Countries at odds in a 3rd country where neither one of them should be there under International Law now damascus having all but one this conflict this International Proxy War they must have some kind of morbid sense of humor watching 2 hour 2 allied countries in the same military alliance at odds with each other the president the United States is telling the president of turkey if you go over certain lines which we dont know what they are they can face devastating sanctions again whats going on in nato. Well trumps rhetoric we should always be a bit cautious with similar well he has told his his Treasury Department you know prepare for it but also told north korea they should expect fire and theory about you know a few weeks later expressing you know how they fell in love so it is you know it does go a bit back and forth now but it is interesting with nato United States and nato versus nato because at the moment we. Turkey wanting to as a representation of self according to this emerging public distribution of power which means they dont necessarily want to only align with with the u. S. Or russia or or iran or china and when they want to be a little can you can you play their game with they need to and that would be unique and i think nato would have to adapt a bit because. Throughout the bipolar and you know polar air nato us meant to align with the United States you know youre fall in line i think at the moment were going to have to accept a bit more deviations because turkey will it demands to pursue its going to turkey 1st so theres a National Interest in things to me like a little bit pregnant its not. Particularly. Because its on the military. Members of different enemies for instance or for the french people the enemy is people killing in the streets of paris for the pullen for the polish the enemy is supposed to be russia as well for the for the greeks for the greek. And for the government the enemy could so its its not a military alliance to be to be honest its a political audience its a way with using used by washington to control to politically military reside to. Get down to the 2nd most powerful military in need which is to and they dont want to play. The same tune then. Theres something going on in the alliance here glenn thinks it can it out i dont think you can. Just add to some past here its not just 2 members of the same alliance these are 2 countries that tried to destroy the Syrian Government just recently you know and i got a call do you have a line from the Washington Post from 2012 when turkish fighter jet was dulled by the syrian air force. One syria against approaching the border with turkey draws defiance from our site so at the moment nato was all on the side of turkey. They said stupid things like syria may make an aggression against to syria which was in the red just over civil war you know a country blinded by the by the walk brought from old sight they expected it to and who is now who is now taking the cooks who are the bad date Free Syrian Army now the turks have renamed it cream national on the just read the papers you know make its internet search of the New York Times and the Washington Post they were the movie guys that i read only look at anything going to happen here ok again when we look at the the us in turkey and with each other in syria its still a. Selfdefense ok you come its mutual defense what happens what happens if something happens in the in the syria gets involved in this parley here are they going to invoke article 5 do you think any other member of nato is going to come to turkeys aid thats what i mean its not going to change its either one way or another you could argue that this is to some extent an evidence that they have reached a bit of a compromise. To talk about america withdrawing but they havent actually withdrawn from syria theyre just pulling out and opening up for a turkish invasion or at the going to want us to stop work. Words have meaning and from the perspective of syria it is an invasion use the word right i would agree that they are entering a foreign territory that its an invasion no one invited them so but obviously the americans gave while on the trampoline. Green light. Green light so pulling back so the turks could come in so it looks like there is some attempts to to harmonize their interests and it would please me. Just be clear a minute can you keep it under control everything about the syrian conflict. Started there were ever you know the turks have crossed the border then they support the rebellion not only the turks but the United States the European Union everyone and also the want that vandy the terrorists are going to threaten these countries and indeed you know in turkey there were several more terrorist attacks in 2015 so. Again hes seen turkeys fate in the terrorist danger he is not so far from the troops you know hundreds of the dead here is a danger. To the point is we needed to clear the issue army to fight against isis or to fight against islamist its because we dont want to send some in front of the. We send some support. From France Special forces but as long as the west want to continue im sorry in very least words they need to use in infantry and the problem of the in the western narrative. People were supposed to arise again. And what is this point is that there are people are. We need an infantry to fight the monsters we created i mean the islamists on the west or the ice is on the east coast and we needed the issue in front of me to