Army ranger welcome to the program thank you matthew good to be with you ed thanks for having so lets jump right in 1st your reaction to this Federal Reserve cutting Interest Rates by a quarter percent does this lend credence to a coming recession lets start with you chris. Well i think the fed is clearly concerned about some type of downturn but lets face it recessions are notoriously hard to predict and if we tried to bet every time the Federal Reserve cut Interest Rates it was going to recession we have lost a lot of money im betting that way i think what is probably more correct to say is that the fed doesnt see any signs of looming inflation and they dont want they want the economy to continue to grow without it with this past off without inflation but what you will see if theres one assumption made from this is anyone who is not refinance their home in probably the last 18 months is going to get out and do it because youre not going to find much lower Interest Rates ever again robin do you agree oh i definitely agree with chriss point about refinancing im in the middle of one myself so this is good news for me not today but all joking aside i think this is a prudent move right now because there is somewhat of a slowdown when im not doing political punditry analyzing the economy and ive been seeing the prices of gold going up theres other telltale signs that theres some some confidence waning in the economy im a little bit concerned about my Party Just Getting ahead of the horse ahead of the game here and talking about recession we just need to be more careful and mindful of whats happening right now with the economy but matthew im concerned that if you notice that last democratic debate there was not one question asked about the economy which is always the paramount issue of importance to voters chris chris what do you talk a little bit inform our audience about the this level of the drop in Interest Rates whats the context of this historically is this sort of unprecedented how low the rates are or is this kind of par for the course. Well i think. The fed doesnt see any looming size of inflation so you do get concerned about some level of potential downturn at that but the cup bottom line is the reason why you drop these rates is not for it is not to bring on or to stop a recession its to continue the growth that is going on and right now weve had on personal growth going back to the end of the last administration and i think thats what the fed would like to see continue weve got on president unemployment the lowest unemployment in history for overall the most important one for africanamericans most on one for women almost on a point for spandex and i completely agree of rob and i said the same. When i as well because were going to ask you to can text your allies your answer there because i think thats i think thats really interesting then well have well have robin respond is that Unemployment Rates have been declining steadily during the Obama Administration and that decline continued in the trump and ministration and actually under the Trump Administration the rate of decline slowed a little bit so now you could argue well you can argue whether or not you could only get it all grow under but the decline has slowed so is this is this an effort to to battle what is obviously a change in the decline rate. Well no conceptually you could only get to such as to the such a level of unemployment theres only so many people can actually get to work at this point you are almost at full employment i mean some level people who are changing jobs but really its down to what we have never had unemployment this level and so i think its it is you can only get to a to a growth level where everyone is working and were almost at that point and whats great about it is because it is not just been at the highest of society youve seen wages continue to increase and youve seen unemployment go interesting to areas that have historically been not seen the same level of growth and i think everybody should be excited about that but i do want to finish the point i was making where i did where i think republicans a 2012 went out of their way to sort of point to a recession that they hoped would come that might defeat obama and elect mitt romney and i would caution i think robin is exactly right is that whenever you see that level people point to recession or trying to claim the recession is coming when frankly the economic signs dont i dont imply that to be the case it is really dangerous because you can bring one on just by bringing down Consumer Confidence robin could use speak to that and also do you agree with that analysis of the Unemployment Rate we also have the under under employment rate to consider as well. Yes and that is exactly what i was thinking matthew about that the under employment rate were more party needs to move tactically on this is to analyze the areas that we lost in 2016 the rural areas the heartland all of those democratic strongholds that we lost the union voters because their wages arent doing they have been stagnating for years and yes were seeing growth so much Economic Growth right now but if you analyze where its where it is can textually its pretty much in the top 25 democratic performing metropolis cities so my party just needs to get back on the tactical message of bringing the growth out to the heartland and Rural America and the farmers and we can both agree that the farmers right now are hurting lets shift gears