Obtained by the House Committee this led those from transit to new Rudy Giuliani to the head of ukraine live on this is all involved in this you think theres more to the. I think that there is definitely a lot more otherwise the president would have let some of his top advisers speak to the house i mean clearly if he had people that could help clear him he would have let him speak clearly i think that these are people that wouldnt be able to clear him and i think that one of whats interesting is that you know nancy pelosi held onto these articles for some time and i think that it actually show that this was the right decision to make because as some of these senators went home over the christmas and holiday break they heard from their constituents who started to see as alex was noting as not being a foregone conclusion you started to see some cracks in that fire wall as you started to see some of these republicans saying that they be open to witnesses and i think with josh bolton or john bolton. And willing to testify if subpoenaed i think that that realistically there will be some more people to come speak and the information is coming out that doesnt look good for the president i dont think to your initial question though larry i still dont think they have 2 thirds of the vote so to change the ultimate outcome but i think that the American People get more information where they can make their own mind up in. November. Once the road why deny witnesses and have not one trial would say. Its not a question of denying witnesses per se the house had a job to do here part of their job was to call those witnesses if they didnt call somebody or the house was not willing to wait for the courts to rule on the president s legitimate assertion of executive privilege and they decided they had to move ahead politically then they have to deal with those consequences if you dont get to turn the senate into the house i think its worth also noting just because mr bolton is said hes prepared to testify if subpoenaed that does not mean that the president will not exert executive privilege over his testimony remember mr bolton was the president nasser he was his National Security adviser the idea that any president would not assert executive privilege over those conversations seems highly unlikely so i would not assume that mr bolton would testify nor frankly what i assume that what he has to say is necessarily bad for the president zack you think you should. I mean look i think it does alex we do have to admit though i mean it looks suspicious if nothing else i mean for it if anybodys been involved in any sort of criminal trial knows that you need as many witnesses as possible in a situation like this and the president blocked all of the key witnesses with firsthand knowledge from testifying and then said well look they dont have any 1st hand witnesses and therefore im innocent i mean clearly it wasnt a perfect phone call clearly as information has come up over time its not made him look more innocent its made him look more guilty and his actions arent helping any of that i agree on the executive privilege component of whether he would exert it or not i do think though that i cant imagine that boltons testimony would help the president can imagine that anybodys testimony that would have firsthand knowledge of this would help the president because as information has come out it continually points to the fact that he was clearly trying to seek some sort of political favor in this deal to influence the upcoming election and to your point about waiting for the courts to decide i mean its a valid legal argument but from a substantive standpoint realistically they are trying to this is trying to influence an election in november we have no idea when the courts were going to rule to come almost 12 months to make an initial ruling so i think that the democrats had to move forward in the timeline that they did it was an imperfect situation for everybody involved but let him testify and then the timeline would be irrelevant. Moving to smother areas alledge did you watch the democratic debate. I did it was a challenge to stay awake but i i struggled through he. Was a candidate do you worry about the most. Run against strong i think its less about who i would worry about the most if i was the Trump Campaign and more about the different dynamics within that primary at this point someone asked me this morning who was the winner of last nights debate i think the answer has to be joe biden because hes still the front runner this morning in many ways with the exception of the bernie a list with war and dust up and post debate refusal to shake hands and the barbs theyve got going back and forth what joe biden really needed was a debate where Nothing Happened and frankly from his perspective he achieved that so i think that actually worked out fairly well for him that the challenge last night presented and i think the democrats are going to continue to face this is how do you run an effective primary and get peoples attention while youre also in the middle of an impeachment process and not just for those senators who are will be in washington and not in iowa or New Hampshire during that process but broadly from a message perspective i think that becomes very hard especially frankly if youre joe biden and whether or not you think hunter biden should be called to testify if theres witnesses or not the mere fact that that were going to have this impeachment process about ukraine virtually guarantees those issues get brought up and discussed in a way that is not ideal for him when hed rather be shaking hands and talking about other subjects zach what do you make of the debate and do you have a candidate. It was unclear who won the debate except for what i did see was a direct break in the Democratic Party between candidates that see the path to the presidency through the industrial midwest meaning senator quote marabou to judge and Vice President biden. Are speaking to really bread and butter issues while senator warren and sanders and for that for a little less tom styer are speaking to a different kind of base that i dont actually think are would help win the presidency in 2020 with that said i agree with alex about its very tough during the pietschmann situation to break through the noise i mean its going to suck up all the media oxygen and really when you want a bread and butter discussion on tariffs and some the other things that are hurting the states that will determine the election its hard to break through on that element i dont think though it hurts the Vice President it didnt hurt him in fact his poll numbers went up during the impeachment trial that was focused on him in essence during the house side and i think the same thing in the senate side because his message is look the president s afraid i mean hes most afraid to run against me to the point that he was willing to call in foreign favors in this regard so i think that this will just highlight his electability argument which is what his number one argument and narrative has been allergy is think the Democratic Party will come together or will that split just pave the way for reelection. Well a couple of thoughts number one a large primary with a number of people in this is true in either party. Primaries can be ugly frankly they can be uglier than battles between parties and some of that is to be expected the reason that i think this divide is going to be harder to put back together this time is youre not only fighting over some policy issues and stylistic issues this is now fairly fundamentally focused and whether you view it as people talking to only people in San Francisco in new york and a few other places or whether you view the divide is generational that part is in intra partisan fight with Elizabeth Warren and bernie slugging it out to see who can be more progressive or more socialist the generational fight that theyre getting into