American and British Services are tense in that suit the stabilize destabilize not right yes no it hong kong is a big revenue and for beijing well hope so but mostly you know what they want to go but what is happening here is that theyre hurting themselves hong kong and in the process here demon one of the interesting things is that if you look at the media you know its all about democracy or you know why you think waving a British Colonial flag there was no democracy in heart in hong kong under British Colonial rule what are they talking about or is it just a talking point obviously this wasnt the right kind of colonialism it was British Colonialism important not russian colonialism or Spanish Colonial but i just love this you know in their water drawn oh you know what they describe their Peaceful Protesters who were just staying in for their freedom so then just the next paragraph or 2 of the police collect a contraflow of more of cocked tails who. Boss gets off pretty well in the golden sleeve insurance balls with their office and clean the wreckage with hundreds of people that you know so you know the western media controls are the Peaceful Protesters or do they have contracts of more difficult its the same story as with tea you know the western media wants to have a board to waste they want to intimidate the government doing to me did the population and at the same time to have this image of purely peaceful protest is one of the interesting seeing robert i think it is fascinating again looking at the through the media prism you would. You would get the impression that hong kong and china are 2 different places you would get the impression that hong kong is not part of china and that its a narrative a media narrative is being pushed this is an internal affair china well if you look if you look at the china legislation the trumpets pushing through its very its very ironic to me that one of them is that it bans the export of nonlethal munitions ok so were talking about tear gas. Tasers pepper spray ok so its interesting to me that these are the exact type of weapons that the western governments regularly use against their own people i mean notably in paris for example in paris france whats happening there we had a visit of those protesters i mean people having their eyes shot out with rubber bullets ok so. When the west when the west does Something Like this this is fantastic its the protection of democracy but when china does it here we have you know Grave Human Rights Violations but i just love that you know they call them and off President Trump when these bill i signed this bill was out of respect for the president see china that people can call well you dont trumps hypocrisy is interesting because its so. Im not really sure its even hypocrisy and i think its going to look really good but you know but marcus i mean this is clearly an attempt to create a hostile relationship with beijing i mean this is something i was the it was a unanimous decision in congress here i mean again this is using sanctions as a political weapon and and its baiting beijing to do something they want something to happen so far nothing has other than some rhetoric coming out of beijing whats the gambit here go ahead mark. Well its not just hong kong that is on the radar also the americans and the british there is another region its all china that in my opinion media truly constitutes an achilles heel of china and that is the western most region of china its a largely speak in muslim and how its region cool and. How a piece of this is a region but i have been talking with russian officials and chinese officials for about 5 years now and its my conclusion that jim shank not at the moment thats henschel it could become what chechnya was to russia in the night of the ninetys and early 2000 and bleedin wounds because were starting to read now in american major and in british major these completely malicious and outrageous and unfounded allegations that the chinese authorities have set up concentration camps in june shant know what the situation is in ships is that it is a hope its true islam its under mentalism and the Chinese Military and the Chinese Police are cracking down as they should be but of course we know that the americans in the case entered siege accumulation this is something we have seen before this is another playbook here theres a go ahead jim im going to jump in well its amazing that the western press itself report that several years ago or that the socalled Islamic State was actually active printing and in other more than we know that people from that region are and were in syria would be the same story with burma you know when it happened when there were problems with them or the minority that but its very interesting you know they say go with liberalism call money its about all been border you know supporting internationalist spirit kind of but when they fight their enemies and these are usually big countries such as russia china. Immediately they pick the enemy as you know their neighbor or the mine or it gets inside this congress and the west supports what kind of crude National Going to say action of yugoslavia which in fact is knows a lot about like the way croatian fascists against serps ukrainian polish nationalists against russia now more than fundamentalist against china so its one of them mazing traits and latent features of these noted that if theyre not going to liberate it using into all others in the name of human rights im sure that thats the coverage had on hand and internationalism in the name or walk. I think you pretty much covered them above one thing i think that needs to be added is that while the west while the United States and nato through many decades of the regime change operations you know we are investing our money in what war ok what was trying to investing in to do so the new silk road to the west is invest in besting in war poor outcomes it cannot control markets reflect upon that because ive said on this program 10 years now is it when does the regime change operation actually bring positive results and always ans and disaster misery and destruction go ahead marcus yes it does and the latest example of spots is in ukraine where the average ukrainian honest and is now suffering in. Place places 6000 saying well. Its a waste and death and destruction it always benefits American Global and germany and this regime change the straits by wilson said its not going to end the libya is the most recent example but i can cite my question americans if you would arent you nice very very often agree with each other and i would i would meet you halfway on that. It had gemini is extended for a time period but it is a very unstable had gemini dimma jump in well youre absolutely right that this is germany that benefits because the United States as a country was financially because of what happened in ukraine the ukrainian market shrank relations with russia soured there were mutual sanctions between the United States the and russia so basically the western globalists there rigged to move their taxpayers money in huge amounts all need to have these little you have to measure money do you think they did and they made properties with the owner and their entrepreneurial smile and you also well with concord what is interesting is that the market did not react to this so called hong kong. Freedom and democracy act they almost didnt but i threw a really refused to even use the term ok so where will you keep finishing. The markets did not react but the point is that there are 19 States Government now will have to make a report every year how autonomous hong kong is so this is bad for business because its not of their business how much when it was from corn is now its it became a part of china basically there is a transition period there is free press and can quote there are many antigay chinese newspapers coming out solve China Morning post you know Hong Kong Free press there in english there are available bill there were elections recently so its not of the business of the United States all of the you can to check how democratic well. Fortunately world the world works differently when we go to a break here after a short break well continue our discussion on some real news day with 30. Logo. Moves. Join me every thursday on the alex salmond and ill be speaking to guests of the world of Politics School this list im showbusiness ill see you then. 