be and to be honest and the point is any serious expert 4 years ago when we started to work with these people everybody perfectly knew that some knowledge. For countries that these people inside will agree to this truism as they used to do the last century so there is no surprise and im going to get well again. Only to quote quote unquote abandoning the turks know the turks made a bad historical decision again damage ok well i mean i would remind you. That basically is who started the whole war this is the point that made which made all of that mass media all of the Mainstream Media angry but you said this is all because of obama well yes because of course start the war in 20112012 of course not only obama it was also the European Union but remember Nouri Al Maliki at that that the iraqi Prime Minister he said the war would speak to iraq you know there is what mr operated on also in iraq and the American Media was dismissive of him he is a car but he is asked of stooge when the ice is started to operate in syria and in iraq and they never apologized you know they never agreed that basically what i also said that there is that they can other countries was true what nobody had money that was spin or were to iraq was true and now you know i dont cotton to you there was the cooks and the syrians syrians too can nearly all the crowd casualties in that previous fight against the kind of fight why would they do so again after trump abandoned them against the turks and came with the quote the question is here. And bans in syria against. The train left the station can the kurds in the Syrian Government come to terms because over the last couple weeks the number of experts in the decision is split what do you think went well i think the kurds less of an option of this i think there would be if they had more they hear more leverage not too long ago now they have only given it up so yes so. Difficult to predict because its too many uncertain variables but i do think that the turks and outside the kurds on the greater pressure now to kind of. Closer towards the Syrian Government. Words have to abandon the United States because thats the thats it ok you have to choose well if you start really into the Syrian Government. Guess would hope would. Before the muskets and i had to sit down and the kurds who would be negotiated. Through that on agreement of 98. 00 i think that would be the main format to resolve this issue so yes i think if that happens the u. S. Would have to be squeezed a bit out of it however as i mentioned the americans actually left syrian territory so there might still searching for that mission in syria but he said in my opinion there will be some revenge against a goodish people because look at what happened. In the west use the. Fighters to take up city and to completely destroy it and so in my opinion and again which was to happen that the arab living in. Or in jena soon as they will see that the fighters we lived were living it would be it would be a bug but time for the for the good people you mentioned in one minute we were going to mean that main point for me is that western narrative physical action kurds are afraid of turkey then theyre afraid of us and weve been told all these years that are so these are the worst and now he turns out that kurds are more afraid of turkey which used to be a key element in the west and also what they gave us up and you know aragon in 2012 when he was prepared an invasion because of that fight that was dont ever go on said i am not giving weapons to the rebels but i will for all possible support to liberate the syrians from dictatorship and of court and then the west will support if yes he wants to leverage syria from dictatorship and now theyre saying arrogantly is a liar are going to dictate that when did he become more powerful the good thing is that on this program with you gentlemen we have a sense of memory and a sense of history were going to go to a short break and after that short break well continue our discussion of the real news day with r. T. Join me every thursday on the Alex Simon Schill and ill be speaking to guest of the world of politics Small Business im showbusiness ill see you then. In a world of big partisan movies lot and conspiracy its time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that Mainstream Media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door. And shouting past each other its time for Critical Thinking its time to fight for the middle for the truth the time is now for watching closely watching the hawks. 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Im certain there has been a shocking amount of the organizing opposition to adverts to increase the standards of care for dogs bred in commercial breeding facilities most of that opposition is coming from huge Agricultural Industries that have got to deal with jobs by dog. Welcome back across all Things Considered im Peter Lavelle were discussing some real news. Ok let me go back to glenn here and stay with that Turkey Us Syria story here its foreign and military adventures we have learned over the last couple decades theyre easy to get started ok the law of unintended consequences are always in play but when youre putting in your troops youre not thinking about what could go wrong what could go wrong for turkey with their their escapade in Northern Syria do they plan to stay. Its hard to their their their their strategy changed over the over the long. Long years of this war so i think