Has taken place somewhere else but i judge the conversations which has taken place somewhere else but take and say that. It was in 2000 to can say that. It was in 2000 to run 911 but that 3000 American People who were killed in 19113000 American People were killed in a tragedy by al qaeda. And proved in a tragedy by al qaeda. Unfortunately from afghanistan supported at that time by the taliban in italy from afghanistan supported at that time by the taliban in thats why the International Troops out here in we are fighting a common enemy in thats why the International Troops are here in we are fighting a common enemy. To get it in to had it not been for the threat to get it in had it not been for the threat to u. S. Homeland security the troops wouldnt have been here of course our u. S. Homeland security the troops wouldnt have been here of course i was speaking in the context of the withdrawal of u. S. Troops from syria people watching will be speaking in the context of the withdrawal of u. S. Troops from syria people watching will be saying alqaeda those people were saudi nationals obviously saying alqaeda those people were saudi nationals obviously previously supported by the United States but tell me about what happened when you met with our speaker previously supported by the United States but tell me about what happened when you met with our Speaker Nancy Pelosi because bush is reported in the amazon washington nancy pelosi because bush is reported in the amazon Washington Post as saying to you if trump would lead on afghanistan she would what was the post as saying to you if trump would lead on afghanistan she would what was the meeting like the meeting with the House Speaker lucy in all sorts meeting like the meeting with the House Speaker lucy in also other chairpersons of the committees of the or other chairpersons of the committees of the congress of the u. S. Congress it was on their. The congress of the u. S. Congress it was on their. Partnership to spread it in lots of concerns with partnership disparate in lots of concerns were raised in Common Concerns on both sides but these in Common Concerns on both sides. On the possibility of peace in their country on the inputs on the possibility of peace in their country on the impact of troop reduction in their country in. On the outcome act of troop reduction in their country in. On the outcome of the elections in different possibilities in different scenarios of the elections in different possibilities in different scenarios whether there will be a threat to u. S. Homeland security from afghan whether there will be to use Homeland Security from afghanistan as a result of. Us withdrawal and they should say stand as a result of. Us withdrawal and they should say that it was a completely bipartisan delegations nevertheless that it was a completely bipartisan delegations nevertheless all of them were of the view that the u. S. Should the state come all of them were of the view that the u. S. Should to stay committed in support of the Peace Process in their country in also we should work vetted in support of the Peace Process in their country in also we should Work Together in order to facilitate. In order to facilitate. In created an environment so there will be no need for the presence of the u. A. E. To an environment so there will be no need for the presence of the used troops in the country in the future so one of the main questions stupes in the country in the future so one of the main questions there was that what will happen to the achievements of the Afghan People there was that what will happen to the achievements of the Afghan People. In the sector prices reach the Afghan People have made far of achieving in the sector prices reach the Afghan People have made for achieving the right which of course all of us will of the right which of course all of us will of the view that those. Hard earned achievements the view that those. Hard earned achievements including the democratic process in has to be preserved including the democratic process in has to be preserved and that any circumstances but we need to as afghans facilitate in and that only circumstances but we need to as afghans facilitate in create a situation an environment that we could live together a situation an environment that we could live together at peace with the taliban while maintaining our differences at peace with the taliban while maintaining our differences we have made if its in the past and will continue to do so in the future ok but you just we have made if its in the past and will continue to do so in the future ok but you just said i mean 18 years there when american troops in your country and you were to said i mean 18 years there when american troops in your country and you were talking with nancy pelosi in the past few days literally about threats to u. S. Homeland security wouldnt you palosi in the past few days literally about threats to u. S. Homeland security no one in your country is right now planning to fly airliners into american skyscraper or to no one in your country is right now planning to fly airliners into american skyscrapers 18 years on surely you are talking about security of u. S. Troops in afghanistan or not it was 18 years on surely you were talking about security of u. S. Troops in afghanistan not. Security of the United States no but youre talking about the security of the United States no but were talking about it was it was because of al qaeda presence in years back it was it was because of al qaeda presence in years back to what happened in 111 and if that to what happened in in 11 and if the issue of terrorist networks are not dealt with the issue of terrorist networks are not dealt with in the negotiations which are taking place between the taliban in the United States in the negotiations which are taking place between the taliban in the United States well look its back to 20 years back nobody would have imagined that well look its back to 20 years back nobody would have imagined that al qaeda will have the capability to launch attacks like 911. 