Its extreme you know public and trust. Me they form a newsweek reporter launches a blistering attack on the magazine for refusing to run a story he wrote about the alleged chemical attack in the syrian city of last year. Well those are the headlines well be back in around an anxious time with another round up and stay with us for cross talk next to a national. Welcome to cross talk where all Things Considered im Peter Lavelle the partisan impeachment process against donald trump continues apace the framers of the constitution. Warrant impeachment of the chief executive was an extreme remedy are the democrats in the Corporate Media trivializing the impeachment process are they tempting to short circuit democracy itself. From stalking impeachment im joined by my guest john karr dello in West Palm Beach hes the host of america talks live on t. V. In baltimore we have wendy yourself oh she is a professor and political commentator and in seattle we cross the collar he is an author and media analyst ari crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate as one of my rules on this program i go to the 1st the person 1st they got up for this program and that is john ok so john let me go to you i said in my introduction to basic things here ok the trivializing of what is really all about and short circuiting democracy because i think the 2 these are the 2 broadest concepts that are being in play right now and theyre part of the same thread here because im not a Political Animal i eat and live survive off of politics and i cant even get through these hearings because i dont know what theyre talking about i dont think they know what theyre talking about ok i mean and i want to be respectful to wendy because when hes the odd person out here and hes going to have ample amount of time to defend her position you go ahead john. Well the entire process is illegitimate they always say when a president impeached theres going to be an asterix in the history books next to their name in this case is going to be an asterisk next to impeachment because it was an illegitimate process this is a coup in plain sight peter thats all this is 1st it was russia collusion they couldnt prove that then it was a quid pro quo they couldnt prove that then it was obstruction of justice they couldnt prove that that it was bribery they couldnt prove that it was extortion they couldnt prove that so then they trumped up no pun intended fabricated these new charges abuse of power that they say oh its a catch all and obstruction of congress which is proposed or is i thought it was the executive the presidency is a coequal yet a coequal branch of congress you can obstruct your coequal branch by taking hold on by taking subpoenas to the courts the other coequal branch this is a coup that todd thats why the Republican Senate is going to dismiss that its dead on arrival or theyre going to vote to acquit quickly and the American People are sick of it thats why donald trump is now beating every democrat in a head to head match up especially in swing states even though the polls are averaging a plus 6 democratic over sample ok wendy i think most people are in agreement i mean even the most liberals that i know is that in the trial in the senate trump will be acquitted so whats the whole purpose of going through this exercise if almost everybody agrees will be an acquittal go ahead wendy. Just because someone will be acquitted does not mean that we should not help hold them accountable for things that theyve done especially when you are the president of the free world and the president of the United States donald trump has abused his power as president that is a fat whether you sit on the left side of the right side of the al that cannot be argued so i believe that the senate will uphold this impeachment absolutely not they will not do that but he needs to be held accountable so whether this is a symbolic way to try to say you know what we see what youre doing and the American People and i stand for it then the democrats have the right to do that but what im really looking forward to beyond the impeachment is actually not going to when they go to the right that they dont have a right. Ok lets go right to let you get the framers did not intend to ok let him. Wendy finish because i dont understand no prosecutor no prosecutor would go to trial knowing that theyre going to lose so are you still havent convinced me here ok go ahead. Youre saying they dont have a right as if you speak for the American People when you look at the recent polls youll see that the American People a majority of them actually for impeachment now the polls also asked whether he. Would be impeached and a lot of them are say no but in america we have a democracy here so we do not have a dictatorship so part of the democracy is holding our elected we have. Got to go right to our you let me go let me go to is that i may go to zack here i want to get everybody on the panel and 1st lets go to zach here all right but i mean what is happening here because the other side of the coin of all this impeachment process is what the deep state did to try campaign and to the Trump Presidency and these deep state actors were not elected so you cant use the democracy issue here very well because what has happened against a Trump Campaign and presidency is antithetical to democracy theyre trying to overturn the vote of 63000000 people go ahead zack in seattle. Yeah i would john i mean he kind of knocked it all right at the beginning there you know this impeachment process is just you know another massive cover up by the democrats to try and distract away from the real problems