Cross talking and ending wars im joined by i guess daniel hsia in new york he is a professor of latin american and Caribbean Studies at City University of new york and but that is that we have peter because nick he is a professor of history and director of the Nuclear Studies institute at American University as well as coauthor with all of her stone of the untold history of the United States and in washington we cross to camp he is the host and head writer of the comedy new show redacted tonight on our t. V. America all right so i mean cross talk rules in fact that means you can jump in anytime you want i always appreciate lets go to bethesda peter i think that all of us would agree and our audience that its unlikely that we would ever compared to donald trump ok theyre very very different but they do have one commonality and its an attitude towards for. And adventures now donald trump has not been able to do much about his rhetoric of the campaign while hes been in office but telsey gabbert keeps going both of them are slammed every time they go outside the the borders or the perimeters of the bipartisan commitment to these wars why is it why do they get slammed down so hard so fast even with people within their own party go ahead peter. Well as you indicate there is a bipartisan consensus when it comes to American Foreign policy and its dominated by a neo con neoconservative or a view is based on this idea of american exceptionalism that the United States has the right duty the obligation to intervene around or all of the United States is gods gift to humanity unlike everybody else where alex was to commend evelyn you are just breath freedom and democracy but the net result of this is that we live in a war of the which the richest people have more wealth than the poorest the point 8000000000 people that us policy has been a consistently interventionist one that the cold more never really and that policy change at the end of the whole or and theres been a war a war between the 1st world in the 3rd world ever since but its very very dangerous tulsi understands that i dont agree that donald trump can tell syrian any way comparable. Use of Foreign Policy are so much better informed than donald trump thats for sure thats what our record is actually in very hawkish very militaristic so even though he has a rhetoric about not want to intervene its very very different than the kind of aggressive intelligent view in which one is opposed to this i agree with you completely my point is for example removing troops from syria and you know even his own governor his own cabinet you know kind of came piling in i take your point well taken here daniel let me go to to you in my introduction also i mention that recent polling because of memorial day the veterans of these wars in this century these interventionist wars they say the majority of a large majority actually say it quote unquote it wasnt worth it so that should be kind of some wake up call whitney a thank go ahead daniel. One would certainly hope with the Foreign Policy establishment the pentagon has never listened to the veterans will listen to anybody except for their own narrow interests of course the vietnam era veteran still suffering to this day from p. T. S. D. And thousands upon thousands tens of thousands of our loved ones sisters and brothers sent to iraq d and afghanistan in these wars of foreign pillage no question that these veterans are against the war and tulsi gabbett very articulately captures that sentiment and shes really a fresh of breath air in the still Democratic Party debates where no one besides bernie is willing to take on the Foreign Policy establishment and here you have a very unique individual was 16 years of quote unquote service one might say a disservice if one agrees with Martin Luther king that the u. S. Government in the u. S. Military the greatest purveyors of violence in the world but she speaks a certain language and can go on fox news now and can relate to really millions of American Families and theyre afraid of their very definitively afraid of her yeah they really are and it is really quite interesting that she has a place at fox news who who would have thought it would let me go to leave here in washington you know leave that for my everything weve heard so far on this program here i suppose is that the. Democratic process and having popular opinion about Foreign Policy is simply for bowden ok you can argue about Everything Else but you cant argue about Foreign Policy it just isnt there and it and one of the reasons why its there is because the Corporate Mainstream media gives this bipartisan view cover all of the time go ahead lee yeah yeah its totally disgusting that we live in largely a death economy i mean we make tremendous amounts of money from our weapon sales 55 percent of our Discretionary Spending is. Dumped into the military and if anyone questions it its dead theyre called right Hillary Clinton called gabbert a russian asset that is completely not allowed to question our military Industrial Complex and if you are you are pushed out by the 2 corporate parties you are you are purged from them like something they needed to vomit up because you dared question these things and as you mentioned earlier in the few instances that donald trump has tried to do something that was against war against death against our military such as withdraw troops or peace with north korea he is shut down and you know that is not to say hes some kind of dove. That obama dropped 26000 drone bombs his final year in