00 when it when it al qaeda will have the capability to launch attacks like 911. 00 when it when it happened afterwards so no way will we have proof now we are truthful to see that happened afterwards so no way we have proof now we are truthful to see that a petition we have proof of cables of people saying that they were going to be mounted made a petition and we have proof of cables of people saying that they were going to be mounted mounting attacks in afghanistan in the United States we know the United States supported the taliban in ending attacks in afghanistan in the United States we know the United States supported the taliban and al qaeda in your country but anyway you said youre meeting with he was fruitful we said al qaeda in your country but anyway you said your meeting with policy was fruitful we said even though the democrats under obama of course drone bombed your country you will even though the democrats under obama of course drone bombed your country you were. Boxer need to install didnt work which was illiterate and mass killing arguably boxer need to and stoltenberg which were sillett ated mass killing arguably in afghanistan under nato why are you welcoming all this out in afghanistan under nato why are you welcoming all this outside what some afghans may call it interference in your country we have never had what some afghans may call it interference in your country we have never. Will come and outsides. Just. Will come and outsides. Just point blank called. Off half. A point blank called. Off path. Is that the deal was the fighting began in afghanistan the point is that the deal was fighting began in afghanistan al qaeda has established had established its bases. Alqaeda has established had established its bases in afghanistan it wasnt just a threat to the to the in afghanistan it wasnt just a threat to the to the to the United States but it was 1st and paul most it was a threat to the people of afghanistan the United States but it was 1st and paul most it was a threat to the people of afghanistan in. 20 years back Russian Federation who in. 20 years back Russian Federation was supporting that existence against alqaeda in their country so what if you are there supporting that existence against al qaeda in their country so at a few other countries but do not it is this was not helping at that time in until countries but do not do this this was not helping at that time in until. The tragic events of 911. 00 took place its not that the tragic events of 911. 00 took place its not that the afghans want foreign troops in their country unfortunately we have. The afghans want foreign troops in their country the unfortunately we have. The situation in conditions has created. Which will created a situation in conditions has created. Which will created lead to this situation at this moment as well we want afghanistan to live at billet to this situation at this moment as well we want afghanistan to live at peace within and without without the presence of the International Troops but with then without without the presence of the International Troops to die issues in that country in the unfortunately days is that as in. Die issues in the country in the unfortunately days is that as in International Threat al qaeda is an International Trip its not just International Threat al qaeda is an international its not just against afghanistan and also the violence continues through in tide against afghanistan and also the violence continues through in taliban believe that they can they can pursue the other objectives through violence about believe that they can they can pursue the other objectives through violence this is not a desirable situation for the people of afghanistan none of our citizens this is not a desirable situation for the people of afghanistan none of our citizens would like to see this continued about unfortunately we need to prisons would like to see this continued about unfortunately we need to we need to deal with it in also at the same time make if its in order to achieve we need to deal with it in also at the same time make it hurts in order to achieve peace. Yes when you mentioned day ash of course there we navigated this country that britain the united species when you mention de ash of course there we navigated this country that britain the United States was a boring day in groups in in syria but back to what you said about russia states was a boring day in groups in in syria but back to what you said about russia you achieve advisor to Ahmed Shah Masood his brother was on this show given that the next you achieve advisor to Ahmed Shah Masood his brother was on this show given that the next round of negotiations in beijing do you think certainly if you were president you would run to negotiations in beijing do you think certainly if you were president you would be looking more eastwoods to russia to china than to the west who i see looking more eastwoods to russia or to china than to the west who i say as i say have supported Islamist Groups in your country that morphed into say as i say have supported Islamist Groups in your country that morphed into those that committed 911 i think county country who would those that committed 911. 