Kept trying to you know. Fight a war which was not a war and in the end as i said we are the country that suffered i was the one who was always against fighting this war i never thought we should have participated in this war because pakistan had not done didnt do with 911 why were you part of this war why did we lose so many people and then we were blamed when the us could not win in afghanistan we were blamed for it which i thought was extremely on just the former u. S. Defense secretary james mattis said pakistan is the worlds most dangerous country what do you make of that well had we not participated in the american war you know after 911 we would not have been the words dangerous country by participating in the war and i repeat i was against it because you see busy eightys we were trading these mujahedeen people to do a job against the soviet when they occupied of understand so these people were trained by pakistan funded by the american cia. No a decade later when the americans are going to have honest on these same groups were all in pakistan supposed to say that no not because the americans are there its no longer job its terrorism you know it was a big contradiction and i strongly felt that you know pakistan should have been neutral because by joining in these groups turn against us so we you know we lost 70000 people we lost you know as i said over 100000000000. 00 to the economy and in the end we were blamed for the for the the americans dont see it succeeding of honest than i felt it was very unfair on pakistan do you support the americans leaving afghanistan and how we could characterize the 20 plus minus years of the americans being there the americans. Will have to of course leave understand and i think president tom wants the u. S. Soldiers to leave understand this is the tricky bit. How do the you know what is the manner of withdrawal. This dog between the americans and hopefully be a foreign government. You know that. The the whatever the political settlement. It has to be inclusive. And thats where the americans should not leave until the settlement takes place because when. The soviets left of one is the last time and sort of the americans packed up and left to kill still place i mean what happened in of of one is than the civil war that happened. And then the pakistan followed the refugee problems im afraid. You know the people of understand cannot afford a similar sort of scenario so it should be a very planned withdrawal with a settlement and of understand and that is what were all praying for President Trump announced the suspension of talks with the taliban what can pakistan day well. I guess that you this is not a lot more than pakistan can do than what it is already doing which is urging the. Only who it has influence to sit down and talk to the americans which which they have done and also talk to the of one government which they havent done as yet but the problem is. You know it was always going to be bumpy theres this thing about you know. Of fighting talk is always a very difficult proposition. I just hope that had there been a ceasefire and then talks took place it would have been much easier no deal all this bloodletting taking place and of august and at the same time these talks or what i thought were going at a pretty good. Rate they were progressing pretty well. So. I dont know whether its a temporary hiccup i pray that it is or it is you know going to impact the. In the medium long term i hope that it is just a temporary ago and the talks resume because whatever happens that people of understand want peace for 4 decades there has been bloodshed and you know we all pray that this. These talks bring in peace do you think the americans will leave i think thats what the talks would be other words if the americans did they would always be. The of on history the do not accept foreigners pakistan cleric milo now abdul as he has recently called for jihad on india previously this man has openly talked about supporting Osama Bin Laden can you say without inhibitions that this man does not speak for all of pakistan if you want to quote people like him let me just quote. A big b. This is. Minister of the biggest province u p u ps the biggest province the chief minister of the province apart from the language he used against muslims about you know how they should be thoughtless and so on. And the chief minister of the province the muslim women should be dug out of the graves and raped this is cheap minister i mean if i start ordering you know members to sort of the jew lets go to these fisk and really women i mean they get the sort of governments that are going out of writing point is i can speak for the government and i can tell you that the government this is a government of mine. We have to we immediately when we came we took a step that we will not allow any militant groups to operate from pakistan he spoke about russia playing a potential role what do you think of what he expects from russia as a good ally to both pakistan and india that historically closer to india. Yes i hope. Russia will get closer to pakistan. I had a very good job with president putin. We talked about everything under the sun and i fell and i did tell president putin that you know forget about the cold war when we were on different sides and world has changed. And. You know we should develop a new relationship and i hope you do because. You know russia the you know the manpower was in the world america russia china. And if these 3 was just. They can dissolve most of the world issues and specifically