Same to prevent trump from running again to discuss that im now joined by admit 3 the russian journalist and avid trump what church. To see in the studio thank you very much for coming its great to be here now i know that you do not consider yourself to be triumph and i heard you say that some of the things that he said about women you find you personally find disgusting in the end this is not the kind of impression you gave once you learned about hes victory 3 years ago. That reaction was by the way caught on camera and became famous. For. Oh oh. We are the champions. Wife of who and who are we are we the experts that d predicted the victory of sean planned to sales and 16 because whatever you know people in washington think it was so really a great struggle for Russian International experts. To really examine the american. Situation in 2016 and the image of the emergence of these populist movements in europe nobody believed everybodys just relax business as usual will continue and we try to persuade people that business unusual in the world is over and trump is just a symptom is that while he is saying is that this quote unquote joyous celebration is not about your personal sympathy that you did not truth in the slightest bit for him or what he may represent in Global Politics yes i did that you actually like. What he represents for the present to change so i dont see that chomp as a victory of old good or old that that stuff the point thats not thats not about expertise but the change in the world hes a symptom and the things that we predicted it and we made a certain traditions that one predictions had won that was the main thing about that celebrity now as far as i understand this was you with your friends having time not of your friends from what i understand as. Russian Government Official in the yellow c. N. N. And many other western allies that played that video make it appear as if it was almost the official russian reaction from what youre remember back than how did the kremlin react to the election of don chimed and was it just as ecstatic as you appear to be well i never been to 2 kremlin actually so im sure you are watching not only the american political scene but also the russian what i can see about russian expertise which is really close to kremlin not like me but the really close to kremlin they war just so appalled you know they didnt didnt know what to see because they were writing analysis. Not only in newspapers and outlets but also are closed memos to kremlin they were all writing. That Hillary Clinton will win and so we should frame our politics these this way and that way and one all this all this charm thing came out of course of 1st they were just astonished surprised they didnt know what to do that was the 1st reaction of the program and the expertise i think its fair to say that at that time there werent many clinton fans in this city and madame clinton they usually like to say that you know putin hate her because she supported democracy and all the other. Things i wonder if you believe thats factually correct do you think the kremlins beef with madame clinton was ultimately about her meddling in russias Domestic Affairs or was it primarily because of her legacy on the International Arena well i dont think that was a special attitude any sort of like her come on thats a thats. A parent but for a politician especially for high ranked by the titian and russia to like somebody or to dislike somebody is not the way how the the the politics is shaped so they were quite ready to work with her. Of course she personally represents its the kind of business in washington that nobody like that thats of course but no this was known business but i mean was it about the business in washington was it about her support for actually putting protests in moscow back in 2000. Or maybe the 3rd thing was it her policy in libya which is sad i mean if you believe the rumor mill in moscow it was a major thing that influenced by the what his decision to come back into politics in 2000 thats a fair point the 3rd point is this is a very fair one because you know all these protests and 20112000 well that was already your crime and conceded itself we know. Complete we are so numb but i think that the middle east nothing in what was very important because not only libya but also syria. In my personal opinion well i mean for syria she wasnt there i mean she stepped on the secretary of state and what happened what happened in libya when one begin ghazi was unfolding actually the the cia facility in benghazi was actually was governing the socalled program ocracy opposition in syria and it was raised by. State department madame clinton so this is this she had her hand in that in that game also now these shows that we saw before a few any or france celebrating were part of a march longer c. N. N. Packaged about a week ago about how everything. Is benefiting russia and some people may may have forgotten that this idea of tying trom directly to the kremlin was actually it actually originated with the clinton camp we know from the weekend leaks emails that it was mike but asked there her the chairman of her campaign who came up with this idea why do you think 3 years later after the miller probe after everything that didnt stick to dylan why are they still running away with this narrative i think they just dont have anything else they have nothing else to put its a double that if they if they if they have something broadly they would have come with something Something Else but you know what can you say about its a person yes hes nonstandard. Economy is roaring. And look and hes and hes think humans normally in this situation. This president goes for the 2nd term such kind of president goes for the 2nd term how can you pull him down these impeachment talks is it is really very funny a says that says i think many president s and Many Political leaders did something like. D. To