Have people look wanting to escalate as you put it which means essentially having a war you see the u. S. Government forced into frantic diplomacy through the Swiss Embassy in tehran which it now turns out it was the United States which initiated it was lee u. S. And having started the escalation became panicked and saw the way out to deescalate in other words they dont have a clear objectives and theyre not working towards those objectives instead you get the impression of a very powerful country stretching around throwing bombs in some directions killing people in other directions threatening people with sanctions but it isnt coherent and. You wouldnt get that impression from Mainstream Media go ahead glenn go ahead last just going to say this theme of. Escalation dominance has been the very central strategic objective by the United States or. In the simplicity that america would be able to increase escalate when it wants and then bring it down so for example if the us drops bombs in pakistan to syria or any other dozen countries understanding would be that country would not be allowed to respond because of the unpredictable and the devastating consequence from the us so they can bring tensions up and down the us they want for pressure now whats interesting with iran is they denied this is america cos what they did was they launch their missiles directly at American Military bases and america essentially have to suck it up and accept all this is the price we have to pay for for killing. General in the iran so this is so that they rob americans of this escalation run their business very interesting because even if you look at the rayney in response by firing those missiles they were just hitting buildings and store where houses and things like that its sent but that is the message there is that they can do it they cant be stopped and theyre not limited to iraq and i think that is the strategic message that they were sending nobody in the Mainstream Media the Corporate Media picked up on that well and that is the see i asked in my introduction what has changed that has changed in policy makers in washington if they have any kind of horse and all have to take that on board go ahead well i slightly disagree with you on Corporate Media because this is what i read in the New York Times. Sports was well was a well calibrated measure for the 4 years that it isnt just being anti trump exactly ok exactly what i find so this is the 1st time in 10 years that they agree with and maybe the wrong reasons for their own reasons because actually what we saw was you know the new cause have shown their obvious site you know during the obama years. And there during this russia gate and ukraine gate investigations we have seen the ugly side of the liberal interventionists they started the war in libya they started the war in syria they started basically started the war in ukraine now we see the ugly side of the neocons i mean that havent been canceled i hope by the new broom and interventionist we saw it and what i think was more stable was basically of the moral side of it all i mean tom given an interview to faux news theyre asking why did you do it why did you kill general sorting money what are your facts you know and trump responds i believe it could have been good remember see a good have i believe i did good for emphasis i believe if we could have been military bases it could have been a lot of other things but suddenly he was gone well this is thinkin im sorry all of Oscar Pistorius you know that souls african this lead who killed his girlfriend shooting her from a bottle because he thought it could have been included see it could have been robbers but pistorius was on trial for that and mr crump instead of beating on trial gets britneys from the wall street journal though you know we have the article there which says. Are we seeing a regular revival of trumps 40 poorly see thats the headline and you can imagine it would end if you could alex you know alex it seems to me and ill just be kind of more blunt here i think the assassination of the money was an act of desperation because theres a lack of imagination in how to move forward because essentially the u. S. Is going to be find itself isolated in its friend friendly country iraq instead of fighting isis or point making sure it doesnt come back its going to have to worry about the shia militias firing upon them in their bases i mean i this doesnt make any sense to me as something was started and i have no idea how its going to end. Go ahead alex. This is correct because of course the United States as i think has become very clear now seriously underestimate if you didnt run when they pulled out of the j. C. When they imposed all these sanctions on it it expected that iran would on the very quickly come to the negotiating table all of that the government there would rapidly collapse because of massive protests nothing like that has happened the european allies have shown that theyre not very keen on this whole crisis tracked all they werent consulted it is the United States in this situation which is looking increasingly are isolated even the saudis even the israelis were not particularly its interesting out there was one of the questions i sent out to you guys is that there was it was really relatively quiet in the region as this solve is going on ok because again the demonstration effect of the the the attack on the saudi. Energy installations sent a message and everyone else has been taking that on board except for some neocons in washington d. C. You want to get in a just a small you know it all started with the United States born being a base or sharing really shows in iraq and then mr trump got very angry about demonstrations near the American Embassy in the United States about it but we hear from c. B. S. From c. B. S. From david martin their correspondent that i called these shia militias are part of the Iraqi Security force and there were 25 People Killed there imagine some foreign country vorse. A base of u. S. National guard kielce 25 people and then they are dismayed that theyre going to have to states citizens are staging a demonstration here theer embassy you know and this demonstration it was van percent or d ward the ukrainian nazis did during their mind on prague. Yes they set on fire 10 buildings there and people and killed 38. 00 policemen this is how the war started which in didnt start that it started in kiev but now there were just a few storms thrown their gauge of the embassy the health of their. Guest the greens all you know and the Iraqi Security force did not react why because link you 5 of their colleagues were killed you know its interesting you know. I was watching how my pompei of the secretary of state was reacting to all this and they dont want any kind of questioning of their i was going to say strategy but there is no strategy the way i can see it i mean it looks quite empty and vacuous and they dont really have a reason it seems that this is the goal and it seems to me they did the assassination is merely because they could do it not that was made any strategic sense no i agree and i think they kind of walked themselves into this difficult position because the the mainland. Legitimacy behind this would be they call them a terrorist and then this is theres killed here and here and this is probably the most fundamental individual in the region that actually pushed isis back but this going to show us the problem of demonizing iran because you know already 3 months ago they recognized the revolutionary guard a Military Branch in iran as a terrorist organization and then by definition the leader of this of the money they define him as a terrorist now once you start throwing this words around terrorist calling foreign leaders Foreign Terrorists now youre opening for you having this legitimate socalled legitimate. Issue when the interest in us is legitimizing that why cant a rand do it is well its been legitimized now you know i. Dont want exactly and all ones and the kind of language that trump youll just you know it could have been for emphasis and then suddenly hes gone you know it was a scrap. 