office and with under trump it went up to 40000 a year so he has no dog its a bomb every 12 minutes you know theres blood on all of our hands as americans and but in those few instances where he does seem like he has some desire to create peace or to limit war he is completely shut down and it raises the question have we seen basically a soft coup in terms of Foreign Policy if its completely run by our military Industrial Complex and you cannot question it even if youre the press to present the United States then whos in control of it and you know the president s not congress well peter as we heard a few weeks ago from a former Deputy Director of the cia thank god for the deep state ok and everybody clapped ok peter saying with you ok given everything weve said here on this program it but if we look at these interventions particularly since in this century there all have been utter failures so theres no learning curve on top of this beis bipartisan commitment to an ending wars so they think they can even in a knowledge failure is that even worse go ahead peter. Well weve had some stunning successes we did several dozen cuban construction workers in grenada in 83. Since. Really gotten since the korean war i mean how much more do we have to learn there were just a big Conference Last Week in washington about the vietnam war you know and. Its the worst atrocity since the holocaust 3800000 vietnamese died according to Robert Mcnamara when he came into my class he said he accepts the 3800000 vietnamese died but we look at the track record since then theres been military intervention after military intervention with this low results creating more problems not only killing millions of people but. Wreaking havoc of many of the problems that were facing in the world now are result of the u. S. Invasion of iraq in 2003 and people who arent beforehand that that would be the effect oh yeah i think when he gets the media did not allow that that point of view the only one who are talking about that still die at you and he lost his job yeah he lost his job. And the n. B. C. Is special said well everybody else is waving the flag we dont want to be seen as some kind of doves over here it is then been that dangerous kind of consensus you turn on c. N. N. Or when they send these you know fox news is absurd you turn on c. N. N. And some b c and youll have 4 talking heads there who are experts saying that the russian intervention in the 26 election was an act of war and nobody even thinks to read any of the ok peter i was kind of hoping to avoid the impeachment thing but you opened that can of worms im going to go to daniel you know daniel ive been watching part of some of the hearings because theres so absurd and theyre so boring and theyre so opaque. It is really just a 6 show to watch what the ok given that i watch the quote unquote experts on. Ukraine why do they have their jobs they have no idea what theyre talking about and then you can add on what peter was saying the media just says oh my goodness these patriots are so knowledgeable you have to defer to them their their expertise no theyre not theyre all political hacks daniel. The impeachment proceedings is the other guests have said are a massive distraction from the very real issues in new york city right now every day more poverty in homelessness the Opioid Epidemic all these real working class issues that need to be addressed in the media spin doctors 247 with every minute boring detail about ukraine in all the russia phobia and russia gate field so now theres this whole ukraine thing its extremely distracting and whats really behind that is. Donald trump is not a reliable dependable candidate for what you call the deep state for the Pentagon State Department good point of course he should be impeached he should be overthrown because hes a racist warmongering zina phobia homophobic massage honest but the Mainstream Media doesnt focus on that they focus on really these. Deceptive and rush hysterical plus that they have concocted ok but you know daniel last 30 seconds go to you for before we go to the break but what russia gate was a hoax it failed why do they think its going to get traction if you just put ukraine in front of it here i mean that its absurd to go 25 seconds to before we go to the break. Again its designed to distract if the top 10 New York Times stories and fox stories and c. N. N. And theres this media gemini than the everyday American People can see outside of that box and the everyday american populace is not educated on us Foreign Policy and so i still subscribe to this idea of what the professor called american exceptionalism all right gentlemen im going to jump in here were going to go to a short break and after that short break well continue our discussion on an ending war stayed with 38. Same camera can use to snare someones head is the same camera can use to build them a home but thats a human choosing what to do with that thats me expressing my values for the tool and thats what we need to do with Artificial Intelligence as well. As it is is a stick from a water bottle phone in the stomach of a fish the brand is part of the Cocacola Company which sells millions of bottles of soda every day the idea was that lets tell consumers there are the bad ones there the litter bugs are throwing this away industry should be blamed for all this waste to company has long promised to reuse the plastic. Funding. On the. Team but for now the mountains of moist only grow higher. Taxes are not going to do it you have to go right to the root