About stand by principles and you know if the Birmingham University has a set of values which are the spouses in this country it should ensure that those values are also spiles wherever its chooses to put up campuses outside of this country it cant have one law for people in britain and then a different law for people in dubai that smacks of our ignorance its next of western privilege it smacks of disrespecting the human rights of the people of dubai and i want to say that this is not just about the human rights of the lecturers and staff of the university its also about the human rights of the people in dubai itself live under a very very oppressive regime ok we have to leave it there for now mohammed if we can Peter Tatchell thanks very much for joining us on r. T. So we look from moscow for this hour your next update from us follows watching the hawks. Greetings and salutation now that we are in full Holiday Season mode here in the United States of america many of us are taking the ubiquitous trip home or abroad to see the relatives well were watching the hawks thought it would be a good time to bring you the latest in travel news concerning our good friends with department of Homeland Security yes it seems like the little elves working feverishly at the d. H. Asses to supposedly protect our friendly skies from terrorists and those evil doers looking to smuggle regular sized bottles of shampoo on to the airplane yes they have decided 5 that facial Recognition Technology should not just be for foreign nationals visiting the u. S. Shores anymore you know in a new filing the da just proposes that quote to Priscilla Tate the implementation of a seamless biometric entry exit system that uses spatial recognition and to help prevent persons attempting to progeny use u. S. Travel documents and identify criminals and known or suspected terrorists the d. H. S. S. Is proposing to amend the regulations to provide that all travelers including u. S. Citizens may be required to be photographed upon entry or departure. I yes because remember kiddies in a surveillance based police state every one is a suspect and needless to say the American Civil Liberties union has a few issues with the idea that u. S. Citizens could soon be forced into facial recognition programs just for visiting on hell good new nick j. Stanley a senior policy analyst at the American Civil Liberties union told tech crunch quote time and again the government told the public and members of congress that United States citizens would not be required to submit to this intrusive Surveillance Technology as a condition of traveling this new notice suggests that the government is reneging on what was already in sufficient promise which is not surprising given that the u. S. Governments history of making promises to respect our privacy is about is its about as trustworthy as your boyfriends but delany while vacationing in vegas over Super Bowl Weekend and we all know we cheated and that my friends is why we must always be watching the whole us. To see. What its like you know that i got. To. Welcome everybody to watching the hawks i am and i wrote them for and joining us today to discuss Homeland Security his new love affair with facial Recognition Technology is legal journalist and contributor contributor to americas lawyer with might happen tony of the fantastic molly boyles molly always a pleasure thank you. Thank you all right so is this new push by the d h s to implement the usual Recognition Technology and u. S. Citizens entering an exit in the country was it do you think it was ultimately inevitable i mean were we always going to end up in this direction because thats just seems where our government wants to go. I think thats exactly right this department is for pres facial recognition checks for all people now traveling in and out of the United States including as you said u. S. Citizens not just foreigners not just visitors and this is new but as you said it probably was something theyve been wanting to do all along youve seen other Law Enforcement agencies already attempting to do it theres a 1000000000. 00 in fact set aside for the f. B. I. To build a data system and well talk about that in a 2nd but before this particular proposal citizens had been exempt from those mandatory checks no no no were not going to scan your face but now they want to scan your face home is security as you know responsible protecting our borders controlling immigration and they say this is needed and theyve already been using it more and more to catch visitors travelers who are leaving the country who have overstayed their visas and now they want to expand it to u. S. Citizens coming and or going so well see you know if this is going to get a lot of public support there are already quite a few people that are concerned about the violation of civil rights but he wants to have facial recognition scanners at the 20 largest airports in the u. S. By 2021 so this is part of that plan to implement those scanners and how they want to implement this plan is to basically cast a scan blank if you will and scan all of our faces as we come and go catch a new potential criminals and to me this is one of those like classic triple trickle down effect things you know its like oh its just for you know people you know foreigners entering the country and foreign travelers oh now its just u. S. Citizens entering and exiting the country from overseas and soon you know at the rate they go itll be 0 if youre crossing state to state you know if youre traveling from wichita to minneapolis guess what. Where does the u. S. Citizens right to privacy now larry when it comes to patient Recognition Technology does our constitution protect us from a or have they moved past the constitution to this point. I think that they want to debate the constitution is what it boils down to so in order to really answer your question i got to talk a little bit about how this all works and essentially they use what you talked about those bio metrics and they want to compare a fair picture that they like they say they scan your face if youre leaving or coming from an airport they want to compare it to a picture theyve already got on hand like a social media picture or government issued id a state drivers license a mug shot Something Like that and then they use specific memory measurements like the distance between your eyes the width of your nose your jaw and things you might not nestle want to know about yourself but they want to know because they take that they compare it to known picture and to find a possible match so are you who you say you are do you have the right documentation is there anything that they need to know about you its basically how social Media Companies tag people in photos so when its used scientifically with these standards they get a pretty good accuracy rate in 2001 police in tampa used it for the super bowl but guess what they found is that you know if they can control it to a photo that also previously existing photo that also had those same sort of controlled environmental measures if you will then then it works out pretty good but if theyre comparing it to an older photo that maybe didnt use those same metrics either not so sure and thats what they found in the super bowl in tampa they did find people that maybe had some outstanding warrants but they were petty criminals and they also had some mistaken identity so there are some issues with the technology