that trump and his administration are looking into its like people keep saying that theyre impeaching trump for investigating the corruption of joe biden and other democrats you know we saw during the 2016 election they invest in they invest invented the russia gate smear to distract from Hillary Clintons crimes now or using impeachment to distract from the really really scandalous things that are coming out of ukraine between joe biden and other u. S. Politicians you know thats where the real dirt is coming out and this whole impeachment circus its just an absolute mess its a complete you know you were saying peter that you dont even understand what theyre saying its like most of us dont its all hearsay its just he said she said its actually pretty convincing that trump didnt commit any serious crime because if he had they would providing they would be providing evidence for that. Whoring out about what the f. B. I. Did we exactly let me let me let me to get more clarity about what my point about you know not understanding what theyre talking about i have been actually to ukraine many many times i know ukrainian politics very very well i know all of the players and watching these people going for these committees they make a joke of themselves because theyre talking about a perspective on ukraine not the reality of ukraine and the perspective that they want everyone to have of ukraine and thats what makes it even worse because theyre all charlatans and hacks and they dont even know what theyre talking 7 about ok john let me go back to you here but you know it seems to me i mean i understand the democrats hate trump fine its called politics here but i think the culpable party in all of this has been the media and you have the horowitz report come out and theres also you have the liberal media Corporate Media thats absolutely in a complete state of did not ideal i read parts of the report its very damning go ahead john. Tara well its very damning before was a media i was Law Enforcement and the f. B. I. Has a big black eye but the f. B. I. Got away with it because they have people in this country like wendy a well educated woman hold spew the left wing medias talking point from our point there was a specific statutory what youre spewing youre spewing left wing talking points youre saying exactly that allowed to be 7 balik hold on allowed to be a symbolic gesture youre saying impeachment is allowed to be a symbolic gesture thats absurd professor thats absurd National Back to the framers never intended that its one of the most i think sacred but i think it is absolute i mean. That everybody where all of the old you know where we think right ok thats what i wanted to i want to go here but it seems to me that this trivialization of an impeachment is. Obstructing what the what the framers wanted ok and i think that that has to go away wendy explain to me and speak slowly so i understand what crime has donald trump committed worthy of pietschmann just one explain to me absolutely abuse how are undermining the american democracy by colluding with its not a crime our theory ok can you put it can you can you put im sorry no wendy wendy can you put some flesh on those bones what do you mean by that what do you mean by that and thats 2 and zachary why the democrats and anybody who understands american politics i really believe that i wrote to the people who said on the other side of the aisle because you dont have to meet to those bones that any of this self im sorry but cant you wendy cant you cant you cant you image that thats simply just a talking point because its really quite its quite. Vacuous let me go to zach in seattle here ok if you want meddling inside the american democracy as it were well then you kept ukraine you have that you have Democratic National committee functionaries talking with ukrainian officials you have before the election you have the ambassador from the united from ukraine to the United States writing an op ed piece criticizing donald trump theres plenty of meddling by the way everybody just to make sure everyone knows theres a lot of countries that meddle in elections in the United States its not the 1st time and it wont be the last time ok but they say they want to hang this one on trump after the report says nothing and then we have this damning horowitz report and we have durham coming up and still zach state of denial and no talking points are necessary you know. Its totally shocking and for those of us who are paying attention i think most americans are paying attention and we see how often the media and the democrats are revising the script it changes from one thing to the next they expect us not to care but we are keeping track of what theyre saying and so you know this is been going on for years and years were already approaching the 2020 election where this is still been going on since the 2016 election liberals are still throwing fits that trump got elected throwing anything against the wall to see if it sticks when nothing is sticking and you know we really are just seeing all these actual crimes being exposed on the other side it just makes it very clear that this whole process is a total sham and you know theres no due process for the president its alarming and its you know it is a lot coming from the media telling us what to think when its like they still think that they can get away with that and you know this is the same media that sympathetic to Harvey Weinstein that just looked the other way when Jeffrey Epstein killed himself you know we have known for a long time that then we have is not a trustworthy source so that theyre trying to tell us to believe. 