Lawyer and unfortunately a week before that adam shift and i think im kind of a normal pretty smart guy you know i like politics always home i dont understand whats going on here what are these hearings about why are lawyers interviewing lawyers where are fact witnesses ok and im not god im not taking a partisan side here im looking at the process here i dont understand the process current go ahead in palm beach. I think most of america doesnt understand the process and i just like you im somebody who absorbs politics all day every day and obvious starting at 2 in the south because its become simply rhetoric and if you look at the watergate scandal youre talking about 3 articles of impeachment that yes were great on if you look at bill clinton its 4 articles of impeachment again a great odd you look at this its new articles of impeachment that they basically just pulled out of this you crazy scandal what happens. In the motor report i thought this was all going to be based on the mower report and because it didnt fit their narrative anymore theyve now just grasping at something new to make their case they will stop at nothing these democrats will stop at nothing to impeach this president and theyll stop at nothing to just do anything they can to affect this 2020 alexion this is treason quite frankly they are looking to affect the election this is not about actually anything that the president did its simply about the fact that they dont even have any viable candidates lined up for 2020 and they have nothing else its a big nothing burger ok brian you jump in there i mean im im trying to give everyone the benefit of the doubt i really am ok and im not taking im not taking the sign here but i do remember these past impeachments and i remember that they were very huge issues they were actually very tedious when it came to the law and it was most importantly bi partisan this partisanship here worries me the most here ok because if i cant as a political junkie understand really what is the kernel of all of this then i think the American People obviously they dont watch politics every heartbeat of the day like i do and like the rest of us do on this panel i mean what is compelling about this process that im missing go ahead bernie. Well 1st of all i think youre mischaracterizing the bill clinton impeachment i was around so that impeachment too and that was not exactly like artists exercise where there were less thats a fair thats a fair point thats a fair or less unfair or less a strict or it was more or less a Straight Party line vote now your question of where are the facts and where the factual witnesses i dont know peter if you were 2 men did in the past couple of weeks but weve had plenty of sexual witnesses weve had people testifying under oath who are all on the whole line with donald trump and leaders of ukraine testify what was the crime what was a crime committed a crime they were asked we had them on but they were asked and none of them said they knew on National Television on down to television they they were asked what crime of they would reach the level of impeachment no one raised their hand seeking florida election interference thats what they all test. Oh ok graham why dont you jump in on that ok i mean the United States interferes in elections all around the world all the time and now it is willing. To let me go at it how its going to equal time last night its let everybody jump in with that everyone jump and then we can have it spread it out go ahead graham. Yeah this is a fantastic reality t. V. Show thats put on by the ruling class to have these 2 ridiculous corporate war parties battle amongst this nonsense as was just brought up that look it was very partisan for clinton but even clinton actually as it was stated had 4 articles of impeachment he lied to the grand jury and all of these democrats who back in the during the clinton era were like oh this is a witch hunt theyre now doing the same thing here with heres whats going on with the democrats i dont agree there is a very strong candidate its called Bernie Sanders that is the most popular candidate weve ever had but the Democratic Party if they give over to him they lose they lose all their corporate money they lose all their corporate so they cant have Bernie Sanders in poll after poll is beating trump head to head hes beating trump head to head in texas if a democrat wins texas its over but they cant do that ok going to cram or he would rather lose to republican ok ok yes answered my question so youre saying youre saying but democrats would rather lose to donald trump than have Bernie Sanders elected youre saying that. Absolutely because of but i think theres something to it takes no corporate money i think theres something to it theres a corporate my he doesnt take you to court ok let me go back to the good to be go to court and keep it moving its go back to palm beach here ok ok brian disagrees with this and thats good because disagreement is good because that moves is towards the truth what in your mind is the crime or not crime committed because brian is saying that there is a crime committed go ahead con. Theres no crime committed and its the democrats grasping at straws and what amazes me about this is the fact that you know if you look at it it seems so Crystal Clear to most that most of us you know they started this all off you know talking about the smaller investigation and if you just look at the pivot just look at the pivot towards the ukraine and all of a sudden its so obvious whats happened and why are we not talking about the democratic involvement why are we not talking about everything that they did why are we so focused on strictly the president and strictly on discrediting him because they at the end of the day this is about the 2020 alexion all this is a ploy and its sad for the American People because there was a time that we could have a healthy debate and there was a time that there was a bipartisan system in place and there was a time where we really focus on having a 2 party system and somehow weve gotten totally away from