Line they want to impeach pretty much anyone who disagrees with them and thats a dangerous precedent to set i think its very very dangerous for a country as well but you know i mean lets then stay with that because i think thats very very important i mean there was a time when it was before 2016 thats for sure where you could sit down and you could have a pleasant constructive even. A conversation where you would learn something new i dont i dont see any dialogue anymore they look at you they ask you a few questions and because they they dont agree with your values and values translates into youre a good person or a bad person thats not not a political conversation its only been recently now where that is the case where if you dont hold values you are beyond the pale but its ridiculous its nonsense and fox does it all the way to c. N. N. Ok i got you to be good to be fair here are our been in washington going it. I think what were seeing is people resorting to non political types of argument i dont want to call it our political methods of pressure and persuasion for political issues listen we are a political country have always been a political controversy supposed to be a place or ideas are debated but instead we have you know for example the left of the safe space culture which was refusing to tolerate any difference of views if people banning people from social events entirely nonpolitical events nonpolitical areas because of their political views that is not a pole way of having political discourse thats a way of just telling your opponents to shut up a messy way of side trying to silence and bully any kind of opposition and on the right youre seeing the same thing where were people who dont fall in line with with trump even when trump is not saying something conservative are just bullied and shamed and pressured to conform and this this idea that what you that your political views are somehow now part of your identity yet rather than your considered and analyzed opinion that is a huge problem when you start to turn that into your personal identity theres no room for discussion anymore now its a religion to you know janet that thing is i can i jump in go ahead please do i support of the program go ahead a new york you know i happen to agree when you come to the left you know but we see a ton of dissidents from from president i mean we see people all day on the right oh you know socalled republicans going after him attacking him you know siding with democrats against him and you know i speak with democrats republicans all the time and democrats are not even happy with with their own party at this point you know moderates and b. People in between are saying whats going on here this is not the party of j. F. K. This is not the party of even bill clinton or barack obama anymore its going really far left and the problem is is that people on the left dont call out their own you know aleck to officials when they start saying really radical things that people on the right do it i see it all the time and data. They dont hesitate to tell when it comes to president ial you know you know 10 you know it because they want to well taken ok but let me go to get here before we go to the break i know you have all taken its whats really important here it gets down to it seems to me is not politics it gets down to power you know when i hear about Court Packing getting rid of. The Electoral College things like that i mean they want to structurally change things they dont they dont like how the rules have been set out that weve all were all used to agree to and now they want to change the rules and it to them to me that means they dont have a political argument they just want power what do you think you had in new york. Well its not just about power peter its really about what barack obama said which is that they were out to fundamentally change america and i think they started to do that and theres a whole generation coming up 60 percent of millennial now dont believe that the 1st amendment should actually be a constitutional right and thats because they believe you shouldnt have the right to free speech because it might say and somebody that speaking this speech and how how did it get to this point i think it goes back to barack obama i think it was in 2012 they sent out talking points of how to talk to your family have a debate politics at the thanksgiving table well were at thanksgiving week here in america and i look back at that and i think that was the time that politics and filtrated into the personal realm and you cant even now sit down to a family dinner without having to worry about being confronted by these nasty politics and look it has gotten that it is a civil war and its to the point now where you cant just be right or wrong if you disagree with the person then you must be evil and i think we go to that level we are sinking to a devilish new low in this country you know rich. Its very well i mean did it happen under obama it seems to me this has been approved i mean i used to be in academia ok in the 1990 s. And i know whats whats happening in mainstream now was in academia in the 1990 s. It just went into the mainstream right now you have hollywood you have big. Capitalism theyre all channeling the same thing ok the same kind of ideology its really an ideology of antipolitics go ahead in new york. Well i agree with you we do we see a constant attack on on conservatives within within College Campuses and ive been saying for a long time and you know i dont blame one particular party i believe that a lot of the weight does fall solely on the left but i believe that both all elected politicians dish falls on their shoulders that we need to upgrade our Education System and we need to stop having an indoctrination system you know right now our Education System does not prepare people for the future of what it is its a lot of these radical professors who go into teaching and they want to indoctrinate they want to revise history and its spilling over so its not its no longer just on a College Campuses were seeing a spillover like you said at the dinner table its spilling over into the workplace people are scared to post something you know on a social media which did to a certain extent they should be able to but you know at this point you know theres no theres no more argument its all about the fact that if you support someone they go out for personal destruction its no longer about battling ideas its about labeling someone something so you can demean and you can make sure that their opinion is looked at like it means a lot less so thats their tactic they used to in academia for many years d and now they using it just its spilling over into society at a rate that weve never seen before. 