Opinions that american and British Services are tense in to the stabilized destabilized no right yes no it hong kong is a big revenue and for beijing well i hope so but mostly you know what they want to go but what is happening here is that theyre hurting themselves hong kong and in the process here deem one of the interesting things is that if you look at the media you know its all about democracy or you know why you think waving a British Colonial flag there was no democracy in heart in hong kong under British Colonial rule what are they talking about or is it just a talking point obviously this wasnt the right kind of colonialism it was British Colonialism if not russian colonialism or Spanish Colonial but i just love this you know in their water drawn oh you know what they describe their Peaceful Protesters who were just staying in for their freedom so then just the next paragraph one. The police collect a contraflow more of cork tales hold out baskets of premature weapons in the golden sleeve insurance balls with their office and clean the wreckage with hundreds of people that you know so you know the western media controls are the Peaceful Protesters or do they have contracts of more difficult its the same story as with tea you know that the western media wants to have it both ways they want to intimidate the government doing to me did that and at the same time to have this image of purely peaceful protest is one of the interesting seeing robert i think it is fascinating again looking at the through the media prism you would. If you would get the impression that hong kong and china are 2 different places you would get the impression that hong kong is not part of china and that its a narrative a media narrative that is being pushed this is an internal affair of china well if you look if you look at the at the end china legislation the trumpets pushing through its very its very ironic to me that one of them is that it bans the export of nonlethal munitions ok so were talking about tear gas. Tasers pepper spray ok so its interesting to me that these are the exact type of weapons that the western governments regularly use against their own people i mean notably in paris for example in paris france whats happening there we had a visit of those protesters i mean people having their eyes shot out with rubber bullets ok so. When the west in the west does Something Like this this is fantastic its the protection of democracy but when china does it here we have you know Grave Human Rights Violations but i just love that you know that off President Trump when these bill i signed this bill out of respect for the president see china that people can call well you dont. See is interesting because its so. Im not really sure its even hypocrisy and i think its going to look really good but you know but marcus i mean this is clearly an attempt to create a hostile relationship with beijing i mean this is something i was the it was a unanimous decision in congress here i mean again this is using sanctions as a political weapon and and its baiting beijing to do something they want something to happen so far nothing has other than some rhetoric coming out of beijing whats the gambit here go ahead mark. Well its not just hong kong that is on the radar the americans and british there is another region its all china that in my opinion we go truly institutes and achilles heel off china and that is the western most region of china its a largely speak in muslim inhabits its region cools down jean jacques campaigns that this is a region but i have been talking with russian officials and chinese officials for about 5 years now and its my conclusion that jim shank not at the moment its henschel it could become what chechnya was to russia in the night of the ninetys and early 2000 and believed in wounds because were starting to read now in american major and in british major these kampala legally malicious and outrageous and unfounded allegations that the chinese authorities have set up a concentration camps in gene shank know what the situation is in james is that it is a hope its true islam its under mentalism and the Chinese Military and the Chinese Police are cracking down as they should be but of course we know that the americans and the real cajun siege accumulation this is something we have seen before this is another playbook here theres a go ahead jim im going to jump in well its amazing that the western press itself report that several years ago or that the socalled Islamic State was actually active printing jack and another more than we know that people from that region arent were in syria would be the same story with burma you know when it happened when there were problems with them or the minority that but its very interesting you know they say go with liberalism formally its about all been border supporting internationalist spirit kind of but when they fight their enemies and these are usually big countries such as russia china. Immediately they pick the enemy its you know their neighbor or that mine or it gets inside this congress and the west supports what kind of crude national is going to say action of yugoslavia which actually knows a lot about i q a croatian fascists against serps ukrainian polish nationalists against russia now more than fundamentalist against china so its one of them mazing traits and latent features of these noted that if theyre not going to liberate it using into all others in the name of human rights something about god to the coverage that it had on hand and internationalism in the name or walk. I think you pretty much covered them above