00 i think county country who would genuinely want to support peace and facile at 8 negotiate genuinely want to support peace and fastened at 8 negotiations between the afghans father achieving a peaceful settlement asians between the afghans father achieving a peaceful settlement those efforts have been welcomed by the afghans in those efforts have been welcomed by the afghans and. Afghans are eagerly waiting for the outcome of the elections. Afghans are eagerly waiting for the outcome of the elections at the same time if there is an opportunity for their look. In the same time if there is an opportunity for their local. At their local pulley will lead to that action of bile and sort of cease fire at their local pully will lead to that action of bile and sort of ceasefire or the start of negotiations. I dont think that that or the start of negotiations. I dont think that that monopoly of one country. It isnt a monopoly of one country. It isnt like looking east or west its the realities are such elect looking east or west its the realities are such that if we can t. Has as an interest. To every country has as an interest in peaceful outcome or. Been peaceful outcome or a peaceful situation in afghanistan the continuation of the war the presence of police will situation in afghanistan the continuation of the war the presence of taliban and the presence of while its an afghanistan and also al qaeda in that about the presence of while its an afghanistan and also al qaeda in that it is not in the interest of and he can take it neighboring countries of afghanistan although it is not in the interest of and he can take it neighboring countries of afghanistan or or but i shall china will be United States who i think everyone everyone will or that i shall china will be United States who i think everyone and on with it can everyone will it its important its everybody agreed it cant everyone will it its important its. Everybody agree with you i think on that Human Rights Watch parody are coming up with a report with you i think on that Human Rights Watch parody a coming up with a report a disturbing report that there are cia units targeting af a disturbing report that there are cia units targeting afghans just for being in the vicinity of taliban activity doesnt cia reckons just for being in the vicinity of taliban activity doesnt cia raids maybe in 9 provinces appalling civilian casualties anything you need to maybe in 9 provinces appalling civilian casualties anything you could do is president just stop the cia 02 squads or groups kill could do is president just stop the cia 02 squads or groups killing civilians in your country i need civilian casualty coming from an east i didnt clued in dealing civilians in your country i need civilian casualty coming from an east i didnt clued in the units that you are self to its something which has to be taken seriously in units that you are self opposed to its something which has to be taken seriously and we need to we need to work in order to in order to prevent and we need to we need to work in order to in order to prevent civilian literally and these incursions this getting days into this. And that or the other night that we have as a supporter to measure recently is unfortunately as a result of. Operations or or yet bombardment yes as a result of. Operations or or yet bombardment only. A few days ago in a friday prayer the only. A few days ago in a friday prayer the the people who were civilians were targeted in. The people who were civilians were targeted. A suicidal bomb led to killing off dozens of part a suicidal bomb that led to killing off dozens of our citizens this is the approach and situation but when it is having process as this is the approach and situation but when it is telling from our enemies. What we need to from our enemies we. We need to we need to we need to deal with it but when it is as a result of friendly operating need to we need to deal with it but when it is as a result of friendly operations against the enemies of peace in their country we should pay. Against the enemies of peace in their country we should Pay Attention to it in care just finally then dr abdullah at most attention to it in care just finally then dr Abdullah Abdullah and obviously. Some people say of me that as the hes the one of us and resources and geography some people say thats the reason why some countries are one war when you walk or in your dockery. Peak east people it is really likely that is it dies like they did to say they did in that in beijing in joining in and i dont think that that. The issue of peace would be will be achieved as a peace would be will be achieved as a result of one get to get of i mean we are but the fact that as out of one get together i mean we are but the fact that adel august taken place i cant say that it. Adel august taken place i cant say that it. A positive step that has not taken place as of yet one has to see positive step daughter that has not taken place as of yet what has to see what will be the action of the taliban. What will be the action of the taliban did in those. Days that will continue in those. Days that will continue in beijing china if taliban agree on the deduction of violence or. China if taliban agree on the deduction of violence or cease fire during the negotiations between the afghans those could be ceasefire during the negotiations between the afghans those could