for a 2nd weve got this n. B. C. Wall street journal poll that was released on wednesday that says joe biden and Elizabeth Warren both gained ground since july and this is after the last debate any surprises chris. Well its it is surprising to me how quickly Bernie Sanders the story has been dropping and i i really thought camel harris after the 1st debate would rise more than she has and shes now completely fallen off the map as well i think what you see is its become a 2 person race between joe biden and Elizabeth Warren and the question is does it remain so there is i think you really have a couple of lanes right now you have kind of the left of center moderate lane that joe biden is occupying and you have sort of the far left of center socialist line which will lose warren is occupying theres only room for one person in that socialist lane and its kind of between warren and sanders now is does biden stumble and i really believe the attacks from who in castro in the last debate helped joe biden and it probably created a situation where hes had a little bit of a false inflation a sugar high if you will and the question is is he able to maintain that and itll be interesting to see is there it does tom styer for instance and i find his campaign fascinating didnt make the last debate he will be in the next one he has Unlimited Money he has a huge list behind him a large organizational structure they can put a place in the in the in the early states is he able to go compete with joe biden and is more moderate in that for the Democratic Party line right now but i would caution anyone who makes too much analysis of a poll in september of 2015 or so to im thinking back 4 years ago p. T. S. D. There of 2019 that it probably is irrelevant to what happens when we get to iowa New Hampshire and South Carolina nevada and thats really whatever whenever theyre going to start to see this race develop more and its fast and if you look back how many times you had candidates leading and i could quote back over and over again leading at this point in the race i mean Hillary Clinton was up by about 30 points right now in 2008 and then ultimately falter and are unable to maintain that lead in that so thats i think the question to be decided is is joe biden able to maintain that strength right now it appears like he is but does that does it hold for another 3 to 4 months robin what do you think. Theres several good takeaways here 1st for the viewers specifically i want them to understand to not just. Missed the polling this go around because it was flawed before but now they can poll bay and poll cell phone numbers whereas they couldnt a few years ago so now if you look at the methodology of these polls about 2 thirds of the people contacted our by cell phone which is great news because i know that the only person in my life that still has a landline is my 96 year old grandma so i do expect the polls to be more accurate this go around now im not surprised that joe biden did better this time he didnt stumble as much he was solid i didnt see anything particularly outstanding so im a little bit surprised that Elizabeth Warren rose as much as she did but look at the numbers that shes drawing at her rallies she just drew in her biggest audience at the rally in new york city was over 20000 people which rivals the biggest trump rallies that there are so i think that shes got the enthusiasm behind her that maybe joe biden doesnt if you go back to the iowa state fair she was strong and crowds 3 times what joe biden was so i think that he might like chris said have a sugar high right now. Based off of some sympathy by by the julio castro attacks but i do expect to see maybe Elizabeth Warren running away from this want to point out too that at this point in 2008 obama was still in Single Digits so theres still some room for one of these other candidates but im not sure who so lets just pretend for a 2nd that we are advisers to the Sanders Campaign what would you advise them to do to regain their their position against war and against biden chris. You know its a tough place to be whatever you were a leader in a prior campaign and the find yourself stumbling in a new campaign i think sanders is his real challenge is you can only be an insurgent once and he kind of had that chance in 2016 i think a lot of people who who were with him in 16 have now moved over to warnings of looking for you know a younger step to generic if you will but she does of Elizabeth Warren comes off a little more reasonable and a lot of a little more energetic than i think i think sanders does and i agree with robins point about rallies and i disagree about drawing more than troubling troubles getting 68000 people in some of these rallies in the south trust me i was up against him and still going through therapy over my experiences there but. For many everything those rallies matter a lot im sorry you know go on. As you say those rallies matter a lot and he drew 20020000 in new york when the differences in 2016 trump was drawing 20000 in manchester when war starts trying those types are rallies its going to be really impressive but shes got she is getting and robert the point about how many more people she is drawing than by this i think its important to point is important it matters because it shows the enthusiasm behind her candidacy right now and frankly standards had those same level rallies in in 2016 ill never forget he had a rally the same day ted cruz did in Oklahoma City where