this issue which which which potentially is is the most explosive issue in the world today and if these 3 people always get together i think they can resolve it arms deals are being provided by russia to both india and pakistan is this a double standard when it comes to resolve an issue specifically as you say of kashmir well certainly the arms deals all of. A question of the barn and supply you know we shouldnt expect too much more energy when it comes to selling arms. But but you know i repeat this is very serious the school will go very wrong this conflict between pakistan india simply because you know we are 2 countries who have Nuclear Weapons and thats why i think there is a big incentive for the world to step in what is Pakistans Nuclear strategy that was recently misquoted is it no nuclear 1st strike policy or does it depend on the circumstances. Look i cant say. You know i never in my life did i ever imagine that i would have to be thinking in this terms nurit rational human being can think of a nuclear war im talking about rational. What is the government in is not rational. Its not a rational government racist fascist government or not rational who do not consider other human beings the equal what the nazis did guessing jews is not a rational thing human minds dont think like that so any. Because of this government for the 1st time i am i also think that what if i we have to have this choice you know either surrender what if you ever reach that stage country its possible one country would win one would lose but in this case what if you are left for the joys of surrender or or fight to and for a Nuclear Country to fight till death. You know would this is it as implications for everyone no one wins that war and the big pain year instance crossed ugh started to airs 10 years i think its time to shake things or maybe change the branding j. B. 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The issue of kashmir is back in the headlines this is a territory that is split between india and pakistan and has been since 1947 and numerous clashes and skirmishes has been fought there why is the issue so sensitive to pakistan its probably one of the most militarized anywhere in the world per square foot it does more security personnel that any were. There almost 900000 security personnel the. United nations reports of human rights abuse. Of torture of guns. Boys being blinded the. Political leadership is under arrest. Apparently there are some 4000 people have been picked up from kush we dont think at all. So it couldnt get any worse. What they have what theyre doing what the b. G. P. Government is doing in kashmir is not only have they violated the International Law the the United Nations resolution the other Bilateral Agreement between pakistan india similar agreement thats been violated theyve gone against their own constitution the Indian Constitution guaranteed the people in a special status that status has been taken away they have actually gone against what the Founding Fathers of india pandit nehru narrowed the 1st Prime Minister what they had promised to the people of kashmir theyve gone against that what weve. Is that. This is governed b. G. P. Government is not going to use force. We fear that there will be oppression unprecedented already as i said 370200000 kashmiris have been killed but what they are going to do now we faired that this is out of our genocide why are they why have the clampdown on media did order allow any media to get in there nothing is coming out of what is happening in the time theyve imposed this curfew and these extra. Security personnel there they did not even allow the leaders of the opposition parties to visit the dinner allow them there so what are they trying to hide. Sadly i would have expected the world to react much more than it has the United Nations rights chief called for an International Commission of inquiry to be set at almost suggest that the situation there is as bad as it was or has been in syria which is say that it could be that bad where it could it could be much worse because all we know is 8000000 people are under siege. And no. News is coming out of what is happening to these people lets just look at the beach hippie government which is doing this you would not expect in a normal democracy for a thing like that to happen but my fear is that india has been taken over by an extreme ideology the r. S. S. Ideology no for your viewers that its important to understand what is r. S. S. R. S. S. Is was a Political Party which came out in the 19 120. 00 s. Inspired by a dollar fetlar and was leading by the nazi party this party believes in in racial superiority in the racial superiority superiority of hindus it does not consider other minorities. As equal citizens this is and this is the manifesto the ideology of the Founding Fathers of our assess this r. S. S. Was an extreme organization. And as i said it believed in the final solution what hitler did to the jews. But this r. S. S. Ideology is what assassinated ma ma gandhi probably arguably indias greatest leader the freedom of the free the who played the biggest part of the freedom of india gandhi was assassinated by an r. S. S. Idealogue this recess was banned in india 3 times as a terrorist organization and unfortunately this has taken over india you see every Human Society has its extremes its liberals and then majority of moderate problem happens in a Human Society when in extreme takes over that society this is what happened when the nazis took over germany this is exactly what is happening in india right now they are being governed by this extreme ideology would does not recognize the their. Constitution International Law human rights what the promises were made by the 1st Prime Minister to the people of kashmir they dont recognize anything because they do not consider other people equal to the to their idea of. The supremacy of the hindus so this is. I fear not just for people of kashmir i fear for what is going to be happening to do almost 200000000 muslims who live in india do the christians who live in india i fear that this ideology would be in in past whenever it has taken over a country its extremely destructive but because it excludes other people its not an inclusive ideology india is a huge country 1000000000. 