Dehumanize workers and normalized taishan reminiscent of the Industrial Revolution thats dehumanize workers in normal is exploiting reminiscent of the Industrial Revolution it was a family struggling to get by in the wake of the 2008 financial crash it was a family struggling to get by in the wake of the 2008 financial crash the father ricky deciding his only option is to join the 0 as online delivery and as the father ricky deciding his only option is to join the 0 as online delivery industry ken loach and paul laverty join me now paul thanks for both being on going under strict ken loach and paul laverty join me now paul thanks for both being on going underground once again people watching this right now know all about the fact the ground once again people watching this right now know all about the fact that theyre buying things online getting Home Delivery of goods this that theyre buying things online getting Home Delivery of goods this the. Orm the word choice comes up again and again in the verse for film the word choice comes up again and again in the 1st 510 minutes why the simple word choice. Well 10 minutes why the simple word choice. Well this is the propaganda that persuades people 2 weeks this is the propaganda that persuades people to exploit themselves loyal to the rug of the beer all of the. Normal work and conditional mode within the british works and workers would rather work his rights as a as an amazon employee. And then the Man Management business in this has chosen to find ways of needs to find ways of from their point of view fight has chosen to find ways of or needs to find ways of from their point of view find to be exploiting workers so that they they cut the cost of labor they cut the cost of exploiting workers so that they they cut the cost of labor they cut the cost of labor by having people know its seen as employees but it is socalled celeb it by having people know is seen as employees but is so called self employed delivering services if theyre self employed delivering services sofa employed delivering services if theyre self employed delivering services they have no trade union rights they have their holiday pay they sick pay they they have no trade union rights they have no holiday pay they sick pay they tell you will take all the risks in this case of drivers. Detail take all the risks in this case of drivers. Hiring their own van of buying their own van incurring costs and yet the wage of hiring their own van of buying their own van incurring costs. And yet the wages they get depend on totally on the hours they put in and then my need to work 12 hours they get depend on totally on the hours they put in and then my need to work 12 hour day to get a basic living wage so the increase in exploitation of the day to get a basic living wage so the increase in exploitation is massive its a perfect system for the employer this is massive its a perfect system for the employer because they can turn the labor on and off like a tap but its presented as a choice because they can turn the labor on and off like a tap but its presented as a choice for the poor man or woman who has to spend their lives for the poor man or woman who has to spend their lives working for this company. Working for this company. To. Be gone. Just. Gone oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah it is but its all franchise when old visitations are written about how. Yeah it is but its all franchise when oldest asians are written about how these films made if i can before i mean as the writer conscious that you have these films made by Campbell Paul i mean as the writer conscious that you had that word choice in those initial stages to form an equivalent for that word choice in those initial stages. Formant the equivalent foreman of a ricky the star of the film he says its your choice a limb for ricky the star of the film and he says its your choice freedom is its a great conjuring trick it is as ken says you know a freedom is its a great conjuring trick it is as ken says you know him and the enemy talk to drivers and youre with them and then went on to the deposition and the emmy talks are drivers and youre with them and then went on to the day it was very hard to fake it with the so busines with time but well known to the day it was the sweetest some to let me try to hard to fake it with the so busines with time but well known to the day it was the sweetest some to let me trouble with them on the love of the parcels and the devil is always in the detail and naming trouble with them on the love of the parsons and the devil is always in the detail and they mean you see their d n you live it moment by moment over an entire if you see their d. And you live it moment by moment over an entire shift and you see them after 11 hours driving and the tighter the scanner they call it and you see them after 11 hours driving and the tighter the scanner they call it you know the handheld device and every single moment every Single Movement you know the handheld device and every single moment every Single Movement it tracks where they do they can telephone they can scan they can do absolutely everything went it tracks what they do they can telephone they can scan they can do absolutely everything with it and then at the end of this is its your choice i mean its all willian it really that and then at the end of this is its your choice i mean its all willian it really is a will in its like amazon with the Fulfillment Centers but when you see someone what kelly is or will in its like amazon with the Fulfillment Centers but when you see someone what can lay it out every single moment of the day as mourner talked you know its absolute total. Every single moment of the day as mourner talked you know its. Absolute total. Tax on. Banks on. Contact the customer. Was loads of money on time the customer. Was lonesome would you believe so i believe shes not a culprit so the mans. Name is on the so i believe shes from out of captaincy means. He is also the best man as they are of course the men always knows when i am chuck every possible way are of course theyre always knows my own truck every possible moment its a front door on the back door they report in the garden shed moma the front door on the front door they