be would be considered as a support so peace will not be achieved would be considered as a support so peace will not be achieved as a result of one downed of a low but if the force used as a result of one downed of a low but if if the 1st step is positive then one could become more hopeful towards the future step is positive then one could become more hopeful towards the future give executive thank you youre welcome thank you after the break the most important give executive thank you youre welcome thank you after the break the most important political publication youve never heard of the former editor of black marxist magazine political publication youve never heard of the former editor of black marxist Magazine Race today later on fighting for class as well as race and inspiring the 1st race today later how on fighting for class as well as race and inspiring the 1st norm like labor m. P. s and music from the revolutionary mind of the norm like labor m. P. s and music from the revolutionary. Of benjamins that all the civil coming up a plot to have going underground. Benjamins that all the civil coming up a plot to have going underground. During the Great Depression which im old enough to remember. During the Great Depression which im old enough to remember there was most of my family there with was important but mostly. It was a poor working class there wasnt it was bed you know much worse objectively than today but there was an expectation it was bed you know much worse objectively than today but there was an expectation the things were going to get better. There was a real sense of hopefulness and the things were going to get better. There was a real sense of hopefulness there isnt today todays america where shape by the 10 principles there isnt today todays america was shaped by the 10 principles of concentration of wealth and power. Reduced a concentration of wealth and power. Reduced democracy attack solo doubt engineer elections democracy attack solo doubt engineer elections manufacture consent and other principles according to no us manufacture consent and other principles according to no on control dome since day one the ones for to rid ritual. Or set of rules for. Thats what happens when you put her thats where into the when you can sort of put her into the hands of the narrow sector of wilf which will is dedicated narrow sector of will switch will is dedicated to increasing power for itself just as youd expect one of the most influential in to increasing power for itself just as youd expect one of the most influential intellectuals of our time speaks about the modern civilization of america intellectuals of our time speaks about the modern civilization of america. What politicians do something. What politicians do something to. Put themselves on the line they get accepted or rejected. They put themselves on the line to get accepted or rejected. So when you want to be president or injury. Or something want to be. So when you want to be president or injury. Or something i want to be thats. Whats it like to be for us thats what before it spreads. Thats why the beat for us is what the 43 in the morning cant be good. Im interested always in the why is it last 3 in the morning cant be good. Im interested always in the why is it not how. I sit. I said. Welcome back to. They mark the final week of u. K. Black History Month celebrating black culture and welcome back today marks the final week of u. K. Black History Month celebrating black culture and politics here are going on the ground weve been looking at a new book that celebrates one of the most influential black public politics here going underground weve been looking at a new book that celebrates one of the most influential black publications of the 20th century one that inspired some of todays greatest black activists and politicians asians of the 20th century one that inspired some of todays greatest black activists and politicians race today previously edited by the legendary civil rights activist doctors how practiced not just race today previously edited by the legendary civil rights activist doctors how practice not just journalism but activism becoming part of the stories and campaigns they covered and join journalism but activism becoming part of the stories and campaigns they covered im joined by one of the magazines former editors later how they were welcome to going underground black history by one of the magazines former editors later how they were welcome to going underground black History Month why now for this collected journalism free month why now for this collected journalism of battling so many decades in total here to stay here to fight primarily to celebrate burning so many decades in total here to stay here to fight primarily to celebrate the darkest it darkest how who was the editor of a sedan in fact from the very state collective dark turn a half years ago now and 8 the darkest it darkest how who was the editor of a sedan in fact from the very state collective darkest turn half years ago now and group of us is a small small group of us have been talking about how we can can and shell feel that hes legacy that what he stood for is maintained and we came up with the idea of producing and i thought that what he stood for is maintained and we came up with the idea of producing an anthology of race today. Which for 4014 years of his life he was key in the city of race today which for 4014 years of his life he was key in keeping the collective of 8 women and 6 men together activists who through keeping a collective of 8 women and 