Memorandum is bars frank admission that many of the early engagement tactics that the new program would utilize were born of the posture we adopted with respect to terrorist threats. You mean those really fun the mazing tactics like the shredding of Due Process Rights torture in the hands interrogation indefinite detention mass surveillance. While as of right now we can only guess just what war on terror style early engagement tactics mr barr has in his mind for his new effort to stop mass shooters but given the u. S. Governments controversial history when it comes to stopping terrorism. I think its time we start watching the whole. You. Want to. Treat the day like real good this week. As we get to the bottom. Of. The day like you know what i got. Was that we. Wouldnt. Be. Here today. Well the world watching the hawks i am to roll over and happen and f. B. I. Director Christopher Ray actually told lawmakers in the 1st 3 quarters of the 21901st poll year that the bureau had logged more than 100 domestic terror related arrests and i bet many of those were kind of a white power couple of things going on there what im going to say was more domestic terrorism and ever there was and it was probably because an f. B. I. Guy came from an instructor. Working. Im just. Also the memorandum does differentiate so theres this between suspected terrorists. Terrorists terrorists from suspected mass shooters just to clarify one brown and one not oh. I didnt say. We raise our my money goes memorandum doesnt go far right but unlike many historic terrorism cases quote many of todays Public Safety threats appear abruptly and with sometimes only ambiguous indications of intent and that many of these individuals quote exhibit symptoms of Mental Illness and or have Substance Abuse problems i also think that probably qualifies for a lot of people on capitol hill a little bit lower not running around shouting out their rights. I mean doesnt that just kind of make you a little nervous when you hear things like this like oh were going to get them with precrime and then were going to terror the things that we learned in the war on terror to now take home to our shores and try to use them to capture people before they commit a crime somehow. While they get through the backlog of rape and actually put white collar criminals steal from every working class family in this country away and then you can come cry to me about how youre going to figure out how little timmy in the high school is going to be a mass shooter in 5 years. I dont buy it i dont buy that theyre at a level i dont believe they have the competence level to understand what theyre doing and i think their whole terrorism versus mass shooter lone gunman but they do have. You have a dark and hard combine to make something worse if youre not that far off as weve talked about on this show i think back in august or the help advanced Research Projects agency if green lit was pitched to the white house it kind of falls into what bars talking about what hes been alluding to kind of reintroducing mass surveillance and the judge agreed. Because it went away with. Exactly. But would be tough to come up with out of the box ways to handle problems much like darpa the defense advanced Research Projects agency does for the military one of those proposed is something called. Stopping. By help in helping overcome mental extremes of these. Exploring whether Technology Including phones and smart watches can be used to detect when mentally ill people are about to turn violent you know. This is all. Right. I mean well we all really love to know when were going to have a bad moment or when. Were talking about teenagers or you know people outside of a certain social norm or a certain social subset in which theyre getting a regular Mental Health screenings or theyre getting regular Mental Health care heres an idea how about you just provide more health care and Mental Health care to the communities in which we keep seeing a rise in domestic terrorism and then when we see these things happening why not i dont know provide the services that we pay our taxes for because thats the hard long road easier just to throw Law Enforcement in every problem its easier just to throw you know Law Enforcement goons and say go grab people we might think maybe blows it opens the door i mean look and thats the thing that bothers me about this look at how we abuse the patriot act in the past and how we abuse surveillance and we took the war on terror and turned it in police state mentality in terms of terms of fighting it. I just cant trust that theyre going to do the same theyre not going to do the same playbook when it comes to stopping mass shooters are so negative. And i should just trust the good right but negative. Shares in microsoft had a record high on monday when they landed the 10000000000. 00 contract to provide Cloud Computing for the pentagons joint enterprise defense infrastructure or. The system is meant to store and process the large amount of data mostly classified needed to bulk up the United States future in Artificial Intelligence however many are none too happy with the deal including amazon who lost out on the contract and then founder jeff bezos. Posed has gone toe to toe with trump since he took office and many contend. That it was bays oza furball jousting with the president that lost amazon the chance to build the death machines that the future joining us now for more on the microsoft war machine gun tracked is our correspondent america correspondent karen fronsac welcome you know i have to say if you go home tonight if you even have an alexa ask her hey alexa did you get that 10000000000 dollar bed now shes going to have to say no right but you know so theyre feeling a little bit surprised because it is one of these things that theres 30 king over the world basically i mean theyre taking over everything