dual to selenski but a super to apply political pressure to get the result that you want i mean its a its i mean thats how Politics International politics is being done and i mean we dont need to go far you know there are lots of diplomatic cables that show that the american officials do that all the time in fact thats the main way the operate both the officials and the diplomats yes exactly and so also democratic politicians in congress they also try to pressure ukraine not to investigate very small for instance oldest things out as a well known it is old its obvious a scene from here thats its a very duty political fight with no rules so in 3 years all these things like due process democracy rule of law etc etc it is all destroyed they are just fighting with no rules now going back to that the search. Is the kremlins puppet if we take it at face value do you think willfully on nog has indeed been beneficial to moscow because i can understand how pleasing it may be to some people in this city to see these you know global american. Had tammany crumble but that it started on president obama where this one when it comes to Domestic Affairs i think russia is still paying a very having prize both in terms of sanctions and in terms of lost Economic Opportunities for having these whatever you know fictional association of it donald trump well i dont think so because 80 percent of sanctions were imposed on the under the under obama as and so the columns are section sanctions that russia has imposed on some Food Products from europe and United States its main in 3 years it made in the russian economy and russian for the action a little bit stronger so beneficial for russia is not what trump is doing but probably what trump is not doing for instance he in the contrary to his predecessors. He did not start any war because bush sr bush jr mr clinton mr obama the old start of the war in the 1st 3 years did not so probably it is it is a little bit safer and more predictable in this perspective on the other hand the world is changing it is a turbulent world and. Its not personally mr trump who is making the world dangerous place hes just the symptom of the change thats it now i mentioned the expression opportunity costs and in his latest interview with fox President Trump vantive hes frustration about how these and hell doing efforts on the part of the democrats is costing the country and he seemed to be very genuinely unearthed by that and yet i know that you claimed at all to mislead the whole impeachment proceeding is playing very handsome only into his own hands how well look. Until now all these hearings. Are looking like a great great offensive using very big resources spent on this offensive this offensive fails so of course its playing into the hands of the of the other side so. As far as polls are concerned a little there are a lot of disagreements about where the americans are looking after the impeachment but the in the metro effect is that nothing changed dramatically which means as if Nothing Happened in congress and therefore he just hes standing where he stood before the impeachment hearing started no nixon moment nothing no no no even clinton moments so easy is i think even much stronger now so theyre really playing in his hands. I dont know if you would agree with me but i think the democrats are becoming increasingly slopped fear in the way they go about it take for example the latest letter by House Speaker nancy pelosi in which she made all on the record remark that leaving the issue off in the white house to the elections would be a weak and dangerous choice and we are hearing all the its various soviet sounding to my ear yeah but i mean exactly thats what i was going to ask you i think which ever way you interpret that thats a hair raising statement from an election elected official in a constitutional democracy yes exactly and it for a person born in a soviet union that sounds exactly like party leader would speak to lets say in a big city with his comrades dont do that thats a weak position its not how the party should think. In that same letter madame madame pelosi also mentioned that. There was it was hard to reach and the duty of her colleagues to defend the constitution from all adam mayes both domestic and foreign and im sure you would agree with me that the democrats have already started casting the 2020 vote as either compromised or perhaps sam illegitimate do you think we have seen the worst of this squabble or do you think divorce does he have to come i think that now the fight will proceed thats thats for sure nobody is going to step back and thats the most dangerous think about abouts all this this is becoming very were done a very scary because its really a civil conflict its not just conflict around donald trump its a civil conflict in Nuclear Power and thats scary and it involves another in Nuclear Power as supposedly waging that. Conflict exactly exactly so were told that just that just think its is becoming from fantasy from funny to scary is going is going in this direction or as we like to say here and rush it would have been great fun if it wasnt so sad yeah exactly well we have to take a very short break now but we will be back in just a few moments stay tuned. You know world of big partisan movie lot and conspiracy its time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that Mainstream Media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door on the shouting past each other its time for Critical Thinking its time to fight for the middle for the truth the time is now for watching closely watching the hawks. Join me every thursday on the alex simon show and ill be speaking to guests of the world of politics sports business im showbusiness ill see you then. Welcome back to worlds apart with me cheat the russian journalist put a focus on american politics. And off about trump lets talk about the their candidates. Just as the impeachment