6 men together activists who produced a journal but were also politically active in the immigrant communities have to do is to journal but also politically active in the immigrant communities have to care and just because your husband was my boss. They care and just because your husband was my boss for a few years when i was at channel 4 i got to us what he thought and for a few years when i was at channel 4 i got to us what he thought and its very relevant because he has the shadow home secretary of this country is dan abnett and its very relevant because he has the shadow home secretary of this country is dan abbott and she says she says it helped pave the way for she says she says it helped pave the way for black women in this country one of the most political important political journals or black women in this country one of the most political important political journals in britain thats when the general secretary do you think. But in britain thats when the general secretary do you think. It could have been shot of him secretary a black woman whom secretary could have been without race today without would have been shattered secretary a black woman whom secretary could have been without race today without definitely not definitely not i mean we now to chart. Definitely not definitely not i mean we now to chart what some people would term success down to the campaigning days we campaign for black people would term success down to the campaigning days we campaign for black sections in the labor. We supported black sections in the labor party we went to the sections in the labor party we supported black sections in the labor party we went to the Labor Party Conference to support them we gave voice to diane we must say sections of the Labor Party Conference to support them we gave voice to die and we must say sections of the labor party as well were against the idea of these black m. P. s raising their wish labor party as well were against the idea of these black m. P. s raising their issues and saying that they had the right to be considered as m. P. s to represent their immigrant population that isnt saying that they had the right to be considered as m. P. s to represent their immigrant population or their right wing trading true yes diane abbott is the 1st right wing trade union true yes diane abbott is the 1st person ever to take prime ministers question yes yes it was a way the book has quite a bit i was never to take prime ministers question yes or yes it was a way the book has quite a bit about police power as we used to down hard on political activity by people of color by Police Powers we used to down hard on political activity by people of color i mean a bit about that specifically i suppose it was with the largest street festival and you tell me a bit about that specifically i suppose it was with the largest street festival in europe because im really not a guess the 1st campaign was by the police who carnally not to guess the 1st campaign was by the police who really engineered a petition from the local community to say that qana really engineered a petition from the local community to say that qana bill should be taken off the streets of notting hill and since then were talking about. The 70 taken off the streets of notting hill and since and were talking about. The seventys since then there is even today there is a Systematic Campaign that says since then there is even today there is a Systematic Campaign that says that convo should not. On the streets of notting hill and so thats something which even up is that kind of who should not be on the streets of notting hill and so thats something which even up until the end of his life doctors was attending meetings against until the end of his life doctors was attending meetings against politicians and local councils he was saying its too big for the streets we have to get out of the politicians and local councils he was saying its too big for the streets we have to get out of the streets and put in the stadium because if something doesnt cost money its not worth anything actually put it in the stadium because if something doesnt cost money its not worth anything actually i mean is there throughout partly because you say i mean is there throughout partly because you say that the magazine raised today they want you to bear witness to the story that the magazine raised today they want you to bear witness to the stories of the working class is that larry as well as to represent their views yes different to resolve the working classes that are very as well as to represent their views yes different to the soviet union so basically when we dock is one of doxes 1st editor of the soviet union so basically when we dock is one of doxes 1st editorials was that we would Record Record and recognize the struggles of the population and with that we would Record Record and recognise the struggles of the population and recognise that the revolutionary potential of these struggles and so we basically recognised that the revolutionary potential of these struggles and so we basically went to just immigrant communities and talk to people we used went to just immigrant communities and talk to people we used i was 24 at the time so when doctors suggested i should read about his inquiry by i was 24 at the time so when doctors suggested i should read about his inquiry by karl marx i was a. What but of course in our activism we began to i was a bit of what but of course in our activism we began to understand why. Division was a of a kind that you understand why. Division