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A crisp your walls catastrophic when you have far as where the smog ends up in new zealand you know that its a catastrophic fire we have to repeal some of the vegetation wars because people couldnt get proper access on roads because trees that form of the roads and excess grain legislation that said you cannot have a trade in paid the the capacity of fire trucks to arrive at areas and people to evacuate from there is obviously we have to accept that the climate is changing and its harder and its drawing but no legislation in our palm thats going to change that we need you know when the peoples republic of china decide to change in india the czars the change and. Then i suppose we can have some water of a medic and against that the Chinese Communist party claims to be engaging in the largest Renewable Program in World History but what you seem to be saying is its not just Climate Change its. Some of the responsibility has to be the Prime Minister Scott Morrison. Look at china can say that but theyre going to put on a lot more call for past actions in the struggle as in the coming years. Its kind of which way do you want to. Also we have to acknowledge that china doesnt have to sign up to any of the other Emission Reduction process they might be signing up to the treaty but their actual active active action wont start till 2030 likewise with india and you know as i always say to people if you think you can change chinas actions in gods Carbon Emissions then why stop there maybe you should make a move on getting them to. The way to people who are incarcerated in excess of a 1000000 a northwest of china well of course china also denies that the existence of any reeducation camps of the sort you talked about in Mainstream Media but lets get to our Australian Citizen julian as vironment in britain what do you understand australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison is doing for Julian Assange the worlds most famous publisher well i think is the issue here is we got to take the julian a songe as the central figure out of the equation and lets just talk about sovereignty remember Julian Assange was in a stray incidents the novices in the United States he wasnt in the United States when they happened they didnt come from julia songe there were leaks from a person who had that thomas called Bradley Manning now called Chelsea Manning so what exactly are you going to extradite julian a songe a citizen of the stroke here to the United States for for the actions of a another party Bradley Manning who gave him information which he then published surely that is no different to the newspapers you then publish what was on wiki leaks maybe they should all go to the United States to be tried under United States law i mean where does this one stop its patently absurd with the like him or not i think i particularly like you in a sanjeev i met him i dont think i dont warm to him as a character and i want to make this explicitly clear this is about the principle of law the principle of sovereignty not about my views good or otherwise about a person im jus innocent. Obviously the un special rapporteur actually spoke to us the other day telling smears of his character a part of his georgia but after what you just said. Why do you think then that Prime Minister Scott Morrison is clear he says he is unable to intervene for what you say is a case of an australian facing the wrong jurisdiction well you know i try to. Pose the question ill do my part here ill say that. Even in the United States there are those that have clearly said that is cannot be an indictment against you in a songe is not says of the United States certainly there are people from the United States who are not even though other countries may wish their presence to be indicted for events is theres no way in gods earth of the United States release them for that we have an issue here they talk about press freedom and that is the capacity of journalists to print what has been delivered to them by another source where they havent actually committed a crime breaking in accessing those that information but merely printed it and my problem is not just with people in sort of premier positions of politics in the stroller its also with the media i think really a little bit hypocritical on this that they railed against other journalists who they feel were if affected in offended by. Raids on them in regards information theyve got. On other issues person and to government policy and they say that this is unfair not rageous but when it came to the issues with mr songe they werent so vociferously in fact though in some instances they lost their tongue now our words suggest that you have to be consistent. And the consistency should not be on the character of mr assads because that becomes a persons personal views about another person to be on the principles of law and should be on the principles of sovereignty it should be on the premise of facts but he wasnt in the United States i mean how do you commit a crime in a country would he in. Yeah well the United Nations agrees with you so what are australian elites so frightened of as they said i mean this is Scott Morrison says he cant intervene but surely youre referring to Barrie Cassidy of the Australian Broadcasting corporation who runs a Program Inside is apparently. They were revealing u. S. War crimes in afghanistan based on wiki leaks revelations and they were raided by federal police in australia or yeah well i mean are those follow me