China are totally different be continue to have x. Excellent relations with both countries of course russia and china are also affected by the United States and by the eagle measures i dont call them sanctions but economic terrorism why the night it states against iran but that but the europeans have not other than making general statements in support of a ship you have not been prepared to invest in it now it is important for them to implement their commitments the reason ive been to france twice and president rouhani has been talking with president mccrone and today while im here my deputies in paris with others discussing it with the printer officials is to see how they can implement their own commitments its not about renegotiating j. C. Pewit its not about revising it but its. About implementing their political let me ask you a question about that because over the last couple of weeks youve been daring if not taunting the europeans to grow up and stop being 67 to the americans to respect International Law. Which includes formally includes the eightys yuri didnt have any facts. I dont know because im not preaching anybody im simply talking about the realities you see all of us when we went to Primary School in high school we had bullies in our class and bullies would not stop if people just look at them why did beat another student once they beat the 1st student or go to the 2nd and the 3rd and the 4th do parents must know that the appetite of the United States for breaking International Law. And wherever it served them really not stopped with casey pure as it has not now Everybody Knows just your surprise visits to the g. 7 summit at the invitation of its host the french president the man in the problem and americans very clearly im happy with that but for all the attention it got its still publicity and its a tiny little act of defiance on the part of the europeans do you think they have enough interest enough force and down to truly defy them merican will when it comes to the period and uphold that and of the deal well i can only say that thats what they need to do how they want to do it they want to convince the americans or they want to defy the americans its their decision i believe the americans will not be convinced under stacie a determination for the from the rest of the world to uphold principles of International Law as i said a bully. His appetite this simply only grow if they see lack of reaction if defensive we do not interfere in the way to your body and hearing your future to pounce on that directly and i think that one of the problem problems with the disappearing compliance is that its easy to keep tabs on the round to see what iran is doing and what its not but its much more difficult with the compliance of the west and signatures because even during the Obama Administration there were issues with implementation American Companies were wary of the geopolitical risks they bear ocracy was very complicated now the station is far more precarious how do you think the europeans can respect the deal i are expecting them to force that companies to trade with you no i dont think they can do that but they can implement their own laws because a superior was a carefully negotiated agreement 1st of all our future doesnt depend on it we will build our future or without j c people we believe that j. C. Pure is an important achievement that should not be destroyed but i think the destruction of j. C. Pewee would be a blow to diplomacy not a blow to iraq so we try but be have many other choices and over the past one year since the United States withdrew from tracy puree we have stopped below start economy we have reduced the inflation we have reduced. We have increased our growth so all day im f. Is also projecting that your economy will fall by 6 percent well it did fall it did fall but we are now recovering from that major fault it was a shock to our economy. It almost we lost quite a bit of our currency value we have recovered a 3rd of what we lost over the past. Several months so it shows that we are not putting our life we are not relying on j. C. Pure. For. Our continued Economic Prosperity we want to see this a cheap moment of diplomacy survive but if the europeans cannot do their part then we will all lose its not that they will lose we all lose including the United States its been roughly 2 months since instax this european mechanism for circumventing the american sanctions became operational and im sure the iranian leadership is eagerly watching those numbers can you tell us how much has been wired or at least how many deals made use of that mechanism i dont know of any. And its all important for me because in stakes is a european mechanism its a european attempt to circumvent as you said it isnt is that no the measure of how no area where us by its appeal for the europeans is a prerequisite to implementing their 11 commitments that they made since the u. S. Withdrawal they had a commitment a number of commitments before us withdrawal within which are independent of us behavior and they made 11 commitments after us regroup so those commitments were made with the knowledge that the United States would not will not be cooperating there is opposed to implement those commitments and thats what were negotiating about were not to go sheeting about anything else other than implementing that commitment now they need to talk to the United States well it is something that they have to take care of. Now by agreeing to the deal without the american participation iran is already taking a very substantial concession. Have you do you have any understanding of how much these deal has to deliver in terms of trade for it to be worthwhile well the american participation was not an advantage for us. Iran has lived without the United States for 40 years iran has lived in spite of the United States for 40 years in order to remove Security Council resolutions the presence of the 5 permanent members of the Security Council required so we were not eager to negotiate with the United States is was a necessity once. That. Objective was achieved for us the presence of the United States was not a major plus as you said from the very beginning even during the Obama Administration the United States was more interested in keeping the sanctions that it had not lifted than observing its obligations to lift the sanctions so this has been the case and we will never be even never. Naive about the United States i lived in the us for 30 years of follow the United States for the past 40 years so i know what im probably missing many of your interviews you stress that economic benefits is one of the tenets of this deal the economic benefits economic benefits are one of the tenets of the deed and the deed actually rests on 2 pillars not nonproliferation and normalization of economic relations but that does not require where you laid out the american participation and with active american counteraction can you gather the economic benefits of this deal not all of the economic benefits but i believe that the International Community will have to come to its senses that unless they