30 seconds before we go to the break were going to reflect upon that you were nodding your head go ahead in washington that is absolutely true i mean what youre seeing him in academia both at the College Level youre seeing that if you if you believe that that biology determines gender you are disagreed with you are hated and shut down you are shrieked into silence at the High School Level ive had students whove who for political papers of said that they wanted to write about ending the department of education they were shut down by their teachers and that is a valid political position is a political held position held by most republicans all the returns and its held by me personally i think the and when you see people being silenced because they disagree with the status quo at that place youre no longer doing education you are just doing a dock. You know its gone so far away and i want to reason that we are all right so im going to jump in here were going to go to a short break and after that short break well continue our discussion on the political divide stay with r. C. The. Please. Play. Lists lists lists. Leaked. And a very warm welcome to you youre watching us in such. And there was only johnson. And i just got out of prison for. 41 years. Im 73 and so now i got arrested for tomorrow for some i. Feel like just everything was taken out of. My working moms think it was. Meant to snow man it looks a little bit like me. About. Homicide want to come. Now. Were tough in the. Bible so youre going. To go. To number 5 trying to frighten. Us no good something right to the. Banks geysers Financial Advice they say money to develop. A plan to take it easy this is a central plank support diet bellamys kind of problem right now its a stop to the. Welcome back to crossfire where all things are considered im Peter Lavelle to remind you were discussing the political divide. Ok. You said at the opening of the program that you believe that the country already is in a civil war and i actually happen to agree with you its really the intensity and where we go next i dont want to talk about where were going to go next because any country and weve had a civil war in our country is probably the most defining moment in our countrys history was very tragic very difficult and i think we learned a lot of lessons from it though a lot of people on the left dont believe that anymore unfortunately pain can bring people together and i think that was the case how do we avoid going to the next steps how do we do that or is it inevitable because the 1st part of our program was pretty depressing go ahead. Well theres good news and bad news here peter ill start with the bad news since im a political strategist. The bad news is i think were very close to this Tipping Point there was a study done recently in the last week or 2 that said that 52 percent of americans thats a majority of americans said that there would be quote unquote riots in the street if donald trump is removed from office not just impeached by the impeached and removed and i think that that underscores the point that you and i have said here that we are already in this civil war and theres been a lot of people blaming things like russian meddling you name it but i think this has been boiling for quite some time you know the old quote Eleanor Roosevelt quote i think applies here no one can make you feel inferior without your consent you cant get angry about something and politics if you werent already angry so a guy like donald trump doesnt just come along and get elected for a particular reason or because people supported have are were against him he got elected as a symptom of what was going on is america and that is i believe the elite bureaucratic class in washington d. See versus the rest of america and places like i grew up oklahoma and texas and so i think thats the bad news i think were very close to the Tipping Point i think the good news is though i did and informal poll on my social media yesterday in preparation for coming on today and said are we past the divide or can this nation be saved and i was surprised by the result 100 percent of people 100 percent said it can be saved but we have to go back to what we just discussed in the last segment which is we have to allow free speech and debate and discussion without name calling without calling the other person evil we have to go back to this what the country was founded on which was the 1st amendment and a Civil Exchange of debates and ideas you know a bit rich the problem with that is and its something ive experienced the social medias shadow banning taking my followers away by deleting my comment comment to me i mean its so patently obvious and then you ask why this is happening and its the orwellian silence here i mean if we if the if the its not a level Playing Field how can we get to the point where jens informal poll thank you for doing it were preparing for this program but if we dont have a a fair a level Playing Field how are we going to get to avoiding the next steps that could be tragic go ahead rich in new york. Well its a its a great question i know i was a victim of a shadow betting myself i know many people are and it still happens in this it just goes back to the testament that some people can accept the results of the 2016 election they can accept the fact that one side is actually you know doing what they said theyre going to do so they resort to tactics where its like if we cant beat you lets silence you and thats thats a serious problem now to take you back to your point about the civil war i happen to disagree with thinking that will ever end up in another civil war i happen to study the civil war very closely and there are a lot of similarities in the way that