismantling of the National Health service in this country so if you really want to get me started i could weep. So he gets a day knowing that the National Health service which is the jury in the crown of the possible that seats away might be moving towards a more equitable world after the 2nd world war to see it being sold down the river by the Boris Johnson since on a pleasant that as of this world. Just breaks my heart its disaster for it to be privatized any of it well be that wolf roger waters up with a short break plus is the death of british t. V. Star Caroline Flack renewed scrutiny of Rupert Murdochs media empire we speak to a man at the heart of a u. K. Inquiry into Mainstream Media got nominated steve coogan about media manipulation and his new film greed satirizing the billionaires of the fashion industry told a simple coming up of blood to have going underground. In this new preview called problem with not a moon but in your circles modesty. And you know. The much for the good with a little with 3 minutes to do it when theyre. Pointing good sort of when youre already in the eastern seaboard you know maybe it seems that strange. City. That. I 1st heard about we can exist in a song. The helicopter folks here in iraq. I think get down to the people who do you mean and i mean u. S. Military who have never forgiven him for this guys a traitor a treasonous and and he has broken every law the United States illegally should. He was really historic to have. Independent journalist with his computer exposing you is a lot of crimes and to a global audience. The idea of developing an anonymous. And applying it to a Media Organization that is what he makes that was the 1st. I didnt the toy interest between would be for a short while world right and wrong one of the worlds most powerful News Organization standard founder Julian Assange. And there was a great deal of jealous in the mainstream towards him particularly why wont he be more like off seem. Mean feces on the walls. Smile. We have julia in solitary confinement in the prison for terrorists away perhaps a life in person the person. I dont want to see him die in prison. And i think thats what hes facing. Nuclear power plants have become a battleground in the u. S. In vermont people are demanding the shut down of a local plant from my yankee is right now my focus because its a very Dangerous Nuclear power plant the owner is attempting to run the reactor beyond its operational limits this case just sort of puts a magnifying glass on wheres the power in this country wheres it going is it moving more towards corporate interests who or is it more in the idea of a traditional participatory democracy is power line with the people this case demonstrates that struggle in very real ways a struggle on r. T. Welcome back im still with roger waters interconnectedness here that i really addressing with you guys julie that suddenly we should just now hes talking about guantanamo torture is do you know about the killing of journalists and civilians in iraq but then all of this talk about pharmaceutical companies and all sorts of corruption wrongdoing is all around the around the world you see this as a hugely interconnected it is hugely interconnected and thats thats one thing that may help some is that people are in the streets in some of the the in chile right where where it started with a tiny crease in subway faces something. Now there is a movement in latin america and south america but also the in france and maybe one day there will even be an uprising in the United Kingdom to say enough so. But it was the other uprisings as a board johnson well supposedly he wanted to huge majority in poland was coming to us will come to that but you know before i do in colombia now even though they even though the government there is very very extremely right wing and theres a dictatorship in the people who are on a general strike the whole country is rights as well and bolivia theyre not theyre refusing to accept the coup again u. S. Financed coup that has just taken place getting rid of the jubilee democratic again britain recognizes the new leader of bolivia well 1st johnson would say anything. I mean and i find it very difficult you know to kape straight face even but the mention of that buffoons name im sorry. Half but its no different than the United States where i live how do you get these people rise into these positions of extraordinary political power arguably donald trump who came to power in an antiwar ticket i mean i i spoke to judaisms in the Ecuadorian Embassy about how Hillary Clinton could will of got us into a full scale war involving syria im sure she trump was an antiwar. Yes and yet and yet United States involvement in the wars abroad has actually increased in their spending more money on it than they were in any Previous Administration under trump i mean and lets not write off the possibility that trump may do something credibly insanely stupid at the behest of the neocons visibly iran is ready has murdering that murdering customs eliminate again exactly well if you can get millions around the world to support during a songe like he is a latter day nelson mandela. I didnt a g politics at least as we. Presumably theres been massive progress on it since you started out but even in their. Own leg kills the manning who is refusing to testify against really isnt its day 346 of her it because our ancient tongue credit was a brave woman people think Chelsea Manning is a traitor and that she deserves everything that she gets the hatred was so intense music has been such a great part of rebellion against elites over history obviously in south africa and so on presumably thats why you turned up outside the home office here to protest about the incarceration of julie the surge hardly any people turned up i have have to say are you saying that again propaganda hardly any people turned up and not a single word was printed in any english or american newspaper of that event apart from an r t but obviously what turned this is that all the Television Networks here would say no one told them dont cover roger waters singing wish you were here in ignorance of performance so its a would its in their heads. Oh. People arent stupid where you think journalists coming out and in bed drove sit in their hundreds of thousands to defend judea you dont have to write peoples foreheads so they read it every morning when they go up to shave they go oh look of mustnt step out of line or i wont get that promotion i was because i wont be given that job over this one how about what happens when you fly a big pig above a demonstration of the mother of all parliaments what are you drawing to do will get attention that for instance a pig that would go flying over here now. Has got a big picture of the American Flag over his face and it says free is in on the of the so it is describes the moment where its going to start from whats going to finish and the fact going to be on it and im going to open my big mouth in public so. For me the pick has become a way of attracting attention to it because people recognize it so its familiar its a bit like we dont need no education is familiar to most people its in their minds so that in and if you want to get peoples attention then and and and. You have access to Iconic Images so well it is lyrics and news do you think the tide is now turning in julius underage favor even some Mainstream Media outlets may be reporting on this trial starting on monday and realizing that the very same out of the reporting of the case may not be able to do journalism i think. Fingers crossed you know. One dreads to show any faith that just at this particular moment while hes languishing in belmarsh in a tiny cell a man has committed no crime and as we know the strains of being absolutely pulled from the United States its a tiny courtroom and its almost full of american advisors american lawyers sitting behind the english q. C. Whos prosecuting these prosecuting the case so will you we will those of us who care about democracy and freedom and human rights and more importantly running mate and the magna carta and english jurisprudence and the law desperately want to believe that the law will prevail because this is not the law its a Kangaroo Court and to have a Kangaroo Court taking place in my homeland distresses me beyond all belief is this what my father my grandfather died for no its not we need to be able to rely on the law and this is a sure or come on people lets lets. Take to the streets where i am or you will just thank you well while Julian Assange just been mostly ignored by Mainstream Media one story that hasnt is the death of reality t. V. Host Caroline Flack questions similar to those are asked after the deaths of Princess Diana and Amy Wineho