which also plays into concerns about your constitution and its just one of many concerns when it comes to Civil Liberties as you mentioned the American Civil Liberties not at all happy about this. You know they they basically said that people have a right to privacy you know youre talking about the 4th amendment at that point if you walk into a public place you expect that you know you dont necessarily want the government knowing all of your business you have a right to privacy but there is some case law that says that faces are public that when youre out and about put in. Face out there its public however you know it goes back more theres also some concerns about the 1st amendment you know is this going to be violating peoples rights from that perspective as well so while the technology is not available for public use thats another reason that theyre saying this could potentially have some. Constitutional concern so again simply have a live Civil Liberties union saying the government has reneged on its promise not to target citizens they say that they are going back and violating their Constitutional Rights again talking about their privacy and and concerns again that its a violation of the 1st amendment you have a reasonable expectation of privacy but can you expect that to be applied. Especially if the if there is still some bugs in the technology thats being worked out exactly where you bring up so many great point small you know i want to ask this too is one of the dangers we a little bit time with one of the dangers of using facial recognition and other biometrics beyond just the legal and constitutional implications you know and im thinking specifically of like how many times have we seen Government Agencies like the dia just get hacked mail and then suddenly about information becomes in hackers hands. Yes thats a very real concern and youve got everyone from the American Bar Association to the American Civil LibertiesUnion Raising these exact same questions and concerns you know its interesting when you had the freddie gray death in baltimore there was a lot of controversy around that roland because he was a black man that died in Police Custody and there were riots in the streets so police used facial techniques facial Recognition Technology during those riots and they managed to identify a number of people with outstanding warrants but would they have necessarily been arrested if they hadnt used that technology and you know Law Enforcement will come in and say its an effective tool were Getting Better with technology all the time were working out the bugs the f. B. I. Is getting a 1000000000 dollars to create a database so they can make these comparisons more accurately but the bottom line is theyre still getting your business its the same is like running a red light they take a picture of your tag you know sure you might have run the red light or come close to it but theres a theres this. Is it really breaking the law for no one was there to see it not to say that people are its important to be safe its important to recognize potential terrorists or criminals that are coming or entering coming into or leaving our country but the average citizen being subjected to this sort of invasion of privacy or perhaps inconsistent technology that is what Civil Liberties folks are up in arms about they say this essentially reneging on the governments promise to you know uphold their Constitutional Rights and theyre just basically moving towards a police state and that theyre concerned exactly about going to say thank you thank you so much smaller boroughs will come when you are absolutely from past a good job that you do down there and keep up the great work and always a pleasure and we come back again. Thank you. All right hawk watchers i bet you cannot guess what is so important that the United States government just butt 22000000000 dollars on it take a guess student loan forgiveness. Public Housing Construction come on how about how some approved highway or high speed rail projects 22000000000. 00 so really the answer is no do all of the above instead we spent 22000000000. 00. To clear powered submarines yes 9 with an option to buy a temp for just the paltry price of 1800000000. 00. Money well spent here is our to the american side of the story. General dynamics has received a 22000000000. 00 contract from the u. S. Navy to build 9 Nuclear Powered submarines over the next decade making and the largest contract in the Services History now the actual deliveries of the submarines are scheduled to start in 2025 with an option for a 10th submarine for an additional 1800000000. 00 now wood said steve clouse submarines apart is that theyre designed to a tag of land and sea targets with tomahawk cruise missiles and other weapons theyre also known for their speed stealth maneuverability and advanced technologies used for intelligence gathering these submarines can event generate their own water and oxygen and can stay submerged for months at a time the submarines are replacing the Los Angeles Class of submarines which were deteriorating to replace retired versions of the cold war era submarine already 18 of the attack submarines have been delivered to date including a 700000000000. 00 for the prior installment which at the time was the navys largest contract these massive contract also comes just months after the head of the u. S. The navy in the pacific warned of a massive Chinese Naval buildup and is troubling getting enough submarines to counter it in fact call schuster a former director of operations at the u. S. Pacific command joint Intelligence Center said clode this deal marks a u. S. Navys latest respond to chinas growing military power and aggressive actions in the western pacific experts say the u. S. Is facing unprecedented pressure in the press if it largely from the chinese navy that has been making huge leaps in the numbers and quality of its submarine fleet beijings force is also expected to grow with china in the next 5 years expected to roll out their version of the advanced Nuclear Powered submarine now the u. S. Navy told Congress Earlier this year that the submarine activity by the 3 u. S. Adversaries in the pacific would you call china russia and north korea have increased threefold since 2008 Congress However announce that only half of the submarines that the u. S. 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All right youd be hard pressed to find a more controversial politically charged birthday gallow than the 70th anniversary celebration of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization or nato that is currently taking place in london this week as the New York Times reports the events for nato 70th birthday which was actually celebrated back on april 4th have been considerably to. Down the times writes normally the 70th anniversary like the 50th would have been held in washington where the alliances founding treaty was signed with 3 days of pomp substance and white house dinners however the times goes on the right that given mr trump some predictability in his doubts about the Alliance Nato countries decided to have only a Foreign Ministers meeting in washington on the actual anniversary in april in fact talk watchers were around the campfires that this weeks london get together was really only added because apparently britain wanted to show it still mattered in transatlantic Security Affairs what with the whole brecks of affair