there is so so much part of partisan divide here d but back in the original civil war it happened in america it was kind of it was much different you had a south that had its own economy you had a north that kind of was operating in its own capacity so i dont think and i hope we never get to that level but i do think again that were in a cold civil war i think one of the tactics that theyre using is to silence people because if they if they believe they can silence of voices that can rally up you know support is that theyve already won half the battle so what they try to do is make sure that someone who is influential who speaks common sense its not even its not even about something right wing a left wing anymore then theyre eating their own that if someone in their party doesnt fall in line precisely to go as far left as they want theyre going to eat their own so they go for silence as their main weaponized tactic in irving and i may be going john if im not some kind of a Program Going arvinds question. Number one difference between the civil war and the lower case a civil war that were in is one difference today given the 2nd amendment and those rights bestowed upon the folks in other parts of the country. My money would be on the fly over states any day vs the bureaucratic lease in washington that war with the over and about 5 hours you get a bunch of guys and pickup trucks in texas going to washington d. C. Pitchforks and all that were would be over in about 5 hours the snowflake in washington d. C. Would completely cave in and that thats how that would end but i dont like that it was the 2nd time i dont know i would have thought it would be that way but i doubt it would because are going to keep going on what we just heard from jen now that that what the stakes couldnt be higher everybodys playing for keep ok this is whats going on right now because the of the people and specifically thinking of the democrats and their liberal friends in the media theyre playing this is a this is a blood sport for them ok because they look at us as being inferior how could an inferior group of people be right again going back to what you said in the 1st part of the program is that if you base it on values then you get into the point of being going down the path of good and evil we are by definition evil for these folks and they will fight go ahead in washington the motto of the weapons of modern warfare just arent guns anymore the what weapons of modern warfare are economics and the fact is right now the lefts bad economic ideas are backfiring their college is where you go to study social justice nonsense for 4 years is not giving them the benefits they thought in an economic way their schooling system you know Public Schools are being demolished by homeschool me home schools outperforming which tend to be a little bit more conservative outperforming Public Schools by a humongous margin so whats happening here is yes a total separation but were seeing an economic war were seeing a war of ideas. Yes its true that ive been facebook shadow ban twitter shadow bit ive been banned from social events because i oppose welfare and i oppose government schools thats thats fine but at the end of it the bad ideas no matter how much you try to silence the opposition the good ideas are always going to win just because they are better ideas homeschooling is a better idea college in the current environment just not that good an idea so so yes i do think were going to see an economic war and i honestly dont think the president going to win it because their economic ideas are just bad rich you know it it seems to me i mean i can im old enough to remember when nixon used the silent majority when he was campaigning for president but i truly believe that there is a silent majority because so many people are being silenced and what youre being silenced that shows a form of oh pression and it means the people that are oppressing youd do not want to open to be open to dialogue thats where a cold civil war can heat up thats where we are go ahead rich absolutely i agree with you 100 percent on that because the fact is that you know again i say it all time lets hope it never comes to having to exercise the 2nd amendment rights because the truth is that it would be good for for anyone in this country so we want to resolve these things peacefully we want to make sure that our country survives for the future generations which is the main goal of every generation is to preserve this culture and this generation for the next and were not doing that here so whats happening is that youre seeing a lot of this indoctrination thats coming to fruition now from years and years of people who have been told that the world is a certain way its not the way that that you know they wanted to believe so they go out there and theyre going to do everything they can to tear it down and i believe the argument about values comes back to the fact that if you look at whats happening in many parts of society its becoming more nihilistic you know people are looking at you know traditional religions as a bad thing and and look you dont have to be a huge fan of traditional religions but let p. You know respect where people believe and a lot of times they do bring about good good stuff good programs that are good for the people and when we get to a nihilistic approach where people just say theres no point in this whole world theres no point to existence bad things begin to happen and thats what im seeing thats what worries them worries me the most you know jen im im very worried about this as well because the antics and cruelty and violence of then teeth is never condemned on the left never once condemned on the left and the and they do not even support the rule of law assaulting people. Of violence and vandalism there is they just its acceptable in the era of trump thats what they say well i say that is unacceptable ok and that its a problem here you have people that are giving it a motivation youre giving it incentives in the media is is culpable in this go ahead jim. You know well youre absolutely right peter and one of my clients is a. Gentleman who was attacked in portland in portland by and and look at its been 4 and a half months and there