was a of a kind that you didnt just go to a community have a campaign you had to know who the population was who didnt just go to a community have a campaign you had to know who the population was where they came from where they were what their preoccupations were what they want where they came from where they were what their preoccupations were and what they wanted and that was how we approached our activism we were successful in the countless pointed and that was how we approached our activism we were successful in the countless Police Campaigns because that time is particular in the seventys i would say coming up to the eightys campaigns because that time is particular in the seventys i would say coming up to the eightys police pastime was to beat up young black men in particular and the framing of it is a police pastime was to beat up young black men in particular and the framing of black youth and this is now been accepted by the police themselves but what we did is we had lack use and this is now been accepted by the police themselves but what we did is we had campaigns of you know the trick would 12 there be it wasnt like 2 or 3 people the campaigns of you know the trick would 12 there be it wasnt like 2 or 3 people that be groups of people whove been oppressed by the police and we then would go in and supporting groups of people whove been oppressed by the police and we then would go in and support and campaign for them and we were successful in some of them and some of them we persuaded predominant pain for them and we were successful in some of them and some of them we persuaded predominately white juries that the police were lying and others we were. Legally were the police were lying and others we were. Illegally were fine because a. Subsequent scotland you know. Chief said the fine because a subsequent scotland you know. Chief said the police an institutional race is absolutely 1st and that would be some decades later police an institutional race is absolutely 1st and that would be some decades later yes i have some disturbing is that. Your what one of your conscience of munitions in this book a lot of people do about impeachment in the United States and everyone knows about a lot of people talking about impeachment in the United States and everyone knows about watergate thats the kind of point you make in one of your pieces in the book and your main watergate thats a kind of point you make in one of your pieces in the book and youre making the point that people should know about cointelpro absolutely. The point people should know about cointelpro absolutely. Yes nothing nothing to people still dont know about no no no so the black Panther Party b s nothing nothing people still dont know about no no no and so the black Panther Party which i have to say for many young black people including myself before waste a day which i have to say for many young black people including myself before waste a day we were in this kind of black power will denies asians which were basically many black Panther Party we were in this kind of black power will win as asians were basically many black Panther Party is we adopted a lot of their slogans a lot of their you know their ideology but we adopted a lot of their slogans a lot of their you know their ideology but of course later on when the book came out that i reviewed in 2 about it of course later on when the book came out that i reviewed in 2 about it turned out to the f. B. I. And i had that impulse to say to disorganize the nation i had to the extent that they try called into into these organizations to the extent that they called into nice im all fair and people were murdered. And killed all in. All fair and people were murdered and killed all instigated by the f. B. I. But in this youre saying in your piece did in job creation programs for the poor in this youre saying in your piece did in job creation programs for the poor and this is joining the beginning of his or near liberal factory. And this is joining the beginning of the near liberal factory. Yes they were aimed at stopping the revolutionary spirit the spirit of the unemployed yes so they were aimed at stopping the revolutionary spirit the spirit of the unemployed yes so by that i think what we meant was that a lot of projects then came up there would by that i think what we meant was that a lot of projects then came up there would where as we had meetings with use with parents with the black whereas we had meetings with use with parents with the black community to say what is the change you want and how do we get it and we believed it was by direct community to say what is the change you want and how do we get it and we believed it was by direct action and confronting the state that way they then came up with a whole ethos of fact action and confronting the state that way they then came up with a whole ethos of what we call project tatton of having little use centers itll use workers coming in what we call project tatton of having little use centers itll use workers coming in and that meant that the rulers of the major they are the allegations and that meant that a lot of the. Validation that mean. Because they impart that you have sort of you know. That mean but. Because they import impose their own rules and restrictions on what these could do within these institutions that whole revolution and impose their own rules and restrictions on what these could do that in these institutions that whole revolution and you went this particular knife crime you know theyre piling lots of resource. Is into it