with people to judge the moderate schism and divide you see between the Vice President and senator coburn shar and others those get fundamentally harder to put back together so that if you are lets say a bernie or Elizabeth Warren supporter at the end of the day if joe biden is the nominee can you square that and decide that you can support him i find it very unlikely the Vice President. If he is the nominee would select either one of those 2 as Vice President so you cant use those mechanisms i think it will be messy and it will be challenging and if the last 24 hours were any indication what you saw between Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders is likely to continue zat do you concerned that the 2 wings will not come together. I mean im concerned that what i saw occur in the last couple days between senator sanders and senator warren is like reliving 2016 over again i mean where youve got this strange inner party fight thats totally unnecessary people sitting it out potentially arguably enough people sitting it out to actually am. The election in 2016 and again in 2020 i do think though that the number one thing that democratic primary and general election voters that have been polled want is somebody that can beat the president so do i think that the party will come together sure do i think theyll be the same level of grassroots enthusiasm because of some of these fights that are occurring on now that i dont know i think it fundamentally though if were talking about 70000. 00 votes in 3 states across the midwest maybe it really doesnt ultimately matter but it would be nice to actually have a party that came together and recognize that the shades of the differences in the shades of blue between these candidates are very very very thin compared to the differences between any of these candidates in the current president and out of states and so out hope that the party would come together for whoever the nominee ends up being what effect do you think this impeachment business will have on the election alex you know its interesting i think a lot of democrats are very hopeful that even if they werent able to actually mph and remove the president that it would dramatically alter his numbers my own belief is that on balance it has probably netted politically favorable for the president in that it has substantially reenergized his base any time youre an incumbent your challenges ok team we have to do this again and what this did was allow the president and his team to galvanize and reenergize that support in a way that few other things couldve and if you contrast that with the other side by down almost by definition the specially the highly motivated primary and activist voters in the democratic side they were all in for impeachment they were all in against the president regardless they cant get any more motivated you cant produce any more of those people in places where its going to matter so i think impeachment will matter but frankly i think its going to matter. In a different way than Speaker Pelosi initially envisioned and frankly i think her decision to delay transmitting was a really big unforced error in this context she controlled completely how that was done and frankly by dragging it out to the point where even some people on her own Party Started to push back and she then had to capitulate showed the political nature of the process and undercut a lot of the arguments in terms of time and justification innovation for impeachment and i think that will be additionally damaging alexander stay right there well be right back with more politicking after the break. There are 3 russian and lights. In a world of big partisan. 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Ok as zack what do you make of the bloomberg story he he could spend up. To a 1000000000. 00. He said that which doesnt get the nomination hell give a doozy of a running does you want to be trump do you see a blowout which he was. I dont think hes got any chance to win the nomination i wish hed spend the money on organizing other democratic races and maybe buying fox news so that he could actually have an impact on the National Media landscape that way but ill say that its interesting both he and tom star if you look at their media ads for example in the reno market and las vegas media market alone theyve bought more ads than Bernie Sanders has bought across the entire country so therefore theyre flooding airwaves in a way that nobody has ever seen before including in california which has an early primary this year in very expensive media markets its been enough to give them 4 or 5 points i mean and i think that some of the the numbers were seeing in the 10 to 12 range for some of them just are real hes got a lot of organizers on the streets but i just dont see people supporting and the Democratic Base someone who is a republican recently who doesnt really excite the base that much who doesnt really have much of a resume hasnt really been through the processes and up there on the debate stage so i just dont think along at the end of the day bloomberg one of being the nominee definitely wont be a v. P. Nominee either and so well see where it plays out for him. How alex do you see the bloomberg onslaught and so i agree completely that mayor bloomberg is not going to be the democratic nominee what is most interesting to me is he has said publicly and much has been made of the fact that he thinks he should be the nominee but if hes not all that really matters to him is beating donald trump thats only interesting because the mayor has now run a lot of ads and ive seen a lot of those ads and none of them talk about the president they talk about how great Mike Bloomberg is so if your goal is to try and beat the president talking about how great Mike Bloomberg is might make Mike Bloomberg. Feel good but isnt going to do anything to support democrats who want to beat the president so i think thats an issue frankly from a billionaire versus billionaire perspective mr stiers frankly been more true to that eat those in terms of at least taking on the president as opposed to just highlighting his own resume so at this point i think this is more of an ego play and as to the question of whether or not if he goes through this exercise whether mayor bloomberg can then just hand that over to whoever the nominee is i think election law may have something to say about that but again i think hes spending what for him even for him is a lot of money and effort thats not going not going to be terribly effective either for his candidacy or because i think hes fundamentally off message with most of the Democratic Party for the ultimate nominee. Early and he could be a brokered convention do you buy that. 100 percent i see in a very realistic path and i would say probably maybe a one in 3 or one in 4 chance that we have a plurality but not a majority and we have a brokered convention is kind of an interesting thing because in 2016 you may remember the sanders camp was openly against superdelegates and tried to minimize their role and ironically one of the deals that they worked out is on a 2nd ballot the superdelegates would have a much larger role so i think that if hes the person in the lead hes going to have a tough time actually getting the nomination based on the rules that he set up but i think that what my hope is is that if we dont have a majority we have somebody with a clear minority of the votes that really sets apart so that theres a clear front runner even if they dont have enough delegates to clinch but youre going to see a nasty fight at the convention as it was it was Something Else and 2016 as it was between clinton and sanders and the supporters especially in the sandra side that arent even Democratic Party members really except for just a vote in this election they have no Party Loyalty or connection of the party so to try and broker a group between maybe a more traditional candidate