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Welcome back to cross talk where all Things Considered im Peter Lavelle to to remind you were discussing some real news. Ok lets go back to alex in london you know alex this 10 day. Fiasco that we all went through. A lot of war jitters and whatnot and a lot of exaggeration in the media and misinformation disinformation thats why we do programs like this but there is one problem out there that is not resolved then is going to be increasingly more difficult to resolve and that is the u. S. Military presence in iraq now trump has been threatening iraq with sanctions making you have to pay for these bases while the u. S. And its allies in baited in 2003 illegally i dont see why the iraqis have to pay one cent as a matter fact an apology is due also we have threats that the new York Fed Bank may withhold cash reserves that are held on behalf of iraq and if im not mistaken in the in the tune of 3000000000. 00 i mean is this how you treat an ally i mean dont you go shade in top with a now i know. Threaten thats how you resolve issues or maybe that is something no one void in this administration when it comes to Foreign Policy go ahead alex what is absolutely shocking behavior because those troops those american troops in iraq are supposed to be there at the invitation of iraq if iraq asks for them to go they should go in fact it seems that the United States not only wants them to stay it is prepared to put coercive pressure and you talked about this attempt to stop you iraq accessing banking facilities in order to force them to stay that is not the action of an ally that is the action of an occupier of a country that is trying to occupy iraq for its own purposes in order to conduct was against other countries namely iran with which iraq is on good terms and which iraq needs to be on good terms with so it is all for behavior and of course it is extremely unwise and very dangerous behavior because increasingly iraqis at every level of society who are already very angered by the experiences of 1st the war and occupation of their gun treat but also the previous history of sanctions that the United States imposed on iraq are now increasingly going to start to see the United States and its military on their territory as not the solution to their problems but has the problem you know yeah i mean as glengall it clinton seems to mean we have to remind our viewers that in the 1980 s. Iran and iraq want an 8 year war something akin to like trench warfare in the 1st world war it was bloody it was awful it was destructive. And now we have this illegal invasion of iraq and the net outcome of that is that. Iraq has moved closer to iran a country that they fought a bloody war for 8 years. Doesnt the american stance actually than in push forward a better iraqi iran relationship because you know the trumpet ministration say were going to leave and part of the conditions is that we want everyone else to leave everyone should get out of iraq i think you could sell that idea the i think a lot of iraqis would go for it i think the majority of iraqis would like to see all foreign troops all foreign opera operatives leave but the way the trumpet administration is playing it works to irans advantage again well that happened already in 2003 and 4 after the invasion and we saw that the. That. With the sudden same gone a future shiite dominated iraq would increasingly align itself closely with iran and of course overcome their troubled history now i think. Yes this has been a one of the unintended consequence of killing all the money as well now the iraqis are asking americans to leave iraq because of course they dont want to be battlefield for the in the middle of all of this so so yes the day they play this in the very very bad way and of course this will be a big strategic victory for the iranians because they would like the americans to leave the middle east and iraq would of course be a highest priority in terms of where they should lead in syria. Yes of all obviously so i think well i do sympathize with the goal to get like you mentioned get them on out of iraq and i think what the middle east really needs is a proper Security Architecture and now i think the problem there is i think theres more interest in in conceptualizing Security Architecture like we do in europe where we establish a military alliance aim for example against russia now i think they want to recreate something similar in the middle east now Security Architecture should include iraq once excluded then we have the european system where its targeting another state and then security becomes defined. Very much since there are some terms ok but you didnt used the word ill use it nato they want to levy bring other nato or even expanding nato to include arab countries which i think is kind of interesting is nobodys mentioned if israel should be part of that i think thats an interesting no one would have to work on but you know it came of this idea of an arab nato has been floated before but nobody in the region seemed to be particularly interested in trump said that he said you know im quoting him we can use need to in other locations for example in the middle east. Interventions have been on paper with trump for all these years saying that he did not respect his european allies you know he thought that germany was not paying enough now trump is seen you know these european guys they use this mean the least you know we can expect there but isnt that. Table. Has been occupied the americans have created a civil war in iraq that killed according to various estimates about ive heard any good men you know on television citing physicians for peace who say it could be up to london median People Killed in the rock as a result of that Chain Reaction from the American Intervention in 2003 so 1000000. 00 People Killed and now mr trump is seeing you all lost one trillion dollars all the money that we spent on the war in iraq you with iraq you go into or us but also of the other interesting point is that i think in the rockaways see how liberal interventionists and now of course in the United States how the miscalculated to both democracy they had been warned that the majority in iraq is basically shade and muslims so if if you introduce democracy there bro you raney an audience would get would win you know that was obvious but still you know George Bush Jr and others the press that have you know they had elections and know their. Paper that iran has influence well of course iran has influence and there are some parts youre seeing in iraq which support doing in presence because they need it against the socalled Islamic State the true allies are on there so when youre ready to collapse and also iran is religiously close to them weve heard the same story in ukraine why is ukraine a dictatorship because if you have democracy the rule russian eastern candidate wins as it was the case where with kuchma win over craft to work with the young actually beaten you Mission Going the 1st all astroland over elections so a lot of with resiliency of having a landslide against against so this idea that we need democracy. Has translated into policy ok it does go back to our experience i think its really quite fascinating that you know the europeans and the country should get more involved in the middle east why would they want to do that because it turned into a 3 digit backwater in a quagmire but i guess thats what trump really wants he wants other people to do his dirty work for him and not just his i mean prime previous administrations as w