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Ok lets go back to marcus in london we have an upcoming nato summit its been truncated for to 2 days i guess they want to avoid any fireworks they want to down perfectly scripted summit is they usually do when it seems to me that there are different. Trajectories in play for the possible future of nato now one thing is for sure nato needs to exist. It exists to exist that is its primary objective and to do that it needs to expand but mccrone the problem french president came out and said that nato was brain dead which of course i very rarely agree with the french president but i agree with him on this point and i tend to with agree that thats Donald Trumps gut feeling too but thats a tough topic for another program marcus brain dead nato go ahead well you know peter i would want to say nothing more than the demise of nato this decadence this terrorist this wretched criminal organization the schools coast abject pain and suffering for over 20 years now but what i believe that nato has overstretched itself i havent expanded since reese and your i havent expanded into the boat experience i do not see its imminent demise indeed i dont see its the mayas absolute i believe that if you just look at a map of europe the fact that ukraine as each day goes by is instigating more and more with the west makes that nato is even more important and forget trump forget Boris Johnson if it gets matter of the real people in power in america britain and france are the ones you dont see and their commitments and later can not be a challenge it cannot be broken we spoke recently about the amounts of money the american support in secret since the coup in 2014 and yes you know that money has gone on ukrainian corruption but the americans get something in return they are the increase in their presence and with it nato is present in ukraine the americans and not just axes in all ukrainian lands they are active now at ukrainian poles they are child. And the ultimate friday. Is ukraines accession ok the last people. But its possible. Its it is possible but i tend to think if you look at what. Was coming in was coming out of berlin and was coming out of paris i think there are some different ideas being put on it here i mean mccrone it seems to me wants to recreate some kind of napoleonic empire ok or is someone on cross told means must weak is that mccrone once theyre essentially sell the French Military to the germans ok but at least a capital b. In paris but the brain dead statement is important here because it does show a different vision here well im not really sure if its going to work i know that mccrone wants to be another de gaulle which theres only one to go and only i will be only one to go on the air but i mean even the there are the horses in washington the tickle lions world but there are some new things happening right here because there are tensions over the most interesting thing about this statement from mark crowing about the brain death of nato was their reaction to it how in total agreement need to lead us are you know america will drop when you said you want your destructive policy and there have to glue together they will look at what she did in new crane that day so why is she an authority on anything there absolutely well the border. I mean its that there was more events all sorts called at micron you know saying that the statement was irresponsible i mean look how tolerant these people are and they. Are us everyone was angry because marc wrong invited the leaders of kurdish groups you know to paris he was also angry because graham when they were that the state is facilitating their visa for someone whose real name is up destroyed here but who is called general. Bonnie why by the u. S. Well i mean how would you react if someone who is can see that a terrorist in your country is welcome to you but by the president do you bring up these inconvenient you know what my point is here is that the media is projecting this seamless unanimous. Blah blah blah you know but you get this in in a few seconds you get you gave us some real differences here there is a fish should between turkey and the rest of nature there is a fish to be in france and germany and east European Countries or the other side but what is most important i agree with mark course you know what he said in the beginning that nato has caused more wars recently than it prevent it i mean the wars in ukraine in georgia i ask andrea real for important experts he will tell you the real reason the real reason was their decision to expand you know war georgia and ukraine were promised nato membership in 2000 immediately was started in these countries why because this is unacceptable for russia and because of these countries leaders felt kind of. Russia you know robert lets be fair here and maybe marcus will disagree with me during the cold war i and i understand the need for existence of need to ring the cold war the warsaw pact dissolved nato should have dissolved is absolutely you know very knowledgeable about all of this here but if you look at you know george in ukraine i mean i think most americans dont understand people in the western world dont understand that the west has no treaty obligations to ukraine whatsoever but as marcus told us a few minutes ago you would know that from the media and from the the clueless bureaucrats that went in front of chairmanships committee for him only material kind of the old what do we do about. Canons of st in my you know but you know it gets down to no matter how you want to spin it its mission to exist is an anti russian expression institutionally you know absolutely and i would i would probably argue that its less the nato is socalled brain dead as it is purposeless dead i mean purpose dead there just doesnt seem to be any coherent activity on their part action aside from what youre saying peter is just moving closer and closer and closer to the russian border and prevent anything provoking the situation provoking you have this is the 1st time in i dont know how many years. The western troops have been right smack on russias border this is a tremendously dangerous thing and a kid the slightest little altercation could really and we have me give you something Larry Lindsey and rain trying to reach out but he would have pressure in washington and in in the political satirist really not to move forward georgian president saakashvili he would have never at that. If he didnt feel reassured a few months before that at the nato summit in bucharest when they said georgia will join their alliance you know distant future we dont know where hes hes reading all that signal was. Not like and start to war now i can crush these separatists you know so in this way nato provoked more conflicts in the last i would say 10 to 15 years than it actually. Marcus i want to switch gears here the recent attack on London Bridge which i think should outrage all of us. I cant even use the language on this program to express my outrage here is a man that was convicted of being involved in a terrorist operation had his sentence have released because he was rehabilitated how can people be real ability to. When they have contempt for your institutions and their culture how can you how that happened this is an outrage because what i see from the british elites in the media that people should be given a 2nd chance fine but victims only get one chance please reflect upon that and to i think my my tone and tenor are cor