A military installation and this. Energy is elation and and this is really the vulnerable the weak spots that they have. That they have presented to them so theres not much they can really do about it so they could make peace with the with the who these in yemen one think they could do to show us that iran with the various simple weaponry can create some pain for the who is easy to be careful i dont know well i would guess that the drones themselves the construction of them probably some of the Strategic Directions probably have come. With some input from iran. I think is reason to lose even if it is reasonable until they get over it alex it seems to me its not important who orchestrated this because i dont think thats the point i think the point is that it could be orchestrated and its a demonstration of what can come all right you have saudi arabia spending vast amounts of money on quote unquote defense that apparently doesnt work or they dont know how it works in the United States is any more forces there theyre learning the wrong lesson whoever orchestrated this says stop the war because we can do this again it will be more intense higher magnitude right sort of trump is going to sanction our central bank in iran hes going to saying in the Sovereign Wealth Fund as well hes sending. Troops to saudi arabia in order to prevent this from happening again and you know do you want to sending a few ships right more troops i was not going to stop this when we were even told there are some people saying that the attack its no or region aided and so in saudi arabia exactly exactly i think youre spot on peter because it doesnt really even though is a lot of people theorizing who did this was it iran was it who these was it israel was it saudi arabia was it the cia everyones you know has their theory as to who did this because you know a lot of people saying this was a false flag and thats what worries me its not who did this what worries me is that ok youre sending a message to stop the war great the war needs to be stopped youre sending a message that Saudi Arabian n. B. S. Is vulnerable hes the weak link in the in the u. S. Iran is real kind of structure in that hes only has to be portrayed as been shown running steroids right and right before the iraq oh floatation as well so youre sending a message there and youre sending you know a message to trump in other words youre saying you dont really want to go to war here in the middle east and i get that as well but what worries me peter is that we had before this we had the all tanker incident a couple of them d now we have this and you can only push trump so far because i really think trump does not want to go to war i think its very clear now but hes surrounded by a lot of neo cons hes surrounded by a lot of war hawks left and right and maximum pressure has failed i worry about real quick i worry about that because sooner or later one more incident whoever does it whoever does it hes going to have to take action and that worries me going to the brink real quick go ahead real quick a vietnamese is going to say i also believe the trump definitely wants to go into the new election as the president who didnt actually start a war which will be the 1st time and im going to go toward. The bar exam because im not going to problem is this maximum pressure strategy is putting all the conditions in place for war because what is done with iran now has put in the situation where there is all or nothing so wrong house and everything to lose from just sitting still and doing. Thing and sort of see its a coming choke to death or it can make a big gamble and effectively shoulder sardis american concept help you become supportive and also telling the rest of the world if you try to crush us we have ways to get back at you so having this powerful deterrent its there they can gain a lot from doing this high risk investor problem he put in a position where iran kind of has to gauge and high risk in order to save itself well you know they could always buy a russian isp or hundreds but you know. My question to you is is that if. We can speculate who might have helped who they think we were speaking the obvious you however i think with another message going with my line of thinking is that other. Into the region could have access to the same technology so im talking about as below in lebanon this is sending a message not only to the saudis that theyre vulnerable not a message to the us that hes vulnerable but the entire stability of the middle east is at stake right now and i think this is the message they need to start ratcheting down you could very easily be ratcheted up again well i think theyre basically when we have person to blame you know we should remember who started the whole thing you know the whole start i think started in 2015 when star saudi arabia started being yemen after a. Coup there you know with total support from the United States from president obama from there somewhere i wanted to do so because i want to because of her memoir she white watches her self and now now were kind of the International Press basically be mourning their fate of the civilian population of yemen which is a right you know but the International Press does not remind us that our barbara and the ultra liberal are you always just in the United States and in that you were directly complicit in starting that war part of the blame is on them and even if the kuwaitis or someone some. Are the shia groups in the middle east even if it was they walk. Alone right to say that its a deterrent you know its amazing for the 1st time in their European Press i see some sympathy for these action against saudi arabia for example often blithered often bothered which is a swedish newspaper writes that easy is it all the media who is happy about what happened maybe it will send a message that we need to protect the environment and theyre basically if you can. Buy a car off in a matter of minutes you know then maybe we should look for a policeman for oh ok its a very twisted very swedish