report in the garden shed they know what a lot is you mentioned one i take up the one of the richest in the world they own the i know what a lot is you mentioned one i take up the one of the richest in the world they own the Washington Post of drool obviously this film has nothing to do well get a good review there im sure here Washington Post of drew obviously this film has nothing to do well get a good review there im sure here you are this is about a Fictional Company yet all very forgettable you are this is about a Fictional Company yet all very forgettable. Yes and then this is the fictional bit. But yes and then this is the fictional bit. But the facts are there in the speak for themselves. The facts are there speak for themselves. But its true i mean the taking of i mean theres an involved in Film Production but its true i mean the taking of i mean theres an involved in Film Production. They maybe maybe make your next film then things as. They maybe maybe make your next film. I dont think theres so much i dont think other companies or available under you both of you you know i dont think other companies or available under you both of you you know the sort of the tory media is trumpeting the ideas of more and more employers the sort of the tory media is trumpeting the ideas of more and more employment in this country groups like the charge of the institute of personal development claim in fact the gig economy mint in this country groups like the charge of the institute of personal development claim in fact the gig economy and zeros contract the public is misplaced is what these different forces and they have think 100 drugs the public is misplaced is what these different forces and they have think tanks that are really produced on news programs and so you hear that they think times are wonderful only and thanks to the really produced good news programs and so you know you do the think tanks are wonderful only and you know what might suggest that some of the think tanks do is they throw away their calculator throw away you know what might suggest that some of the think tanks do is they throw away their calculator throw away the forms to throw away their algorithms and what they do is sit and talk to the daily way for their forms they throw away their algorithms and what they do is sit and talk to the daily life of a care worker is be did for us ok and then youll see what time the quote you have a care worker has be did for us ok and then youll see what time the goat youll see them getting on a bus not to getting paid youll see them spending time in see them getting on a bus not to getting paid youll see them spending time in sometimes with patients with absolutely very very complicated needs medicines sometimes with patients with absolutely very very complicated needs medicines doubling continence sometimes dementia and then you get maybe 15 minutes or half an hour to double incontinence sometimes dementia and then you get maybe 15 minutes or a half an hour depending on your luck depending on the budget of the local authority you spend time with them and saying get busy painting on your luck depending on the budget of the local authority you spend time with. Them and saying get busy for a couple of hours in the morning youre busy for a couple hours at lunch time and in the evening for talking and then to for a couple of hours in the morning youre busy for a couple hours at lunchtime and in the evening for talking and then the middle of the day you have left dangling theres not enough time left to go back and they see the middle of the day you have left dangling theres not enough time left to go back and they see is sufficient you know shut up spend time with them speak to the people sufficient you know shut up go to spend time with them speak to the people and then you can talk with some authority but they are just propagandists and they have not spoken to and then you can talk with some authority but they are just propagandists and they have not spoken to people on the front line and they dont give a damn good. People on the front line and they dont give a damn. Im. Doing no im. Doing no. Look ive got 6 other people look on the same am i going to get them all that practiced look ive got 6 other people look on the same am i going to get them all that i practiced. Having the time for the years you. Have the time for the. Scale of your previous films like ladybird ladybird. In a sense scale your previous films like ladybird ladybird talked about this privatization of compassion what was different about this talk about this privatization of compassion what was different about this film. I think its more intense and its bound to get more film. I think its more intense and its bound to get more intent the exploitation because the whole it best into the free market is competition intent exploitation because the whole it best into. The free market is competition and its competition increasingly between big corporations they compete on quality and this competition increasingly between big corporations they compete on quality on price increasingly on price how do they do that they have to lower their labor cost price increasingly on price how do they do that they have to lower their labor costs they lower their labor costs by finding work labor that fit to reason have no responsibility to lower their labor costs by finding work labor that fit teresa have no responsibility no holiday pay no sick pay no long term commitment to the t. No holiday pay no sick pay no long term commitments haarlem far overnight so that way labor is cheaper says this constant haarlem far overnight so that way labor is cheaper says this constant downward pressure on labor costs and that means it must downward pressure on labor costs and that means it has to mean more exploitation and in the last 10 years 2 thirds of new job to mean more exploitation and in the last 10 years 2 thirds of new jobs are now precarious work so that means is not full employment are now precarious work so that means is not full employment certainly not full employment it is precarious workers hanging on. Certainly not from employment it is precarious work is hanging on by the skin of 80 and they know the problems of debt and deficit leads to homelessness