but what if you went this particular knife crime you know theyre piling lots of resources into it but what about the boys themselves is anyone spoken to the boys themselves about their daily existence about the boys themselves is anyone spoken to the boys themselves about their daily existence on these estates where selling drugs is your only option and you attack on these estates where selling drugs is your only option and you attack these boys for what theyre doing you know the whole post code lottery which is all about drugs these boys for what theyre doing you know the whole post code lottery which is all about drugs but the big cocaine dealers the people at the top are bringing in the drugs and these boys of but the big cocaine dealers the people at the top are bringing in the drugs and these boys a very low in the food chain for all of this nobody talks about but we attack the victim very low in the food chain for all of this nobody talks about but we attack the victims of this whole economic setup the Police Denies that. This of this whole economic setup the Police Denies that. Theyre doing everything they can and other ages and this is saying that in doing everything they can and other ages and this is saying that intersectionality is so important race gender and class but i mean i have been just sexuality is so important race gender and class but i mean i have been resolved these struggles i mean one only has to think of how obama is really resolved these struggles are even when only as you think of how obama is revered in the United States obviously not from from the poorest of reared in the United States obviously not from from the poorest of causes and you see the book now in relation to what. And you see the book now in relation to what. What is talked about today about the struggles of raise children. I have accepted i mean what is talked about today about the struggles of race gender and i have accepted i mean people have been to meetings where they talked about the book im people have said. People have been to meetings where theyve talked about the book im people have said he. Cant talk about black anymore youve got to talk about black women back and they you know theres a dual cant talk about black anymore you got to talk about black women back and they you know theres a whole and intersectionality debate but one of the things that strikes me is where are the proponents intersectionality to debate but one of the things that strikes me is where are the politics theres a lot of debate and discussion but i dont see the challenge to television the ticks theres a lot of debate and discussion but i dont see the challenge the challenge the state the challenge to authority which is basically was our bread and butter of course while you talk about state the challenge Jill Dougherty which is basically was our bread and butter of course while you talk about extreme violence in west kansas over the carnival period or the extreme violence in west kansas over the carnival period over with and of course our ground felt 72. 00 killed racism was charity been blamed again are we seeing the we then of course i grant felt 72. 00 killed racism was charity been blamed again are we seeing the problem you just mentioned the politicization of a tragedy problem you just mentioned the politicization of a tragedy like grenfell but again with grandfather i think that that there is a political strand in it we like but again with grandfather i think that that there is a political strand in it when phil but very quickly with you know the visits from the queen it kind of been phil but very quickly with you know the visits from the queen it kind of defuses what basically on the royal table structure. I mean and if use is what basically on the royalty people start to mean in a way to lean in the tragedy that another contribution is by one of the greatest solicitors or to lead in the tragedy that another contribution is by one of the greatest solicitors in british legal history arguably who fought for the Irish Community when it was based in british legal history arguably who fought for the Irish Community when it was being beaten up by the police care of peers yes shes now julian songes lawyer and beaten up by the police Gareth Pierce yes shes now julian songes lawyer yes tell me about she says something in this book she says to police yes tell me about it she says something in this book she says to political actions are embedded in 20th century british history 20000 to go actions are embedded in 20th century british history 20000 black britons marching after the new cross fire in this isnt black britons marching after the new cross fire in the seventys and the trial of your husband. And seventys and the trial of your husband in an amount of time for many people watching or even no know of the very accurately these are saying mangrove labor many people watching would even know know the very accurately these are saying these are 2 seminal moments in british history jess take us through the case so these are 2 seminal moments in british history jess take us through the case so the black peoples day of action there was a 5 in new cross and 30 young people about peoples day of action there was a 5 in new cross and 30 young people were killed in the fight was a 16th Birthday Party the area in which the party killed in the fight was a 16th Birthday Party the area in which the party was held at been known for national fun activity theyve been a bombing. The use club before it was been known for national fun activity theyd been a