with amazon and this is a huge blow to their ego because they didnt get it and microsoft around you know theyre still there actually are july report found that amazon they have 50 percent of the market cloud sharing 50 percent of the Cloud Computing market microsoft has a whopping 16 percent so by microsoft getting this its going to make up for that last time it but you know there was other companies in there as well we had microsoft amazon oracle and i. B. M. All pitted against each other microsoft is the winner so i dont know what what is exactly of the contract and what is the program please im assuming its what korea advertising for the upcoming star wars movie like a p. R. Campaign right which we all know that those are i think i think are going to be living invested as well. But the joint enterprise defense infrastructure is what i stands for and what it is is it stores and processes vast amounts of classified data and now i want to bring up this quote because dan gray of real clear defense hed put it bluntly and like in just plain jane words it says the jet i could jet i will be able to support the Rapid Development and deployment of virtually any Application Store movement protect the most Sensitive National intelligence information and support real time Decision Making so pentagon leaders envision i as and as including mobile even miniaturized backpack portable servers that will provide. Units with highly classified Mission Critical and actionable intelligence ultimately its hoped the job is going to change the department of defense itself transforming how it captures processes understands and exploits data so basically this is like god 2. 0 i guess i dont know and its also interesting to note too that our government has 500 cloud. Cloud computing capabilities other countries out there 810 we have 500 so just when you thought you needed more. I mean to us are you worried about our veges using a very huge threat to have that many the idea of like a backpack and a server i mean i know it all sounds super great in theory i just dont know that it quite works and also anybody whos ever used windows knows. So you hadnt mentioned. Like i. B. M. And oracle going i have days that anything about not winning on this contract will so the problem was is that they actually said that this whole deal was gift wrapped for amazon so thats why you had oracle and i. B. M. Coming out and actually oracle took this to the Court Systems because again giftwrapped for amazon the National Defense authorization act is what they cited which is basically saying theres a conflict of interest here it was deep who worked for amazon he both worked for amazon both before and after his time at the department of defense this federal judge then was like oh ok so well put a hold on this fast forward to august of this year weeks before the winner was expected to be announced trump of the contract to be placed on hold again for the defense secretary mark esper to investigate complaints of favoritism towards amazon also saying everything against jeff bezos under the sun either on twitter or in person and then he came out early obviously monday saying that trump had asked for he wanted this decision to be made. Asap so thats where microsoft that comes into play again its really not an evil amazon. But then ive got the other one thats still going through but its theres another theres the other big dog that we havent talked about the room with this is google and you know i want to get this in real quick is that you know lets not forget amazon also owns the Cloud Computing techniques for the Intelligence Community so thats going to be really interesting but were going to google for them all this because theyve got their Super Computers and all that going on right so actually last year google. Google employees came out and said that they dont want anything to do with government contracts google listen to their employees and was like ok thats fine well take a step back microsoft employees at the same time said the same exact thing but microsoft was like well we can have a long standing history with the military so were going to keep doing it so thats where that falls into play work google had no hand in this whatsoever not even to make you know thank you so much fair and. Watching. Thanks for bringing us. All right here buddy as we go to break dont forget to let us know what you think of the topics we cover at our social media and be sure to check out watching the hawks the podcast is now available on spotify applebees and everywhere else in the podcast coming up we dig into the controversy surrounding the Law Enforcements use of d. N. A. Testing websites like family tree d. N. A. Legal media analyst lionel line of the year but before we go check out this new style of art or taking pharmaceutical school to school by storm painting with bacteria yes these students from the pharmaceutical university in china are creating works of art using different color forms of bacteria. Just yummy. Its seemed wrong but old rules just dont. Let me. Get to shape out just a you can stick as a kid and in gains from it because betrayal. When so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for Common Ground the. Time after time corporations repeat the same mantra sustainability very important to accelerate the transition to sustainable transport sustainability. A more equitable and sustainable well. They claim their production is complete. Thats. Companies want us to feel good about products while the damage is being done far away this is. Going to. Do. With someone. From murderers to rapists to serial killers like the infamous Golden State Killer for years many of societys most heinous monsters have remained free and up large but then thanks to a new tool in Law Enforcements repertoire investigative genealogy and free public d. N. A. Databases like match and family tree