by the skin of 80 and they know the problems of debt and deficit leads to homelessness homelessness is massively on the increase poverty simps homelessness is massively arming crease poverty simply from precarious workers be. We went to the food bottom precarious workers be. We went to the food banks and we found move more of the people needing food to putting some we found move more of the people needing food to put on the table were from families where one person was working so this it on the table were from families where one person was working so this is the working poor and when they course took of employment being stable is the working poor and when they course talk of employment being stable its the working poor theyre talking about and theyre very happy for them to be poor because it means the working poor theyre talking about and theyre very happy for them to be poor because it means theyll take any desperate out of desperation take any of this conceal take any desperate out of desperation take any of this and we do want to make out that this is an intensely human story over and we do want to make out that this is an intensely human story of a family trying to get to caribbean isnt it but you know you kind of the only time im really trying to get to caribbean is a book you know you kind of the only time where you perhaps see the words of new liberalism that people might recognize you perhaps either the words of new liberalism that people might recognize from the news is you suddenly say the miners strike that that occurs from. The news is you suddenly see the miners strike that that occurs in one seamless dragon more than rock is a quick succession of 20 way crash in one seamless dragon more than rock is a quick succession of 28 crash. Those 2. Of these so in but im going to make a very good point those 2. Of these so in but im going to make a very good point because you know what were not we dont say to our manifesto you know were trying because you know were were not we dont say to a manifesto you know were trying to do a portrait of a family so that must work forced to do a portrait of a family so that must work forced but truthful stories resonate it was a critical moment not because you know but truthful stories resonate it was a critical moment because you know and abbie and ricky in this film they were process in the mortgage the boat to get a mortgage abbie and ricky in this film they were process in the mortgage the boat to get a mortgage and if they had go on the property ladder then a radically changed leaves and for many millions and if they had go on the property ladder then a radically change that leaves and for many millions of people know who can get a mortgage theres not enough properties so rent as people know who can get a mortgage theres not enough properties so rent is very very high and its insecure so the tension that creates for families is remarkable very very high and its insecure so the tension that creates for families is remarkable and so people on modest incomes more or more of their income is being taken up and so people on modest incomes more or more of their income is being taken up above by rent and you see this again and again and its very interesting just come back up by rent and you see this again and again and its very interesting just come back from him you know from france and in showing the film and video places and its not this is not from him. You know from france and in showing the film and video places and its not this is not just a surreal north east of england you see the same reality again through just a surreal north east of england you see the same reality again throughout europe this transcends breaks it you know we were there miss or chamber workers it europe this transcends breaks it you know we were there miss or chamber workers cleaners could hear drivers all what can make model all precarious work all cleaners could hear drivers all what can make model all precarious work all up to they are all fuel yes i do many of them on strike and are seen no more slop to the all fuel yes i do many of them on strike and are seen no more so that as a fight back on to the surface to have to see these connections Different Countries in frauds obviously is a good as a fight back under the surface of the have to see these connections Different Countries in frauds obvious is a palme dor nominated film actress and director. Below me needs of vilma actress and director. But does this strike to business starkey because you lose your. Universe but this strikes a business stark a cosy elysia will. Universe will years from the strike here as well the strike of koreas in the years for gives her the choice here is well the strike of koreas in east london so people are fighting back but i think its important to echo will pull these london. People are fighting back but i think its important to echo what pool said i mean if people come to see the film theyre not going to hear polemic it i mean if people come to see the film theyre not going to hear polemic its its a family story with all the nuances in the contradictions and the affection that a familys story with all the nuances in the contradictions and the affection and the rounders and the the tension between albion and the. The the tension between being and and ricky has good parents possibly good parents and ricky has good parents possibly good parents but exhausted not kids without the patience to deal with their own family im a bit to drink has been exhausted now kids without the patience to deal with their own family im a bit too great because in it you know in the young life. Recently said you know hes hes 15 and you know in the young life the. Recently said you know hes hes 15 and a lovely present and the little girl is wonderful kitty protest you know she was the ship and the lovely presents and the little going to his wonderful kitty protege you know she was the she was the closest couldnt a class and the really smart grins thinkin that she yeah they she was a clueless couldnt class and the really smart grins thinkin that yeah they should i was also what she wanted to be when she left school she said she thought she would like be a doctor there is also what she wanted to be when she left school she