on wiki leaks i read about it in the australian i brought it up with president barack obama actually when he was here i said are you might have read about me on wiki leaks some rather surprised and your views about me i hope that we have an argument or debate around the principles of loran the principles of sovereignty not some sort of sort of he said she said character assessment about mr songe because that one just gets bogged down in personality bog and peoples fears and and loses sight of the facts now weve had something similar this before and that was the david hicks case is another person that i have are a god for but in that case once more i spoke up against then my Prime Minister which was john howard saying look corpus is a principle that exists beyond the seas of david hicks and we have to abide by habeas corpus now the good thing about that is she was there many senior q. C. s that actually came out after that and supported me and i said you know were so glad someone said that because that is exactly our views we have no we have no real like or otherwise or affinity or. With the david hicks he image of david hicks was really an citizen sent to us torture camp but guantanamo you campaigned for him do you think us are just lawyers should bear in mind given that the 26 hicks case against the Australian Government was also about extradition this going in australian. That isnt right well the thing that annoyed me that stage is one of the one of his grades advocates was a former marine u. S. Marine went to listen to a u. S. Marine. Basically condemn us and say why dont you stick up for your own citizens its not a character of system and see a belief in your own laws now. You know i had to agree with him and what i want in this instance is the same sort of. Clear thought that were not going to bat for mr assads going to bat for the principle of a strain sovereignty and the primacy of a strand lords over straley ns. To be quite frank who were instrumental you ok but you were deputy Prime Minister are you seriously saying the north who is a at the cia n. S. A. Base at pine gap near other springs could commit a crime and would be tried in australia or not immediately bundled off to one of the United States is black sites or or even going to them or would they have a different scenario there 1st of all there in australia and that be initially tried by strand lords and if there was an offense against the strand laws then i suppose. That you know that what course of action happens after that im not familiar with all the cameras laws in the strobe but if that was an offense against a strand law for which one of the actions is so prescribed by that law was that you could be extradited to the United States and thats completely different issue but in this instance i dont think society even broken a stray animal or there was no law to break he he didnt he didnt go in and break into a computer Bradley Manning indeed he was merely the receiver of information from Bradley Manning so we can reveal that go off with blum was effectively overthrown by the usa for speaking out about buying gap saying it might be close to if you threw the cia out do you think given that was why the governor general of australia might have to explain what the governor general is this court morrisons been frightened of intervening on as because david hurley you know go. General zack Scott Morrison well look i dont think thats not look on trying to be a straight shooter and im telling you the way i see these signs so im going to be a straight shooter on this i think its absolute rubbish and you know that the cia i changed is trying government is trying papal change is trying government because everybody misses the 2nd part of that story yes. Governor general. At that stage. Basically sacked or put aside. Gough whitlam the promise to go off with them because the palm it was becoming an operable and things were an eyeball to get through it now these then they had an election and the astronomy and people decided who the government would be the final arbiter of that was these trained people they thought that you know mr whitman was the right person i would have elected him back in but i didnt and just finally about election interference and xander down of the 4 were foreign minister a controversial figure being attacked by one of the old drums full of Foreign Policy advisers george problems in the United States he is warning the british people of corbin government in the United Kingdom the interference from a former Australian Foreign minister. You know if you want to listen closely to Alexander Downer and i bet youve had a stroll pall of 100 people in the streets of piccadilly ill be very surprised if more than 5 of them knew who Alexander Downer was i dont say that is interference for what everybody has to thank you youre welcome thank you very much after the break with Mainstream Media coverage of politics ahead of thursdays u. K. General election down for bias could know when chomsky the author of manufacturing consent about power and propaganda actually be wrong not about propaganda but about linguistics we talked to professor marc methot about the cradle of humanity all the more coming up about you going underground. Fear is losing. Good no were trying to. Thank you know miles you know were going to. Find. You good. Boy turn compared. To what weve got to do is identify the threats that we have its crazy confrontation let it be an arms race. Spearing dramatic developments only and. I dont see how that strategy will be