one thought one thing i think that needs to be added is that while the west while the United States and nato through many decades of the regime change operations you know we are investing our money in what war ok what was trying to investing in to do so the new silk road to the west is invest in besting in war for outcomes it cannot control markets reflect upon that because ive said on this program 10 years now is it when does the regime change operation actually bring positive results and always ans and disaster misery and destruction go ahead marcus yes it does and the latest example of spots is in ukraine where the average ukrainian us and is now suffering in. Place thats took place in 2010. Awaits and death and destruction it always benefits American Global and germany and this regime change the straits by wilson said its not going to end the libya is the most recent example that i can cite who might want to mark as you and i and unite very very often agree with each other and i would i would our cut ill meet you halfway on that. It had germany is extended for a time period but it is a very unstable he germany dimma jump in well youre absolutely right that this is germany that benefits because the United States as a country was financially because of what happened in ukraine the ukrainian market shrank relations with russia soured there were mutual sanctions between the United States the u. And russia so basically the western globalists there rigged to move their taxpayers money in huge amounts all the to have the votes so if you have to measure money and they may properly its with the owner and theyre entrepreneurs mind you also well with concord what is interesting is that the market did not react to this so called hong kong. Freedom and democracy act they almost didnt but i threw in a really refused to even use the term ok let me repeat so or will you keep finishing. The markets did not react but the point is that the United States government now will have to make a report every year how autonomous hong kong is so this is bad for business because its not of their Business Count on it was from coal is now its it became a part of china basically there is a transition period there is free press in concord there are many antigay chinese newspapers coming out of South China Morning Post you know Hong Kong Free press there in english there are available bill there were elections recently so its not of the business of the United States all of the you can to check how democratic well. Fortunately world the world works differently when we go to a break here after a short break well continue our discussion on some real news day with 30. What holds its institutions a little. Bit put themselves on the law and. They get accepted or rejected. So when you want to be president or injury. Or something want to be rushed. 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I can come up with lots of arguments and theres a lot of conflict within the game and between the teams close to the conflict i would say throw balls around money and most of them money is made. Close one on the childrens cosimo each other is Good Business the state of california alone makes 6000000000 dollars you have to prison complex just to get some point in your life where. You dont care anymore nobody cares about you so you dont care might anything. Welcome back across the uk where all Things Considered im Peter Lavelle to remind you were discussing some real names. Ok lets go back to marcus in london we have an upcoming nato summit its been truncated for to 2 days i guess they want to avoid any fireworks they wanted to have a perfectly scripted summit as they usually do but it seems to me that there are different. Trajectories in play for the possible future of nato now one thing is for sure nato needs to exist it exists to exist that is its primary objective and to do that it needs to expand but mccrone the part of french president came out and said that nato was brain dead which of course i very rarely agree with the french president but i agree with him on this point and i tend to agree that thats Donald Trumps gut feeling too but thats a tough a topic for another program marcus brain dead nato go ahead well you know i would want to say nothing more than to note this decadence this terrorist this wretched criminal organization cools coast abject pain and suffering for over 20 years now but whilst i believe that nato has overstretched itself i have an expanded since recent year i havent expanded into the old 6 states i do not see its imminent demise in date i dont see the minus as so i believe that if you just look at a map of europe the fact that ukraine as each state goes into great seeing more and more with the west makes that nato is even more important and gets wrong forget Boris Johnson thats the. Get match wrong there are real people in power in america britain and france are the ones you dont see and their commitments and they cannot be challenged it cannot be broken we spoke recently about the amounts of money the americans who are deemed secret since in 6014 and yes you know that money has gone on ukrainian corruption but the americans get something in return they are increasing their presence and with it nato presence in ukraine the americans and not just axes in on the ukrainian lands they are active now at ukrainian poles they are challenging russia in the black sea and the whole surprise for nato is ukraines accession to notes and ok the aussies are good people. But it is possible its its it is possible be a member but i tend to think if you look at what. Was coming in was coming out of berlin it was coming out of paris i think there are some different ideas being thought of here i mean mccrone it seems to me wants to recreate some kind of napoleonic empire ok or is someone on cross told means must week as a. Once theyre essentially sell the French Military to the germans ok but at least a capital b. In paris but the brain dead in statement is important here because it does show a different vision here well im not really sure if its going to work i know that there mccrum wants to be another de gaulle which theres only 1. 