that and there is just this situation that is so contentious and so bad its not even serving the American People anymore and like a lot of americans i will miss that the point and im in politics where i want to tune it out because it really makes no sense and there is no factual basis there is no crime and thats why theyve turned this into the whole ukrainian scandal is because they had a big nothing with the mole or report and now all of a sudden they have something to grasp onto and theyre going to take any little kernel that they can and thats it. And i think i dont think we should waste a whole lot of time if there was a crime or not a crime because if you look at the process how its being brought up. And shown to the public i mean i think any rational person fair minded person would say this is a pretty one way one party dictating the process here and its. All go back to the nixon one and will stay away from the bill clinton one was bipartisan it was very carefully done i dont see any of that here and i think thats a danger to the institution of congress and civil public debate about politics go ahead brian im actually reaching out to you brian go ahead. Once again peter i with all due respect i dont think youre paying attention but 1st we need to start we need to start by going back to whether or not a crime was committed if everybody on this panel cant agree that seeking for election assistance on the part of a United States candidate is not a federal when youre talking about 2006 are you talking about 2006000 213 and im talking im talking about what they said didnt i so you have someone from the representing the d. N. C. Going in talking to the ukrainians why isnt anybody no ones talking about that i cant do one person and that in the Tram Campaign i went to you i ran my looking for your west youre ok well i mean you know what the problem is is that this is whats happened if i dont misread how to go from you know we have we have this parallel conversation thats what its turned into keep going thats because youre not listening to us and you know youre not adding 10 and youre not adding to it ok youre just saying a crime how do you think im not what is the crime scene here or has and go ahead is trying all over me go ahead you know what rick where a partisan rancor is coming from you asked me a polite question i try to politely answer you and your yelling a lot for me and realistically its everyones list of names everyones lies and i know you know well ive noticed you let the other guests seek uninterrupted i cant talk for 5 seconds before you shouting go ok youre wasting youre wasting time you want to answer not well thats because you have to give me time to answer questions or you just need your 2nd so you just get your to 2nd some words are up just like the 2 other guests can i get that go ahead and i get ok 1st of all if we can all agree that it is a crime to see or to see for an election assistance in the United States of america we have a conversation thats number one number 2 this whole business of it being some kind of a not quite bipartisan this investigation has the conducted almost to it steve so the law and that was to see. The exact same way the investigations into Richard Nixon and bill clinton are there are 3 parts ok or 3 they are you know youre ok then you might feel like i dont know why this happened i know why this had with iraq i know why this happens you know why it happened and i can go right into my desires to win it because you want to see an end and you want to m. S. M. Be so thats all you want your are reduced watching and that is going to say i dont know me all you are being that all the other times that you are a cheater are saying there are just too when it process number one is the investigation which is conducted behind closed doors number 2 there is a house hearing and number 3 there is a senate trial and you havent even gone so you dont pay and the g. O. P. One thing i recall there is a good city full of r. T. L. Say that this is like hunting my dog in any other life. Yet so the process again we are exposed to. Every run everybody has shadow us and less said ok you sir until it moves to trial we havent got the trial yet why does the so complicated for republicans youre either lying or you dont know the law yourself ok well thats a very but you give us all very limited options there i k were going to go to a short break and after that your break well continue our discussion on impeachment stay with. Liz. Please. Liz. Liz. Claims. And very well can see you watching us in such. When the balance came in 20080 theres a lot of money printing going on people said wheres the inflation the government says theres no inflation you know and then a lot of people say well actually health care and education are skyrocketing in value you dont count those and thats why youre misreading inflation and this has been going on for years new evidence suggests. We found it we found the missing inflation. When almost seemed wrong. But old just dont hold. Any belief to shape out these days become active. And engaged equals betrayal. When so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground. Its the. Task i wouldnt. Take im. Not trying. To show. You love to. Do make to see that you dont want to come. To work to have a look at the kook on the standards of the hour now as you. Know most of the football team. I knew of those. 2 this in the spirit in 92 when the. 2 would you hire the moody tried to use in to do. Just. One of them with your house on their own classroom. Welcome back to crossfire all Things Considered im Peter Lavelle to remind you were discussing impeachment. Ok graham lets go back to you in los angeles and i Say Something and this will be in reference to to our good friend brian ok i dont care if donald trump is impeached ok i really dont but i do care i do care about you know they hang on everybody hang on but i do care about process here and i have to categorically disagree with what brian had to say here this is been so one sided and i and desperate broken so many precedents i keep going back to the nixon impeachment and that i think is a model here. Ok and unfortunately the way the process is being done now were going to go through impeachment every 20 years probably ok because its being treated in such a callous way talk about process graham well thats the way i agree and thats by problem with this is this if we go through this process then well then then the next democratic president the republicans are going to do this i mean this is just this is the problem i have with this 2 party system its so one sided if were going to talk about ukraine lets talk about 100. 