successful very critical time to sit down and talk. Welcome back whatever the result of thursdays u. K. General election one of the key themes of the Campaign Leading up to it has been the propensity of particular politicians to lie to the public but where does this human characteristic to manipulate come from and how did it arguably become the most important evolutionary trait of all time one that guaranteed human supremacy over the other apes joining me now is professor mark maslin whose new book the cradle of humanity have the changing landscape of africa made us so smart is out now mark welcome back to going on the run tell me about the cradle of humanity you worked what 3 and a half 1000000000 years in this book well i do start watching the beginning of the universe and what more that. You know but really im focusing on about the last 5000000 years where the real key steps for Human Evolution are things that make us who we are now the. When we get on to the sculpture im going to ask you with Climate Change obviously being the most pressing issue homonyms which is what you call them there in the book. Some people might be surprised to see that you talk about obviously the book is about Brain Development in the evolution but you talk about the hugely important aspect of the influence of plate tectonics on climate of geo physical changes on climate you dont think putin in trouble read the book and say drill away with the fossil fuels well i think the interesting thing about plate tectonics is it sets the scene if we look say at the difference between say amazonia and east africa at the moment amazonia is flat and has been flat for basically 2030 1000000 years whereas everythings changed in east africa and thats the driving force so without the uplift of the rift valley without the fragmentation of the vegetation those primates that living there wouldnt have a volt and we wouldnt exist so that fragmentation in those shoes mountain ranges are absolutely essential to produce the environment which then created the right conditions for us to get smarter but it is landscape and climate together continually d into change affecting how our brains became brames what the key thing is if you think about living on africa you want fresh water you want to behave to have food etc and if those change or they drop off the menu you suddenly have to adapt and so thats what evolution is its a way of basically changing organisms to actually cope with the rapid changes around you and actually one of the key things was asking smarter well ill get to the brains of a 2nd but then what do you use this phrase climate rollercoasters what are climate rollercoasters and their influence on human habitation and all animal life so. Of the interesting things is its a real mixture of all the influences of all the tectonics uplifting africa and fragmenting it we then have changes in the way the earth was round the sun which changes the rainfall patterns in east africa so we suddenly get wet periods and then dry periods which fill up these huge lakes in east africa and then they disappear and its that stress that rapid stress that roller coaster or of between generations is a desert is of the lake thats whats actually driving the evolution but you maintain that all that powerful influence and determinacy is nothing as compared to the past 100 years or so of the Industrial Revolution in the last 100 years we have completely changed the face of the earth and its not just Climate Change if you look at all of our impact when the best stat i have is if we think about the weight of mammals on the land at the moment 30 percent are humans 67 percent is all our livestock only 3 percent of them arent life that David Attenborough and others keep running around trying to film so we completely change the surface of the earth in a 100 years and going back to the skull yes. So crucial of all the influences of all these cross influences these girls are a testament to that so if we have a look at the skulls i mean the most important monocles is here this one is sort of lucy now lucy. Us is probably came up to your mid sort of arm and was slightly smarter than the chimpanzee but was walking up like by peter and thats the 1st thing that happens that mentation of east africa meant that food sources became further apart and therefore if you have to be a primate like a chimpanzee the easiest way to be fish until locomotion get up and walk so thats the 1st. Bit ok so we go from the this were seen from australia to see. So we have here the start of d our own lineage which is homo and the interesting thing is as you notice there isnt really much difference in size the only reason this one is called home hubble is is because it was found with stone tools and that time in these of late 6 in the early seventys stone tools were supposed to be amazing these were the things that set us apart from other animals we now know that other animals used tools and we also know that stone tools have been found much much earlier now many years separate them. So this one occurs about 3 and a half 1000000 years ago in east africa this one occurs about 2 and a half 1000000 years and then we go on to my favor in order to abstract thought yet window into a were not this is where the controversy comes in because this is homo erectus this is truly the step forward they stand about same height as us their skull is about 80 percent bigger than sort of previously it has social groups it has changes in our movement so we know that they could throw spears if they wanted to they