A thorough aggressive investigation to determine how this leak occurred to identify the person or persons responsible. Person. And i think thats what hes facing trying to much older brother and will we. Have any reason to suggest that hes not hes trying to expose the crimes that have that 2nd meeting at. The. I dont think you can really understand Julian Assange. Or wiki leaks without seeing an aspect of his life that informed him and that was absolutely here in melbourne and informed him not only. In terms of his ideas. His personality his expertise but also his conceptual thinking about forming software projects including working. So melbourne in the late eightys and early ninetys became the center of the strain underground which included others and experimenters and also how theres not just in the sense of people who broke into things illegally but also people who just experimented with. It didnt take long for australias Hacking Community to embrace the Young Julian Assange as teenagers they spent most of their time online but did occasionally venture out and when they did meet in this square in central melbourne. This is the historic its right town hall and it was the site along with some other Historic Town halls in melbourne. And other members of that Technology Community were here in their late teens and early 26 shopping for computer bits and exchanging ideas and information about how to experiment with hardware and software. Versus. Men and women into. Computer. Capacity and used. To be used to memory and. To do. Just that it would be for a short time. One of the worlds most. Its very interesting the hacker mentality from this time period they wanted the thrill of getting into the system that was ted. And the more procedures the in the institution the more thrilled they got so if they could break into a nasa computer these were the smartest people they were the people who would put man on the moon really if you could break into their systems then you could prove to yourself youre a 17 year old boy you 2 are very smart. The u. S. Space agency nasa is one of the victims of the melbourne computer Hacking Syndicate american investigators including the f. B. I. Contacted astray you know thora g. s with the suspicions. Of the 16th 1989 nasa was attacked by what was known as the virus that caused a Space Shuttle launch in florida to be postponed and was traced to australian hackers in melbourne the wenck worm was one of the 1st ever worms that had been written and it was certainly the 1st politically motivated wireman that carried a political message that message was a quote from the Midnight Oil Song and that quote was you talk of times of peace for all and then prepare for war. This thing that was the way. It emerged from a sort of deep dark forest you got a glimpse of it and then disappeared again and the authors have never been found although some see this might be one of jewel in a songes. People have lots of different views on these things. Julian was very lucky growing up in that although he grew up in a fairly poor family canonically it was very rich intellectually. Julians father is a very clever and creative person and quite sensitive i think hes been enormously important to Julians Development as a young adult. As a young man joanne was. A daughter her choice. His nickname were wizard because he would always be hard to come up with a near approach to things your way of looking at things. What a number of person have said to me is that. They get a different perspective on the world from the systems theyve been in and thats because they are able to see the actual information these are. Directly contradicting what an organization may say publicly or someone a politician may say publicly they understand that the public is being told something that is just not just a little lie often its a very big lie that helped maybe develop enjoins mind. The super importance of Media Organizations being able to report accurately on information. And the jury was at my place and we were having a cup of tea to your was. A note for 2006 or Something Like that required a. Jury and said. Id like to stop and we can do. This week he would concern so certainly. And we reduced very tall as an anonymous for people who want to really information. That information or. Did you try to warn him about anything at that. World with. A young man. And on the cusp of life you dont care warnings very well how can i help. But ive always taken natures aphorism. To heart and leave diners for me. Leave dangers dont creep around the place being frightened of shadows. Do what you have to do than face the consequences and best you can. Be mine. All mine on. The net is a. Valid. Excuse or just want to. Hear that we had burst out the opposition so. I 1st heard about it with nixon you know aside. From the helicopter flights. In iraq the famous was he was where we saw. The helicopter shoot people on the ground but all of. Them on. The Helicopter Shot up some civilians and in the process shot to royces jonas to local forces jones and they also shot up some children in a car. A minor. No no when i go on down. Korean. American military personnel misidentified civilians as rebels. From overhead it looked as though one of the men had a gun. But it was just a reuters camera man holding a long. Did they saw the collateral but mortar b. T. O. City as we know for get. The forget because they escaped it was what the 1st time as i was screaming loud at my own feast this souldiers r us with dissed emotional detachment as they were playing video games and now with the lives of people in such a cool way. Here is actual shocking video footage fact irrefutable evidence of what happened and what has been described to me by one retired military person actually here in australia as undoubtedly a war crime i want to go way off i want to go off to the shooting of july 13th 2007 u. S. Military commanders justified the attack claiming that its troops had been in battle with Hostile Forces might serve over. Approaching a big and on the