proceedings were gathering steam the democratic field god even wider former new york city mayor and one of the worlds richest man Mike Bloomberg on to the race. I wonder if you take that as an indication at least in some corners that joe biden who was thought to be the sort of the democratic frontrunner in the bass hope of defeating trump that he star may be fading well he says his star started to fade in 2015 when he refused to run democrats though he has been adamantly reasons at that time he said to have family reasons i think that party just persuaded him not to run and even now there are rumors that obama is now persuading him not to run. Though i think that the Democratic Party the main thing for them is not just weeding back the white house i think. The experts understand that that is that is unreachable that is beyond reach so what are they doing its the main problem is inside the Democratic Party who is a power new socialists or the old liberal establishment thats thats the point thats the thats the thats the name of the fight you just mentioned president obama and he has been surprisingly absent from all of this i mean i would never see him on television to be never see him criticizing some of his. 5 day period you know that there were some indirect statements about impropriety of propriety of certain gestures but overall he is he seems to be out of politics do you think thats the case how much influence do you think he still has within the Democratic Party i think he has enough influence at least that thats thats the no one of the reasons why shes hes so quiet because. If he if he says something. In favor of the candidates that will be that will be a bombshell but the he speaks out some closed events lately some use came out of that he was asking the democratic donors to pay more attention to the centrists to be more to the center thats American People are not yet rebelution or a nation all the things came out but for the press t. V. Know hes hes silent because he has too much influence now speaking about the centrist this is definitely how Mike Bloomberg would like to position himself pretty much like trump he ran for office as a republican as an independent as a democrat he is a businessman hes pouring his own money into the complain although in much bigger numbers do you think trump has any reason to be concerned about bloomberg i dont think so i dont think so although Michael Bloomberg looks like you know the mirror brother all 4 of the trump to be had to be a donald trump on the democratic side but i think what Michael Bloomberg bloomberg is doing wisely is that hes saying lets bring america back to normality a little i think the world is already moved away far away from the from socalled normality of the old years but the main thing why bloomberg is inside the democratic primaries is to make i think thats thats my thats my thats my point that hes trying to make the Democratic National convention a contested one you know one of the things that struck me about the coverage of bloomberg and train to the race was the fact that the republicans even the trump ists seem to be far more respectful of him than some of the democrats i mean i was watching steve valens interview on on fox and he was very gracious about bloomberg he didnt think that bloomberg has the charisma to be trump but he said that hes sophisticated hes resourceful and off to change the conversation to change the the flow of the democrat. Complaint do you believe that to be the case and it will be well could be the case at least to we have no reason not to not to not to believe mr bennett because mr brown on this is a very noble 1st and about about what is going on in washington what what bennett said actually was that bloomberg invested into 25 come things in 2018 and he was 23 of them so he knows how the how the how these game is played he went to bed and said is that bloomberg knows how to apply money to politics but he also said money in and of itself is not enough you have to have that charisma and one of the criticisms of Mike Bloomberg is that he is clever he has a lot of resources but he lacks the. Communicative style that you need these days to reach out to the ordinary voter well i think the lets say the idea of his image makers of mr bloomberg is just to bring back the now not at the lets go to the very dull times will everything was just quiet nothing happens no trump nothing of this no populist no socialist just back to business that could that could play out in some and some hearts of democrats well i i may disagree with you partially of this because i think the funny thing about bloomberg is that on the one hand he tries to position himself as an alternative to the leftist wing of both warrant and Bernie Sanders but the other had when you look at his policy agenda it is if not cleft is then left to fish and i think that sounds a lot about what the Democratic Party has become this union off super reach with this socialist slash anarchists do you think thats a sustainable coupling is that a sustainable arrangement out and where do you see the damps moving ideologically as they deal with the challenge of donald trump well i dont think they will produce a serious challenge to donald trump and 2020 but as far as. What i want i mean is that donald trump is giving them a substantial challenge and they have to come up with some ideological agenda that will and thats and then also to the social order you cannot defeat with old old style you can try to defeat him with socialism but thats thats americans will to American Voters to decide whether they buy socialism or not but socialism was politically would say the very if to say new idea for americans and its very popular among younger people but in general the they should couple with with the reach of people thats thats should happen because this is the United States of america where politics is big money. What are you essentially sayin