00 biden getting 50000. 00 a month from his dad like we always both parties are so corrupt and then you have people like a lot of festers turnley i believe who talk to one who sees that thats the bipartisan problem theyre all. You going graham Democratic Party is corrupt i dont know robert oh man when i listen to your Little Island or to. Rant theres no read about it all there is no you but yes youre brian please please go Brian Griffin leaves you there are you. On the board of directors ok. Fine im talking to you yeah im talking to the grandmothers all right so come on you guys stuff you dont have time to stop chewing up time go ahead graham the ruling class is completely corrupt this process is complete the law professor turley said were the process isnt good and no one on amazon b c or c. N. N. Covers that 11 turnley said that this is a distraction 219219 democrats voted to extend the patriot act during this whole circus so thats what this is really about and you know were also not talking about how trump in the clintons are all tied to epstein so none of this is really being talked about this is a circus and a distraction 60 percent of americans dont have money for a handle a 501000. 00 emergency and were talking about this its like the russian distraction if were going to talk about russia interfering in the election why dont we talk about the democrats being corrupt in their own. Mary im so tired of this ruling class ridiculous corruption from both of these completely corrupt parties that all they care about is money and war and banks and wall street and i dont know its a its a ridiculous circus its like were out watching the real housewives of washington d. C. Its a complete waste of time and the American People dont care what a bunch of beltway insiders be they g. O. P. Or d. N. C. Think about lets have a real debate on how were going to affect Climate Change or wow theres another thing were not talking about ok pleat climate collapse ok all right all right you know ok lets go to this let me go to palm beach let me go to Palm Beach County and i am for freedom of speech graham had his bit the following thats ok with me and i want the same kind of question to you about process here and i will repeat what i said in the beginning in the 2nd part of the program i dont care if donald trump is impeached ok but looking at this process here. Not being allowed to call witnesses the way he shifted and jerry. Was running the his. Judiciary committee i mean it just its absurd i mean interrupting people not put not allowing points of order and coaching coaching witnesses as well its really quite obvious here i think its very very dangerous again ill say for the 3rd time i dont care if trump is impeached but i care how its done go ahead its about a little too also no im not trying to play im trying to placate you will not have been dry and hot this is the problem this is only 100 percent the problem and brian is illustrating so perfectly and im just sitting over here smirking at myself because you know peter that i love a debate more than anyone it i can argue all day long you know better than any out of the lot and i do it every single day but youre you are absolutely not working im going out with because you were just loyal supporter of the 1st sadly i dont want to know exactly why. Whats wrong with the laughter right now and that is like there is not. A ready view d points out of what are your own just dont want to tolerate like anybody else ok this is a waste of time it ok time youre like the royal liberals are like this ok ok ill let me ask you 3 am let me ask you guys dont let me ask a bipartisan question here and ill go to brian ok all right. Come on take it seriously i do know is that you think do you think theres do you think theres a lack of tolerance in this debate here that neither side wants to listen to the other i mean when you look at the i. G. Report and then you look at the Judiciary Committee it reminds me of the western front during world war one you know everyone just and i think what is go ahead brian and i finish i finish my question now you can answer go ahead ok what is that like you are. A lot of malfeasance yes yes it also contains i notice that you did not mention this it also contains that this investigation its a double trouble rush is completely justified why didnt you. When you go you want to testify go ahead you have your time go right ahead but i know its not me its in the report. Well im what is a Reference Point here i mean the mother report i read it once no where did the letter reported him didnt the mother reported demonic it again here we go by or it is there are 2 important things in that i. G. Report and youre only reporting one why is that well you have the floor go right ahead i write only ill want to tell. You what you get he added if you dont you know he said hed be on my own program go right ahead say it straight out means only its only reporting on one of them because he is trying to see if his own political narrative if you actually read the i. G. Report you will see that the information that there was no political bias and that there was legal justification for best Job Well Done lets try and i didnt mention i didnt mention bias you did i didnt mention it i expose you didnt know because and i thought if the reporter had said it was biased i would have said it but i they say they denied it all art hey youre his report for survive artisanship if this site you report shows that the f. B. I. Bungled thi