body. But 2 children well did they were in a van when their father approached the scene of the shooting to help to mr horn we have individual going. To go up on. The monitor. Roger and. When a. Player. It was really fascinating for me was when i saw an interview with an american soldier who was there on that spot after they killed them and shot them and it was the young. Army officer who went to the van and discovered there were 2 children at that were wounded he said the little girl couldnt blink because her eyes were full of glass and he tried to remove the cross from her eyes when he spoke to his supervisor and wanted to take her to a decent hospital he was told wash out your vagina. For the 1st time we understood. The civilian casualties the innocent people who were killed in both afghanistan and iraq and this was all kept from the public. Showing some showed real bravery in being willing to publish frankly and fearlessly that is idio and i think that there are people within the u. S. Military who have never forgiven him for it. That helicopter attack resulted in 12 deaths 2 children one did no one from the American Military has ever been held accountable. Oh dear. Me again. I cant show you my face but im going to teach you must store in 9093 this man was sentenced to death. They could charged with capital murder even though he didnt have the gun didnt pull the trigger didnt intend to kill anybody imagine living in your bathroom for the week which is the end of the 23 years. Ive been out that i deserved to be. Confined within 4 gray walls. It seems it. Turned out help him to leave this room. Nuclear become a battleground in the us in vermont people have demanding the shutdown of a local plant from my yankee is right now my focus because its a very dangerous oh no claire power plant the owner is attempting to run the reactor beyond its operational limit this case just sort of puts a magnifying glass on wheres the power in this country wheres it going is it moving more towards corporate interests or is it more in the idea of a traditional participatory democracy is a power line with the people this came. Demonstrates that struggle in very real ways. A struggle. To 2 months ago most people never read the site. Here is here if youre interested in hearing from the only analyst on credible revelation on the wiki one site see in this small room. With these are the years. After collateral Julian Assange revealed his identity and was known i mean it was front page news all over the world at that point. Only to Julian Assange to become a hold global topic but hed found a way to publish classified information and made it available to anyone who wanted to share as someone elses secrets the idea of developing an anonymous digital dropbox and applying it to a Media Organization that is wiki leaks that was the 1st people hadnt really done that before that was that was Julian Assange. It enabled the whistleblower who were. Low cost with just the right to. Use of the right tools to anonymously. Blow the whistle by transmitting like large amounts of data. The day we released over 287. Documenting the reality of an International Mass surveillance industry. Who here has. Been has a blackberry. He uses g. Mail. Well youre all screwed. What is this place and where were all those files actually kept. In the cloud. Its somewhere. Julian magically brought together. Computers digitalize our asian and information and before we were. When someone called you know songs knocked on the door from my club i was quite pleased to see him i was quite keen that we would have somebody who was making the news. My names form smith im a journalist. But more i run something called the Frontline Club which i founded which is a press club and. It all happened in this room i mean julian literally turned up and knocked on the door and literally knocked on the door 2 days before that press conference saying i want a press conference on today and i saw quite literally and so we arranged a press conference from and it was on a monday morning he was standing here. He was up here and we had a podium we have that podium and we had it here and he was standing here and its from this position he raised up the guardian front page. And you know thats when the whole thing started so this is the guardian from this morning 40 to 40 pages about this topic. Also 3 cars lead in the spiegel 17 pages. Just a couple of months after the video of the baghdad helicopter attack against civilians was published yet more revelations appeared this time it was the afghanistan and iraq dossier is. The afghanistan and iraq does the us classified pentagon files only u. S. And allied military activity in afghanistan and iraq from 2004 to 2009. These were logs that were written by. Members of the military might be out at the front door patrolling an area and might be thinking 16 or accepting they experienced on their shift or patrol so it was almost a sort of a very detailed war diary. By the americans and the british but it didnt occur to me that it could be so informative. Because it was a huge data sets 400000 classified reports field reports by the u. S. Army this is the most accurate description of the whole it is it was being released into the story we are counted now 120000 in the sunni triangle teams in the war is nearly no Street Corner in baghdad that didnt have a body that fell into being killed 3 bonds and one form or another. What we found out from iraq and afghanistan dosia is the u. S. Under these allegedly under reported civilian casualties prisoners of war was subjected to violent acts of torture of the u. S. Military personnel who were reportedly involved in child prostitution. And you have published his publishing secrets the government stops losing control of the narrative that had a narrative in iraq. No civilian did. And then they lost control of that narrative because we found out the truth. Thats the power of we hear a the battlefield consequences of the release of these documents are potentially severe and dangerous for our