bombing of a youth club before the bombing of a house called the sunderland mode bombing the day this is what the mother of the bombing of a house called the sunderland moat bombing the day this is what the mother of 2 of the people at the party was told it was a fire bomb 2 of the people at the party was told it was a fire bomb there was a man in the car and then the police tried to turn around and say that 4 black boys had it in the car and then the police tried to turn around and say that 4 black boys had a fight in the party and they caused the fire so we were fighting the police on that fight a fight in the party and they caused the fire so we were fighting the police on that front taking statements from people going selves talking to people but they arent taking statements from people who are going selves talking to people but the anger was so strong we called a meeting of which we saw 30 people would attend and 300 people anger was so strong we called a meeting of which we saw 30 people would attend and 300 people turned up and they didnt turn up just from london they came from Birmingham Manchester people turned up and they didnt turn up just from london they came from Birmingham Manchester so we very lies that there was a kind of National Feeling of this really was so we very lies that there was a kind of National Feeling of this really was the final straw but the something really had to be done and so. The final straw but the something really had to be done and so. We called the Peoples Assembly again people even though there is but we. Called the Peoples Assembly again people even though there is but we had regular Peoples Assembly is in all our politics we always try to politicize had regular Peoples Assembly is in all our politics we always try to politicize the people themselves more than than would be normal and we. Agreed the people themselves more than than would be normal and we agreed in the Peoples Assembly that we would have a mile across london on a working day in the Peoples Assembly that we would have a march across london on a working day that we wouldnt do the traditional lets do it on a saturday go to Trafalgar Square have a route that we wouldnt do the traditional lets do it on a saturday go to Trafalgar Square have a rally and so on a monday we did and we gathered in a park and i remember and so on a monday we did and we gathered in a park and i remember darcus and all of us the collective there and other activists thinking was this a mistake because and all of us the collective there and other activists thinking was this a mistake whos going to come and then bit by bit it just failed and as we marched children climbed was going to come and then bit by bit it just failed and as we marched children climbed some schools people jumped off must buses and by the time we got to the west to block files from schools people jumped off must buses and by the time we got to the west to blackfriars bridge we were about 15 to 20000 strong but when we got about 5 bridge the police force bridge were about 15220000 strong but when we got about 5 bridge the police were there with a complete cordon saying youre not passing and i have to say young that there was a complete cordon saying youre not passing and i have to say it was a young people who sent a message back to doctors on the bus to say were being prevented people who sent a message back to doctors on the bus to say were being prevented with doctors on the lorry and young people they just pushed through what we would have been a little go at with the doctors on the lorry and the young people there just pushed through probably would have been a little whether or not they had to buy the book for just finally youve seen the can they have to buy the book for it but then just finally you seen the kinds of accusations and criticisms leveled against that. Yes there is in this book and your accusations and criticisms leveled against it yes it was in this book saying shes useless economy doing the job. Election imminent saying shes useless economy doing the job. Election imminent no more do you expect against your colleagues. More do you expect against your colleagues i mean the attacks on her been absolutely vicious and when theyre racing. I mean the attacks on her been absolutely vicious and when theyre racing against racist sexist i mean the threats against her life that threatens to physically racist sexist i mean the threats against her life that threatens to physically assault i mean have been discussing and the fact that you know she has to. I mean i have been discussing and the fact that you know she has stood strong and still kind and i think its great testament to done im sure we can be as strong and still kind and i think its great testament to done im sure we are going to see Going Forward vilification of do you want diane abbott to be the home secretary and to see Going Forward vilification of do you want diane abbott to be the home secretary the ha ha or no way this woman is used that will that will definitely haha or no way this woman is used that will that will definitely be part of the campaign as we go through in the election thank you very be part of the campaign as we go through in the election thank you thats it for the show in a 2nd well hear music from race today inspired poet and actor ben johnson for the show in a 2nd well hear music from race today inspired poet and actor benjamin stuff and i will be back on the eve of Boris Johnson scheduled bricks that day but as u. K. 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