d. N. A. Cold cases were suddenly becoming hot again find a sample of the perpetrators d. N. A. A crime scene or an old case file send it to a boat you might get a match to their cousin father grandma or even unknown to the suspect themselves but theres a catch as buzz feeds reports nearly 70 people suspected of murder or rape about identified across the country using a revolutionary investigative technique but want foresman to use of public d. N. A. Databases also quickly raise privacy concerns as Michael Melendez and connor boy observe undoes are at numerous our d. N. A. Inherently reveals not only our personal medical information and ethnic heritage but connections to a family tree of relatives its not just the. Identity match of a single individual its a coerced genia logical disrobing of a persons entire family to i guess now to dive into the strands and layers of this ongoing debate surrounding Law Enforcements use of investigative genealogy is legal and media and less why know of light all media a veritable double helix for me yes so i want in your opinion should police will get this one out the way it should be able to use public d. N. A. Testing sites like. Your family tree d. N. A. To help them solve current historical crimes let me tell you how to answer any legal question did anybody ask you im telling you it works every time it depends for the most part yes 1st question does the person who provides a sample. One who is did the golden state kill or provide a sample no but lets talk about the person who does do they have a reasonable expectation of privacy yes in fact they volunteer to this it please i have my mitochondria as soon as im going to so so they had no problem so right off the bat lionels law also is that law always lags behind technology this doesnt work so they do we reverse family trees so what theyre doing is theyre looking for these you know empire state or Golden State Killer and they never intruded upon his privacy rights or anything they found somebody who might have matched so the answer is do your theres nothing wrong with that there would be no 4th amendment problem no. Violation of anything the police never did anything it was voluntary just like if you had pictures if you love to go outside take pictures of crowds and i walk outside and you say you know theres a bank robbery right around here and you say it was funny ive got heres my pictures today oh look there so i theres probably so to answer that no problem. Interest but thats just part of the issue. One of this is the other thing that you know were looking at it in these obviously the ones were talking about that theyre using are these somewhat free open databases meant for people who like we had talked about are looking for a parent that may whether you were adopted or whatever you end up trying to find somebody and thats the sort of open databases are for and theres one that you pay for and you you know have some semblance of privacy although theyre probably selling it off to make clones somewhere so if you see more me running around. But this the interesting thing is just the massive a number of cases that they found through this and like you said its true you know no one wants to be the 3rd cousin to the gold thing killer but if you get someone up the street theres almost an understanding the New York Times reported that this technique could be used to revive cold cases including at least 100000 unsolved major Violent Crimes of 400081 the body what about those who argue that who cares about the privacy who cares if the information will carry out whatever you decide its more important we put them all away add to this the number of rape cases where jurisdictions in states have stopped funding altogether where there are evidence rooms just teeming with evidence because they can get to them so its murder its that its you know the issue is this. Let me twist a little bit lets say the f. B. I. Says look. Weve got this guy and theres nobody else i want to go directly to this company and say look can we just run this im not looking for any kind of relative i want to go do you have this person there now thats the issue is just like with your information as far as your phone what are your expectation of privacy kin can the government go to apple can you go to microsoft go to google whatever and say we won this did you give up this right or by virtue of you submitting this information to a clown and signing god knows how many terms it isnt and when you downloaded the new form of this did you waive your right we dont know thats the issue that i want is what somebody when the government says listen g. D. Match whatever it is we want to go directly to your database for get the men and women to go and we just better yet can we just kind of interface with you can we just if you dont mind it might get a nice government matching fund if we can just connect so any time you get a new one thing being these little red lights go up and we say cut cold case cold case. It does raise another interesting thing because its like i think its that idea of what were right now ridge where youre about the government you can do you may from the people from the migrants who are coming over the border right here and a lot of people are saying hey the government shouldnt be having databases of our d. N. A. Although we do in fact many cases like new york have been doing this already but we also tell you to begin this is to all the all the youngsters out there and all the people who say hey haifa im part scandinavian. Barky what youre doing is when you do that spit kit thing and you send it up one of these days were going to find out from your genome whos gay who has a propensity for alzheimers who has perhaps is going to be diabetic no insurance you know who has a Mental Health problem who who is transgender who is bipolar were going to find everything and guess wh