troops our allies and the afghan partners and may well damage our relationships and reputation in that key part of the war and one of the main criticisms thats being leveled at you is that you have publicists the. Villages at the names and some cases the g. P. S. Coordinates of people afghans who cooperated with the u. S. Military and a u. S. Official has called it a potential hit list for the taliban whats your response to that there was some peers to mostly be a paedophile ring where were looking at the issue seriously to see whether that is true and approach the white house to austin for assistance in reviewing material before we published the white house in order to accept their request they always say all they have blood on their hands they get people in danger but i think if anyone would have been killed because they would have dragged to the person in front of the camera all proved it taken against them soldiers i think its just a blatant lie is it possible that the 1st tranche of dollars have from the afghan war logs could have been better redacted yes quite probably they could have been better protected had anyone ever done this before no there was no roadmap i mean killing a soldier and wiki leaks they were bushwhacking through thick forests to try and figure out how to do this. The afghanistan and iraq dont see just what the biggest leak of a. War crimes allegedly perpetrated by the us can be generalized. No one from americas military has ever been held accountable. And. A little bit over 10 years ago i was contacted by. A person. Who i didnt know at that point environmental. Wanted to meet with me and they met a. Person who spoke with a very strong australian accent and he told me that they had a Problem Program if it wanted to do a project. Where we met. My. In this show. The feeling was that this was. Completely outlandish and there was nothing to it so we parted way but we kept contact and a little bit later. Came the publications of the collateral murder video where you could see helicopter gun down thats a u. S. Helicopter in iraq gunning down reuters journalists in an open street and so when i realized that he was serious about isnt ever. Julian assange invited yohannes to work with him on a new collection of classified documents that had fallen into wiki leaks hands. This time correspondence from the United States diplomatic service. And diplomatic cables. That we can leaks published a little bit later they were a set of internal briefings if you put it this way or analysis. That all of the american diplomats. Wrote and delivered back to the state department. Leaked u. S. Diplomatic cables published on november 28th 2010 it contains u. S. Diplomatic correspondents from 966. 00 to 2010 and includes 100000 documents marked confidential and 15000. 00 marked secret. You have to understand the scale of this release of information if we took these cables and we printed them out into and they would go betweens in petersburg and moscow it is that much material i can give you a simple example of what was interest in those cables in regard to sweden because i worked with the materials that were related in these documents we could see here and thats we just politicians of them come to the u. S. Ambassador. And they ask for services for the services they would ask for would be. We have a problem with the swedish Public Opinion they would say and the swedish Public Opinion doesnt like the war in afghanistan and they dont want us to participate and they werent going to stop could you please help us there by inviting in some afghani women here its weve done that and well put them on the swedish t. V. So they can talk about the good things that were doing there suddenly you we found out the. Swedish politicians and swedish Public Servants theyre cutting the way that would be democracy is supposed to function and theyre doing that together with them with you with this diplomats contrary to the interests of the swedish people one of the hopeful things that ive discovered. Is they took nearly every war that is thought of. As being a result of. Mediocrity what does that mean. That means basically populations by market. And populations have to be fooled into will. Be. Treated as an enemy combatant which really should be closed down permanently indecisively addition to reduce any broken every law unit big deal it was like a hotel if that. Were going on in the service its not that its open up in the middle or a good elysia. Julian was at his height of popularity when sweden. That he attracted. Im a slave. Its understandable that he would be attractive to young men and hes. A young man and his. And this is a very high and noble noble land base and so that made him even more attractive and. Were still in an era of resource colonialism again this is a big risk and the one big thing that could really inhibit the kind of electric vehicle revolution that a lot of us want to see is if we cant resource the battery components in a sustainable ethical way then its not going to be a successful revolution. In the troubled 19 seventies a group of killers rampage through parts of Northern Ireland that was coordinated loyalists attacks particularly catholic population in belfast tens of flows in support forced to flee their homes a mob was striking to put these attacks was that the or you see the Police Actually took part in the attacks so instead of preventing it they were active participants in the burning of coal streets in belfast i thought i think more than a 100 innocent civilians with that as the review can seniors and we found out more i was surprised about the extent and the take rates which the collusion was involved in some of those cases that killers would later be named into the now and were getting i think it went to the very very top i think it is frosts the water where all the taste since you thought it was going on and give the go ahead. Today the state storage of the. Word. Is here. Waiting to be reached. Turkish airlines. 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