you know ecological argument against the war i think the water should stop primarily in order to prevent people from being killed and the environment but its for the 1st time in many years that europe is kind of opposed to all these aggressions its obviously a boss to the aggression of saudi arabia against yemen and it is becoming more and more sympathetic with the shiite minority in terms of what it does is it is increasing the chasm between europe and the United States because the europeans have made it very clear that theyre not willing. Will be if their knowledge did pushed in blackmail they will continue to support the u. S. But its showing their cows im glad about the europeans also recognize that this is directly linked to the iran nuclear deal. And because the american soon latrobe withdrew from it even though the americans are threatening to put sanctions on the europeans a 2nd there are sanctions if they continue but they dont also withdraw from the deal so so so obviously this is a big split with this conflict becoming more more moving towards war iran needs to show that it it also has a deterrent then i dont see the europeans thinking this is a great time to suddenly switch sides and get bored with American Idol continues a trend i would say yeah yes you know. What i think is very interesting is that the saudis are putting the anti in there saying the ball is in your court right now and then we all know that trump doesnt want to get into a new war but hes painted himself into a very terrible horner and thats what makes the stakes so much higher because you could have a 3rd party that is interested in a conflict in the could we could see a potential false flag this is very very dangerous and putting the mess the wrong message has been received sending more hardware there more troops there more ships that shows that they havent learned that this is a game of chicken that has reached its been the ultimate stage yet cant we just not believe had an article she said that you know the United States and trump is losing the narrative on iraq and i think shes exactly right and i think dimitris right too in that aspect that trump did inherit the yemen war but he made a terrible strategic mistake by pulling out of that j. C. P. O. Way and then he painted himself in that corner that youre talking about but the narrative is being lost because because people now are actually seeing saudi arabia as the aggressor whether its yemen or whether its with whats going on in iran and were talking about before the show peter we actually are told see cowbird go on fox news the other day neil cavuto and she actually stated and im paraphrasing that saudi arabia is the bigger enemy not iran dont go to war with iraq you see how he choked oh yeah she buried him because thats the name of the pushing demon before we go to break very quickly you know the war in yemen i think it was the 1st war that obama wanted to conduct with old boots on the ground by someone elses hands you know that was his new strategy im not saying american troops and that the soldiers do it and it was a complete disaster i think you know the french. That if this operation is called resolute force its resident force against yemen yes it killed tens of thousands displaced medians it was supposed to be a single ended little war once there results but it was supposed to be a splendid lou. Or look at n. B. S. Would come out on top showing his credentials and all that everything this man touches in the region goes south absolutely last word yeah i was so sad to say this very difficult situation for both sides because. Iran has been put in the place now where it really has no hour to spin very pressured put in a corner but the americans are kind of put themselves in a corner as well and thats i think thats where the danger comes because alex on to point out that some point now crumple have to attack iran otherwise he will be out of options and the wrong thats the same problem they dont have any other options than to and is why we have you on the program frequently with real fears here were going to go to a short break and after that your break well continue our discussion about some real new state with north. Please. Lists lists lists. Lists. And a very warm welcome to you watching on since last. But if she warned you didnt i do the dishes at the bottom or the g. s nudist beach and you see me when you do you believe the truth. About that when he dies he has something. He needs i mean that so that in football. A lot of you will see fuzzy fights about who can teach other both. As if. By. God i dont. Think hes. Going to bring it in to him. Welcome back across now were all Things Considered im Peter Lavelle to remind you were discussing some real names. I just limit switch gears here. Biden in ukraine alex finally finally people are talking about it but the wrong story ok gives the back 3 years 3 years in the making of a story for 4 or 5 years actually during the my dad and during the war nice ukraine this story has been a rout and Biden Hunter Biden to be more specific along with devon archer who is quick coincidentally the roommate of john kerrys son in law Christopher Heinz fame building right behind dynasty those 2 along with another ukrainian oligarch were part of a company with directors of a Company Called the response this company is an energy all and gas Company Operating in. Crain headquartered out of cyprus for various tax reasons during the war there were a lot of reports that hunter biden and actually were pushing for the war and ukraine in order to clear a lot of the territory in order to do what peter in order to frack rock get to the energy in the east. And now here we are 3 years later with a whistle blower out of the intelligence apparatus for some strange reason tries to pin all of this. Trump so because so bidens corruption is trump right thing because exactly drums desire to investigate it is who investigated because but it had the church upset with one day during a conference we also took about how we got