at the moment their ideal scenario i guess if they could do what they want will would be to cleanse the Border Regions of turds by entering the e. U. Member is going to commit ethnic cleansing and no ones going to stop possibly you know even repopulated with the Syrian Refugees within there and we want to go there yeah no its well again its not a well thought out reply and you can live very thank you that was the point of the question but i want to be surprised if we would have. On this site with an equipment between. The russian. Love for office a lot of work ahead of it and you know i took. Turns 20 years ago. Between affairs and i saw the. Turkey as well saw. That there was a radio. And if you look at the reaction of the russian reaction refused to vote against you on the un and if you look at. The take takes. I wont be surprised if there is already an agreement on the. So that theres if you were to use the Monopoly Game is there as an analogy thats to get out of jail free card here. We just heard about russias possible involvement of the enemy putin speaking to arab media all foreign powers should leave syria interventional russia would like to do exactly the same thing its not an open ended commitment. I think this would be their ideal solution about also russia pushing for the renewable the 1998 agreement between turkey and syria the question is how is this possible if a drug on im sorry lets call a spade a spade are going to try to kill us they have our friends theyve they spend together syrian and turkish cabinet you know just even to kill during meetings you know in the beginning of the state all the states are called monsters. You know i just cant imagine how after everything that happened they can return to business as usual but the main problem what you have there is usually im a bit you know how do you open hostilities ill take that any day of the week. You know there was a very good article in the american conservative about the us l. X. Yes by daniel and then let me just quote it very quickly the board issue for you what happens when the u. S. Commits to unnecessary and unwinnable wars and gives local partners on reasonable expectations off support and protection well basically this is how a provocative acts they get. Country they dont understand why you created russia or syria and turkey the court that if you rise up against you know. Youre going to get support from these we see will walk and then they just retreat and we come out and i think. Some of that tragedy let me remind you that no one talked about and i think greenstick in 2015 but. Were very close to extinction they were in a war the kurds are you know now what theyre talking about the courts please. If you are still a kurd if it hit him in the face go ahead you know well just do think turkey will have a lot of incentives to be more measured in this military invasion though because well 1st of all the whole region is supportive of this theyre all of it having very bad relations with the u. S. Over this but possibly more importantly if they go too hard and neglect it will fail to coordinate that listen a little bit with the Syrian Government they would not just some problem between our southern that have gone but you would also have a problem with russia and iran and if you want to have a if you want a settlement other day its you know you need to talk to moscow and tear on like you dismiss the former so i think that thats the main reason why im going to have to sit with assad and they have to sort out the kurdish issues problem through that 99. 00 they are going to be. Moving the with in the beginning no political plan if you remember 5 years ago when they start to we involved part in the. Peace plan. Which work new couldnt agree more that you want to find peace solution in syria the need to talk to russia and. The if the west wants peace in syria that is you look i am not the idea that i havent heard much about i. Switch gears just real quickly here i dont want to go into the morass called american domestic politics but you know it much to my mind donald trump will be impeached he will not be removed but he will be impeached by the Democratic Congress i decide to fact American Foreign policy well again they should call the show on predictability because its very difficult to so many variables in their well do you want to call him well i think ill know although that i think probably 3 major areas one will be there did they think theyre going to isolate the us within a notices but theyre also going to isolate the United States in International Affairs and i think from trump were going to see possibly more brazen Foreign Policy because he would have he would really need in order to win the election under pietschmann he would need some big win and want to win means does it mean striking a trade deal with. China being a peacemaker or. He can go both ways yes or yes yeah its very unpredictable. I mean this speech you made a 2 days ago said something very true we know to discuss with any u. S. President as long as you know that maybe in 2 months is all the discussion will be published in the newspaper so i probably the democrats know theyre destroying the destroying the u. S. Foreign policy but you willing to destroy trying to stupid and. There is a very interesting site that if trump to publish the commiseration resilience keep it means that he doesnt care of ukraine because in my opinion you. Refused to publish any conversation with. The chinese or. Anything