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Join me every thursday on the all excitement chill and ill be speaking to get us out of the world of politics sports business im show business ill see you that. Welcome back to crossfire where all Things Considered im Peter Lavelle to munge were discussing the trump impeachment. Ok lets go back to wendy in Baltimore Wendy i want to make a very clear im not trying to be as partisan as they may sound i dont care personally if donald trump is an peach i really dont but i has to be done the right way because if you dont do it the right way youre going to tear the country apart and as i point out to my friends all around the World Americans have a lot of guns ok so be careful will you tread ok so i mean wendy it is it seems to me ive been watching this whole thing its just a personal thing they hate the orange man in the white house and theyll do anything to harm him that is irresponsible and you know what wendy its not working go ahead wendy. Yeah i think its really interesting what you said about impeachment has it done the right way or in a word here the country or part im not sure where youve been for the last few years but done trump has torn this country apart he has twice the country apart by the parties he said were up by his rhetoric he has turned the country apart by the things he stands by by embracing White Supremacy he has torn the country apart by talking disparagingly against women against people of color i guess people with disabilities i guess anybody who does not buy into his right wing rhetoric so what youre talking about impeachments here in this country apart i want you to take a few steps back and think about the ways that the man who resides at 1600 pennsylvania avenue has 20 this country apart from the moment he was going into the press and the United States and that is the Biggest Issue here ok but i would make the counter argument is that all i ever do any time i hear about race its always liberal media thats all they talk about and i dont think it resonates with most people the more you denigrate the man the more he rises in the polls the more you try to attack him the more he comes out on top i mean i mean you dont have to be a genius lets call the learning curve ok ok john let me go back to you again i want to be very very clear here if impeachment is going to be done there is a process of doing it it has to be oh by the way by partisan i will portray my age i remember the watergate hearings ok i remember how bipartisan was howard baker to remember him he was the republican and he worked through the impeachment process with great dignity by the way ok represented the Republican Party well and the president and when they got the goods to the evidence he made a decision a thoughtful decision was an amazing moment in American History i dont see that happening right now go ahead john so one way street. Oh look shifa schiff and that made absolute fulls of themselves and i got to commend wendy she went to the race card the expired race card much quicker than i thought she would because thats what democrats are doing here peter theyve got nothing theyve got nothing we have wendy earlier give us one title 18 violation one statutory violation in the u. S. Code donald trump committed while there are none and you know how you know there are none because mother with his criminal subpoena power in teams of investigators and prosecutors found none they found done because there are none so what happens the left does exactly what wendy did the fall to the race card but you know why thats falling flat with americans the lowest black unemployment in history the lowest hispanic unemployment in history some of the highest Consumer Confidence in history the lowest unemployment in general in history its about jobs jobs jobs and its the economy stupid americans are not going to give that up for a speeding identity politics and virtue signaling and heres the fatal mistake democrats are making with black and hispanic voters when hes in her baltimore east coast liberal bubble academic bubble what they dont understand in that bubble what they fail to understand in the. We lost them. All right when you know exactly want to pick up there where our john was speaking yeah happily i mean i completely agree with everything that he was saying and you know. It is there are real bubbles on the coast that are really seeing whats going on in Middle America and you know most people in my view here in america have been you know uniting over time not only behind the economy which has been growing and improving in so many ways that you see real world examples in peoples lives already but also because were finally seeing between bar and durham were finally seeing some restoring of justice in our Justice Department that has had this 2 tiered application of the law for so long people are sick and tired of these white collar criminals these politicians that say trumps not trumps you know not too big to jail well where the investigations to hold by and accountable where the investigations to hold the clintons accountable were finally starting to see that so while some people like to tell us that the country is being divided i think what were seeing on the ground really is the opposite effect and people are getting together around the concept of draining the swamp around the Strong Economy and that is preventing people together under trump and the democrats really have nothing to say against that so theyre just throwing the impeachment against him you know its its very telling what the democrats are saying they try to get you to focus on wh