of things its assets and debts at the Balance SheetBalance Sheets is what they should talk about and thats where we can be clever because taxation is the dumb way of trying to get the wealth back from the from the wealthy. Welcome back to crossfire who are all Things Considered im Peter Lavelle to remind you were discussing an ending wars. Ok lets go to lean in washington its part of my job lead to watch the media as much as painful and stupid and a waste of time as it is i have to keep up with what other people are saying i should i should get home i should get a hardship pay because i watch a lot of nonsense ok we i want to pick up on 2 points that we were brought up in this program peter brought up american exceptionalism here and daniel was also talking about how poorly educated americans are about Foreign Policy and i think thats really kind of the nexus because most americans maybe not for through no fault of their own actually have no idea the impact of American Foreign policy around the world i mean whats going on in bolivia right now it is horrendous whats going on it really when you look at. Opposition figures being kidnapped to being tied to trees being tortured. Flaunting every constitutional law there is and its not dare make the greys onal cover it the interceptor will cover 1 it in a few other people you will cover it lee ok but the American People largely have no idea about these things and because of what we heard about american exceptional thats the bow on the top isnt it where it kind of keeps everything and stay says go ahead lee. Yeah i think its a testament to what a brilliant job theyve done and shutting down an actual discussion in the media of the truth behind these these coups that weve helped create in bolivia right now with many of these leaders were trained at the school the america which has been renamed for branding purposes you know the brand was getting solid so they had to change the name but. You know an invidious whale our economic sanction or economic war has killed 40000 people over the past couple of years and americans dont know any of this because youre not going to get it really on just about any mainstream outlet and that includes n. P. R. And p. B. S. And those that that are now you know the head of n. P. R. Is the former head of voice of america so you have a full a full scale american Propaganda Network across all of the outlets and many of the independent outlets so its really an impressive job theyve done a dumbing down the american populace and i do real quick want to take issue with one thing that was said earlier i dont know that all of these wars and invasions that weve been involved in are of failures from the view of the neo cons and the you know the neo liberals that have run them i think destroying the country of iraq and and making it so it basically is is is powerless but i think that you know their view is probably a success probably similar with syria just seeing them collapse its chaos theory ive heard this argument and i think it has a lot of billeted im glad you brought it up thankfully let me go to peter now what happened to the Antiwar Movement what happened i mean i remember the marches all around the world particularly in europe in the protests in the u. S. Were protesting the iraq war and its gone its why is it because of the media or is it because of control of the internet and social media platforms how do we explain it go ahead peter. Had it good and so that maybe we could rebuild the war but its not that you know on the campuses and i go around the country speaking quite a bit and its not that the young people i think students dont care they do care 1st of all theyre not very well informed on this issue very vocal lives on Climate Change theyre really activists about that theyre very sensitive to gender and sexual issues need to move men are very concerned about racial issues but it is very. Little concern about Nuclear Issues number one and number 2 Foreign Policy in general. Were talking about you you introduce trump someone in a positive way in the beginning you look at his Nuclear Policies and its an absolute disaster yet no not at all he. Pulled out of the. Nuclear deal with iran not only did he. Treat so much is the new start treaty if you want to look at this Nuclear Posture review lots of pushes back to a Nuclear Arms Race like the 1980 s. When we had 70000 Nuclear Weapons in the world so theyre not theyre not focused on these issues either so its not that they dont care but i think that they do have a 7 minute sense of existential threat which is why theyre concerned about Climate Change but some of the other issues he issues of us and do morse the issues of Nuclear Threats its not on their agenda right now i guess peter well guess what that you know you ring up the environment i suppose your students know that the pentagon is the biggest polluter in the world ok they probably know that but probably not in the foreign interventions around the world and how they happen here daniel the same question to you i mean ill use peter as you know how do we rebuild the Antiwar Movement we we have code pink out there its great and i agree with him on those issues here but you know how do you how do you capitalized on what we had before because its only getting worse i mean i think one of the biggest changes in the last couple years is that you have the neo cons invading the left and the liberals now i mean now theyre in bed they have equal footing in each party and you can hear neocon propaganda talking points on the mai