stop this trend then the next week terms will be. Others we have other options we are least dependent you know in 2008 we suffered the least from economic from the Global Economic it crushed out because we fortunately or unfortunately have been. Basically alienated from Global Economy so we are motto is a resilient economy that can withstand pressures from outside we have been the subject of pressure for 40 years not just in the in the area of economic relations but in other areas we did not want irans relations with the rest of the world to be governed by Security Council resolutions and it and now its not governed if anything the rest of the world are obliged under Security Council resolution to normalize the economic relations with iraq and in order to get that we needed the United States to be a part we are not naive about the rest of the world we are not naive about the influence of u. S. Economy but let me tell you one thing insistence of the United States on the weaponization of that of the dollar under weaponization of the economy in order to wage war against others will lead to its demise excessive use of any means of power will eventually lead to his demise now we see the United States is using the same measure against china the same measure against russia not maybe as intensively not maybe without as much vengeance but the same type of measures are being used against china against russia it gainst others this will be to de not not tomorrow but to the eventual decline of u. S. Economic model and well minister let me stop you for a moment we have to take a short break now but well be back in just a few moments. Stage yet. Such a stress to. This or that the british wasnt at the bowl of bullshit out that you had the most to. Stop the show so youll see that the statistic is easy to see which quote or shall. Go to which you dont have one thing and look what youve seen the Member States get your career limits for shit. Or to go to the source of your my its your bonus for c. B. S. To give. It to mr ellsworth supporters argue with them direct your spirit or does it seem to be arguable at least that its a studio actually of course in the pursuit of the vocals or should stop them spinning. Expressed. To me. Like. A. Welcome back to worlds apart thread irans Point Affairs minister about saudi this or just before the break we were talking about american bullying as you put it and irans response to u. S. Pressure historically has been a counter threat related to the strait of hormuz and the freedom of navigation there. Oh which i think theyre americans are now trying to negate even theoretically by putting together a group of countries that would do the maritime patrols of the persian gulf what do you think about this initiative well the persian gulf and straight a whole most narrow bodies of water increasing military presence in in this narrow body of water will not increase its security if anything it will increase in security iran has 1500 miles of coastline on the persian gulf about the same in the sea obama and controls the northern part of strait of hormuz so without iran you cannot have security and certainly you will have tension if you bring naval for tellers to the persian gulf in order to attack iran or in order to threaten iran reduce a force this will increase in security freedom of navigation like any other issue of International Law and international relations. Is a plausible commodity you cannot have freedom of navigation in the strait a would move and not freedom of navigation in the suez canal or the strait of gibraltar all of this are together and the danger with us why the asians the International Law is that its destroying International Law in general. All the countries that have so far subscribed to this initiative are close u. S. Allies there are some reports that israel and potentially even saudi arabia have interest in this proposition do you think the United States can go beyond insuring just the freedom of navigation and use this initiative as a and forcing mechanism for the american sanctions do you have any concerns about being locked physically locked within the sea of a man no we wont be physically blocked because if it comes to that we have the greatest power in the region we are the coastal states no no amount of foreign firepower that comes through this region will be able to change that change only at insecurity but theres usually the passage is a very narrow can they block you know they can be not engaged in a threat to block them the issue is Freedom Freedom of navigation. Energy security should be put everybody you cannot pick and choose who can be benefiting from freedom of navigation from Energy Security who carol well that leads me to my next question perfectly because freedom of navigation is pressing not only in the strait of hormuz but also in the South China Sea and just the other day india together with germany france and the u. K. A voice there and these over the chinese poster there the iranian government has never been too straightforward about its position on the issue. You consider the South China Sea part of the Global Commons well we respect the position of china and we have always wanted. To see stability and tranquility in the South China Sea but we believe stability and tranquility in the South China Sea cannot be achieved at the expense of china as the stability and security in the persian gulf and see a woman cannot be achieved at the expense of iraq i sense some equivocation in your response minister and yet as he just sad freedom of navigation is a global come on to commodity im sure you genuinely believe that after your interactions unpleasant maritime interactions with a with the brits do you take those few incidents with the seizure of oil tankers as a sort of i want off. Event or do you think that perhaps is there is a new trend in global trade no unfortunately i see that as a u. S. Attempt to make dont buy big ation a one sided commodity and to deprive iran of that i see i see the seizure of our ship in gibraltar as a clear case of piracy because it was quite clearly and quickly resolved. It was resolved through a great deal of diplomatic efforts and other efforts weve made it clear if the United States. Uses its economic influence with other countries to deprive iran of selling its or officially and transparently reviews all other methods to sell our oil because the United States is committing an act of aggression and not the warfare against iran by preventing our traditional customers to buy oil from us and that does not mean we will simply succumb to u. S. Press. Historically the United States has tried to deprive us of the means of defense we built on missiles it tried to prevent us from having access to nuclear fuel we build our own nuclear fuel now its trying to prevent us from selling our oil we will set out oil one way or the other and the United States will not be able to prevent that but we see an attempt by the United States and the seizure of our ship in gibraltar was not in response to e. U. Sanctions but it was in response to u. S. Pressure and if you dont believe me look at