i happen to you right now and he drew about 20000 Bernie Sanders did in his red state like on the city so but youre just not seen him an engine or that type of enthusiasm so in terms of what i would advise him it be a its it would be a tough life 31 visors right now because i think its really tough to reignite enthusiasm that you had before and you seem to have lost what do you think. Theres not a lot more than i can offer christian is pretty much nailed it here one thing that i want to point out is that Bernie Sanders isnt giving us anything that we havent heard from him before and 2016 to use the same montra even that we need its time for a Political Revolution he had that chance in 2016 he needs to at least change that slogan give us some fresh ideas and not just steal ideas from the other candidates and read them and say that hes improved upon them we need fresh ideas from him and self that would be my advice robin chris stay right there more politicking right after the break. Rush and learn. 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Welcome back to politicking on matthew cook sitting in for larry king continuing the conversation with our Political Panel they are chris wilson he was director of research and Digital Strategy for ted cruzs 2016 president ial campaign hes in Oklahoma City and in Atlanta Robin by row democratic strategist and former Obama Campaign regional field director do you guys think that donald trump is. Going to debate the next democratic nominee and should he chris. You know i dont have any insight into what the Trump Campaign would do in this situation but i would be shocked if he did not i mean dollars from what dollars trump in 2016 was a surprisingly. Agile debater and he never went in and like really knocked anybody off the stage if you will the use of metaphorically of course although him bush may have comforted pretty close figuratively but having said that i will say having worked for ted cruz who was a former National Champion and runner up in World Champion debater we really didnt expect trump to be as good as he was and you know that he is a fighter hes somebody who doesnt shy away from a head to head battle with somebody so to think that he would miss the chance to debate a joe biden or it was before and i would be shocked if he did anything other than go with and then excitedly jumped up on that stage robin what do you think. It depends matthew on who the you nominee is i would say that strategically he wants it to be joe biden and if the nominee is in fact joe biden he absolutely should debate him and would because he could probably get him off of his game and get him to stumble and make a few of these infamous gaps that he makes almost on the daily so that would be a good strategic move for him now if that nominee is Elizabeth Warren i dont know shes much more quick on her heels shes a fighter i think that his best move to teach italy and what he would ultimately do would refuse to debate her and say that hes just going to hold rallies and stead and take his message out to the American Public which would be a good message for his base just to say that hes just not giving her time but ultimately if she were the nominee i do not think that he will debate her do you guys think that joe bidens age which a lot of people talk about his energy and the gaffes that were speaking of which some people talk about that that being evidence of a lack of mental acuity is that all fair game in the 2020 alexion and i mean trump constantly refers to him as sleepy joe chris. Well theres not a big age difference between the 2 of them but its different between a primary and a general election and i would say that either way i think what went on in the Democratic Base with whom castro what he did was was completely off the table and that was should not have occurred and i think casseroles we pay a price for that but i will say i mean the most recent attack and im sure it means attack was from jimmy carter who said he could not have been president at the age of 80 that it was too big of a lift and that was back in the seventys so you can imagine what its like today and i dont think that does by any favors so i is it going to be an issue that is debated i mean it was debated with ever reagan was running it was debated when trump ran the 1st time i mean any question its going to be on the table and is it fair i mean its fair in the sense that it deals with it with mental acuity and as saluted me joe biden is kind of a mental nonmental is a gaffe machine i mean talking about making sure the record player is running for your kids is probably go i mean you had more people googling reppert record player that night than probably in the last decade and its just its you can always count on whenever biden takes the mike that is going to pop a moment in something strange is going to come out of his mouth that youre going to go and look up and walk back later and i can only imagine what his staff must feel like every time he talks and theres probably just chewing away on their nails hoping they doesnt do Something Else thats going to make them feel look silly well i guess chris just pointed out that if theres one good thing that came out of that debate its that the youth are now introduced to to vinyl again there you go rob do you agree that this is fair game to talk about his mental acuity in this fashion matthew i think its fair game and the election not just because its joe biden running i want to say that joe