00 people plus taken over by this is this mindset i think it spells danger not just for marys not just for. The minorities to speak 200000000 people muslims living in india this is not a small number i believe theyre all a threat and what is happening in the future you can. Verify this the people the journalist in india you can verify what it this is not the india i knew i knew india very well i used to play cricket there this is not the india i knew and im afraid this is the world the india of nehru and gandhi the Founding Fathers of india what were talking about in kashmir is actually happening in india controlled kashmir what i understand from what youre saying is that theres a fear that thats just way the beginning and its ultimately going to spread and thats why the International Community needs to pay more urgent attention and life is that fascist racist ideology has taken over india. It specifically it is. Anti muslim. And if you read the accounts of the Founding Fathers they openly considered the muslims as who should have been. Ethically cleansed from and they believed in the racial purity of hindu and the hindu civilisation could not reach its peak because of. Hundreds of years of muslim rule they openly talk about dietrich the muslims listen im afraid the Prime Minister is that modi belongs to this r. S. S. Ideology when the good draw the riots took place i believe in 2002 he was the chief minister for 3 days the daughter in law did they allowed the these mobs of free rein to spread terror to kill thousands of muslims 100000 muslims were well made homeless so my life that this ideology would not just stop and question. I feel that they were you know pakistan is a threat they will try to dig the worlds attention from what is happening in kashmir by it diverting attention to pakistan by some sort of a false flag operation for by that i mean there were you know blame pakistan for some incident that might happen because we and divert attention by like they did before in february their tact us when some sort of took place in the kashmir they will do i fear they will do the same again india also says that whats happening in kashmir is an internal affair and and i gave an argument that supports that is that one doesnt want the International Community to engage in conflicts elsewhere what would your response been to that well if we had internal affairs if we was part of india but according to the United NationsSecurity Council resolution 1048 and there were 11 resolution its a disputed territory its. Between pakistan and india and then those resolutions give a right to the people of kashmir the right to decide their own destiny through a plebiscite selfdetermination that right was never given to them and they began to say its an internal matter whatever we are 3rd Party Mediation when for instance president trying to mediate between pakistan and india india said its a bilateral issue so when we try to talk to them this is an internal issue so i mean they have that we are going around and around these circles the fact is that. What india is doing and push weve is going to have consequences way beyond the borders of india way beyond the subcontinent because you know this is going to become a nuclear hot spot if this becomes a flashpoint of a conflict between india and pakistan this will be the 1st time that 2 Nuclear Armed countries come face to face and dissolve to the cuban crisis and this is why the world should not act they should this is a this is a disputed territory the United Nations has a responsibility to act now and its its not good enough to just make statements they clearly they have to go further than they just did and then just it means the World Community has to act and do what what do you want to see the World Community to the World Community has acted before it puts sanctions it. Put sanctions where it hurts trade i mean the but in action is not an option because this as id repeat this will have consequences this is not going to finish off. You know if we if we ignore it its not going to disappear that. At the moment the 8000000 people who are threatened by this this extreme ideology i think people would be hard pushed to disagree with you that theres a role for the International Community to play that its not stepping up to what is pakistan doing right now to actually bring relief to those people who are facing this crisis in kashmir theres nothing pakistan can do. You know theres no relief we can send the borders closed secondly the only thing we can do is approach the International Community of course we would use every Forum Human Rights we are thinking of the International Court of justice the United NationsGeneral Assembly every forum we would use we were we would knock on every door. The the problem is that no one should expect to kno