the tweet by ambassador bolton he said that this was the best 4th of july presents a president that the that the United Kingdom could have given to the United States so its clear that it was done under request of the United States since its release the United States has been interfering with freedom of navigation as for interfering with the selling of iranian oil which is perfectly legal actually it is required we are we should be selling our own not that the International Law is silent about it Security Council resolution. Requires others to work with us for economic normalization so the United States is just like a bully trying to prevent others from respecting the law minister with all due respect thats not a new development is it i mean thats pretty nice and the way the United States has been behaving for many decades is just a little bit more transparent with donald trump and let me ask specifically a question about him because youve described your style of policy in diplomacy rather as the pursuit of constructive engagement do you believe that donald trump could be in gauged constructively in his own very special way but could be leveraged in the way that would deliver the results that you would find beneficial for your country. As a diplomat i cannot rule out diplomacy. I have to work for Diplomatic Solutions its my job and i will continue to try but what i can say is there is a negotiating table we are at that negotiating table with 5 other important countries. P 4 plus germany the European Union the United States decided to leave that negotiating but im not asking you only about the nuclear deal you have this very interesting phrase that you like repeating about the proposed new and aggression pact that you sat iran is eager to sign with all its neighbors and you said several times that a known aggression pact cant trump reliance on extraneous actors and this is where President Trump may actually agree with you because under his command the u. S. Navy is no longer looking into men taining its Carrier Strike capabilities in the gulf on a full time basis there is some. Roof room for agreement there do you think that could be elaborate. Well as i said the negotiating table is this is a ticket to get to that to go sheeting tapert and thats for compliance with j c p o a now we spend a lot of time negotiating that we have already said that we are ready i mean we put the suggestion on persian gulf security under table a long time ago i made that suggestion repeated that suggestion here in moscow during a conference a couple of years busy ago and im very happy that russia has taken up that suggestion and is now proposing a Major Initiative by russia which is very close to our thinking about the future of security in our region so these are these are all possibilities but we would never negotiate under pressure we will never negotiate with the knowledge that the outcome of those negotiations will only last for one presidency and the other i think there have been some reports in the media that. You mean that perhaps not negotiate and the pressure but you may reach out even though most hostile enemies there have been some reports that during your recent trip to kuwait you. Brought some proposal for the saudis including a proposal for an unknown aggression pact is that true well the nonaggression pact has been on the table for all our neighbors in the persian gulf including saudi arabia and including the rest of them they would negotiate with them off terror or we obviously be that hesitation we will i mean we have no absolutely no problem discussing security in our region with the saudis what exactly within the nonaggression pact with the saudis look like because it crankily involved in a number of proxy conflicts with them and its not only about attack iran and riyadh but also many nonstate actors in your vision. Of that document would those nonstate actors also be included it would include any coalition against one another that would mean saudi arabia should not be a part of a coalition against iran and iran would not be a part of any coalition against saudi arabia we will not take aggressive measures against saudi arabia and they should not take against us they should all support any terrorist organization unfortunately they are supporting many terrorist organizations many separatist organization we should resolve our problems peacefully we should try to help each other in resolving regional problems we proposed to saudi arabia 6 years ago that we resolve the syrian problem peacefully we proposed to saudi arabia 6 years ago and again 4 years ago to resolve the problem in yemen politically unfortunately daily life fully on the United States and they believe they can fight their wars with iran until the last american soldier this wouldnt turn to the United States is no longer willing to go all of it at that so that brings us back to the to the issue and to the now i think that all trump i think that could call connective rearrangement in our region would be extremely important for. Bringing people to the negotiating table as soon as. People in our region realize that they cannot buy security from outside they can buy a lot of weapons and donald trump will be too happy sending them a lot of buttons but i do not think as you correctly pointed out donald trump will be prepared to spare the lives of americans in order to fight their wars and as soon as they realize that they come to the negotiating table and they will negotiate not they will succumb we do not want anybody to succumb to pressure we believe that the era of hell germany in the at the global level and at the region on level its got saudi arabia in my view is still interested in her germany. Its briberies incite the region and not limited to iraq i mean iran is not involved in north africa were not in the bia were not in the sudan where saudi arabia is there because its seeking catchment its seeking to germany in yemen that is why behalf just war going on even between saudi allies in yemen that mentality has to changed too. Necessary changes no but you could have had germany into teaching you come out while your security problem outside i think with that cognitive transmission in saudi arabia we cant have peace and i understand the same applies to iran as well of course of course if i say that there can be no hedger monic power in the region i mean iran what we understand we do not want to exclude saudi arabia or probably egypt is from saudi arabia that has tried ever over and over again to exclude iraq and the reason you have this problem in the region is just obsession that they can exclude you from anywhere in the region that will never happen i think the sooner our saudi neighbors come to the realization that they need to live for ever with their neighbors in the region the sooner we can have a good dialogue a reasonable dialogue i believe a successful while mr have to live there thank you very much it was good to be with you and thank you for your question and courage of yours to keep this conversation going in our social media pages. 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