victor show one of the prosecutors to really pick and prosecute a degenerate prosecutor general of your fire because he wanted to investigate the corruption of hunter biter and devon ouch archer and one more thing peter the kerry family Christopher Hines to all and the bidens and hunter biden a barista about 2 to 3 weeks ago so. We have ukraine gate holds around a little because the media is dominated by the people who are interested in concealing bidens corruption and theyre already turning of the tables saying forget about by this corrupt ok. In i think it was in their Foreign Policy or in some other things and she ruled that yes contra by them acted inappropriately and joe biden acted inappropriately they should have no one that if you protect you know your song who is doing business in the country that you supervised from the United States its going to come back to you well of course. The trumpet squalling. Ukrainian president asks him to investigate it and you know this is the 1st time that ive heard troops from mr trump since his Electoral Campaign in 2016 just very simply explained what has been telling us about who could go by them this is trumpeted in the media he calls the Ukrainian Government and says dont you dare prosecute if you dont fire this prosecutor. If you dont fire this procedure. Were not going to give you 2000000000. 00 in loan guarantees all of their work youre supposed to give can you imagine they did that and of course when mr trump but the problem is that this is the truth for all he ringback do z. This is how it would work but the interesting thing here glenn is that for some reason we can speculate why this is really come up in the news you know obviously its an entire gambit theres nothing new about that but as our gentleman friends here pointed out this is part of the Public Record and then whats being talked about publicly is if its news its not news its not news that they were officials from the d. N. C. Visited ukraine during the 2016 election looking for dirt on paul metaphor and they loaned it and they found it and they used it against him and he went to jail for what 4 years for something years for something that had nothing to do with russia only with ukraine but only with ukraine i mean the interesting thing is that this is a very selective view of looking backwards on what is happening we still dont talk about the coup in 2014 they dont want to talk about bidens role that he was obamas point man here and how his family benefited from it profited from it there now its. Well theyre going to have wrote a lot about this case in book come out in 2016 so no its not its not its hard to look at this i would say for the public is yes it is but theres also because. There hasnt been much interest in the media to kind of dig into this issue and especially after trying to kind of like that as well theyre very much been in the u. S. Obviously taken a very anti trump assertion so i think the rhythm only reason why this really came up because it could be argued that this was a transcription by trump because you know he dared to call the president of ukraine selinski. Pressure him in order to start in the. However and this is the scandal however again the reason this will backfire most likely is because by bringing up this issue they have affected little revealed the trump is merely asking to restart and in this the geisha which joe biden killed into his son there is no evidence that were aware of thats been reported there was a quid pro quo so thats thats the thing here again western media they do the sins of omission not commission it was i once you said to me earlier in the day is this is this a tactic to get rid of by you know we were discussing this because this is it was so obvious this was going to backfire on biden it was obvious and the democrats less they wanted this out now i can only think of 2 reasons why you have this leak and you know the whistleblower didnt even have this as direct knowledge from what we understand this came from another person to another person to that whistleblower and now the only reason to put this out into the Public Domain is to either do biden because its obvious this is going to come back and get. Why else would you do it to do real bad or to get ahead of the story now i dont think you could control it and i think that what it has to the question and he quoted it but he was quoting the video you can get away with race from it so this was just being done to the real biden and get to a war in. Candidacy i mean the real scandal you dont even you whistle boards foreseen the rate of scandal here what is the most short can about this prosecutor short in trying to prosecute over ukraine is that by then had the power to remove him in a matter of hours and by then boasted about it he has been there since you know mounted promo for that one for several years he has been called boasting about it you know victoria no one said who should be the Prime Minister of this new liberal. Nor clique right so the United States has been dictating the Ukrainian Government for all these years who they should have liked his ministers absolutely and who should that them point us prosecutor generals they have been dictating and now what does this Ukrainian Government to look like these socalled free guys who liberated some sort of russia during their 2016 campaign they were all on the side of he were clinton they gave her the materials which the stall from the party of regions about mana for its payment then in 2016 when trump won the interior minister of arc of quickly cleared out from his facebook account all of the attacks against trump and all his praise for clinton then the. General prosecutor decided odd trump has won so now i can go against these clintonite gates guy so he gave an interview to the heel of bark then merrick an ambassador in ukraine meri jaan of age who told him whom he asked the prosecutor general to probably would not touch. No the least of the untouchables and that was published in the here and now would stand on the st