00 only i will be only one to go on the air but i mean even the there are the ports isnt in washington the you know the the this is the land take a lions world but there are some new things happening right here because there are tensions over the most interesting thing about this statement from micron about the brain death of nato was their reaction to it how important nato leaders are you know so america. And you said you want your destructive policy on there to glue together. What she did in ukraine ok so why is she an authority on anything there absolutely well the polish Prime Minister there was more advanced also scalded micron you know saying that he statement was irresponsible i mean look how intolerant these people are and they accuse. Everyone was angry because marc wrong invited the leaders of kurdish groups you know to paris he was also angry because Lindsey Graham in the United States is facilitating their visa for someone whose real name is up dish and he in but who is called general called bani by by the u. S. Well i mean how would you react if someone who is can see that a terrorist in your country is welcome to you but by the president do you bring up these inconvenient you know what my point is here is that the media is projecting this seamless unanimous forward blah blah blah you know but you get this in a few seconds you get you gave us some real differences here there is a fish should between turkey and the rest of nature there is a fish to be in france and germany and east European Countries on the other side but what is most important i agree with mark was you know what he said in the beginning that nato has caused more wars recently than it prevent it i mean the wars in ukraine in georgia i ask andrea real Foreign Policy expert he will tell you the real reason the real reason was the decision to expand you know war georgia and ukraine were promised nato membership in 2000 immediately was started in these countries why because this is unacceptable for russia and because these countries leaders felt kind of. Russia you know robert lets be fair here and maybe marcus will disagree with me. During the cold war i and i understand the need for existence of nato during the cold war the warsaw pact dissolved nato should have dissolved is absolutely you know very knowledgeable about all of this here but if you look at you know george in ukraine i mean i think most americans dont understand people in the western world dont understand that the west has no treaty obligations to ukraine whatsoever but as marcus told us a few minutes ago you would know that from the media and from the the clueless bureaucrats that went in front of chairmanships committee for a material kind of a role what are we doing patrick and im going to st in my mind you know but you know it gets down to no matter how you want to spin it its mission to exist is an anti russian expression institutionally no absolutely and i would i would probably argue that its less the nato is socalled brain dead as it is purposeless dead i mean purpose dead there just doesnt seem to be any coherent activity on their part action aside from what youre saying peter is just moving closer and closer and closer to the russian border and probably and probably mostly in provoking the situation provoking you have this is the 1st time in i dont know how many years. The western troops have been right smack on russias border this is a tremendously dangerous thing and it could the slightest little altercation could really and we have. A windy and rainy and trying to reach out but he wont have pressure in washington and in the political satirist really encamp not to move forward georgian president saakashvili he would have never backed off if he didnt feel reassured a few months before that at the nato summit in bucharest when they said georgia will join their alliance in the south you know distant future we dont know where hes hes read. And all that signal was. Not waken stuck to war now i can crush these separatists you know so in this way nato provoked more conflicts in the last i would say 10 to 15 years than it actually. Marcus i want to switch gears here the recent attack on London Bridge which i think should outrage all of us. I cant even use the language on this program to express my outrage here is a man that was convicted of being involved in a terrorist operation had his sentence have to in released because he was rehabilitated how can people be real ability to when they have contempt for your institutions and their culture how can you how that happened this is an outrage because what i see from the british elites in the media that people should be given a 2nd chance fine but victims only get one chance please reflect upon that and to i think im my tone and tenor are correct here go ahead marcus. Iter london has a cancer and has had this cancer for many years now and that chance is violence not just in the form of terrorism islamist terrorism but also in the full night crime and gun crime and despite that what do we hear from the mayor of london