Democratic well on the one hand in the context that britain is a parliamentary democracy yes you could make that argument but on the other hand a Prime Minister in the u. K. Has the power to suspend parliament also the deadlock the impasse over brets has to be broken because it is an excess it will be good for the u. K. Economy to go into 2020 with direct sit still lingering and let me at this is well regarded in the politicians at westminster who are claiming both for instance is that in an undemocratic wait this is what i say to them and indeed once parliaments returns from the summer recess i will be saying in this to them to the ones in the house of lords labor and conservative career shes in the Prime Minister being undemocratic well what dont desart see they have because members of the house of lords have not been elected they are appointed to minister to. The house of commons her cheese and all stance on it being undemocratic i say this to them when they took their seats in the commons they swore an oath of allegiance to the queen well excuse me the heads of the british states the queen has not been elected so. This argument always johnson is action in an undemocratic way can be turned on the very people who are choosing it. And secondly glenn glenn i mean one also i mean again irrespective of you like Boris Johnsons tactics i will even agree there a bit devious ok but its within the bounds of blogs and tradition here and war and its as mark is quite correctly pointed out in his claim to scalps Prime Ministers Boris Johnson now is and i think hes saying the people voted for briggs and im here to implement it because the last 2 were not were ill and unable or unwilling to do it and he is doing the peoples will ok has nothing to do with circumventing democracy no well they are claiming that this does not have the time and i think the with brakes it i dont believe so i do think its going to come out of politics is synonymous with you know devious ok i think thats fair you know but it is a good question whether or not this is the democratic because what is effectively doing now is the sidelining of parliament because the parliament is trying to undermine or reverse a referendum so the same parliament couldnt decide on how to move forward another of enough of this argument i mean they cant move it forward ok weve proven that to astoria so may i wonder if shes out with Hillary Clinton in the in the woods taking a walk ok something has to be done and i think thats where this problem us always have the same root as the people voted for bricks it however parliament was overwhelmingly remain so this is where yes mark is correct this britain is a parliamentary democracy that is usually sovereignty rests with Parliament However in a referendum you hand over sovereignty to the people you allow them to make this issue but when they made the wrong decision the parliament decided to take a rocket to take back control whether for or against bracks it but you have to recognise a bit controversial to take back that. Making in words or stones and i was trying to essentially kind of parliament because theyre trying to. Overturn the law but the parliament had its chance to Prime Ministers have their chance well i think its just a travesty when people vote at the referendum 3 years have passed and nothing has been done and then in order to feel the will of the people to feel the referendum the parliament has been suspended so i just had a look before coming here there were quite an article by Boris Johnson for the telegraph that he parent on june the 30th this year object into putins criticism of liberalism and their article is hard line prove why they were put in the wrong by leaving the you by october 31st i think according to the news the telegraph should redefine this line yes we will prove what you are putting the right by suspending the parliament until october the 14th and just one cold from this article from Boris Johnson ovadia mueller but there are some countries where capitalism is believed to be in the hands of all the gods and very few who are doing this job in short and the liberal values are derided well we can respond to that that there is a country where referendums are not full field where for years the destiny of not fulfil 20 years where the destiny of the general elected parliament is in the hands of an individual with fluffy hair who was not elected by the general who and were actively doing this ive been handed ive been actually it turns for preseason from Foreign Embassy its where they take the future lead to good advertising to that article ok let me go back to marcus one of the interesting things there is there is still time i guess or support in total about 5 sitting days for parliament to actually do something to react legally i mean either they have to get a new new law or a new government both their very own. Likely here the interesting thing is is how is brussels particularly germans reacting to this because they have believed all along that thered be as either a 2nd referendum or article 50 would be revoked ok but now they have to sit up straight and listen to Boris Johnson because if hes putting it out there a deal is still possible though its rather unlikely but its incumbent upon the europeans now to face up to the tactic to if theyve been using is not coming to fruition and its not going to work out the way they want it what about this european angle go ahead marcus. Well i am no friends to the European Union you mean i either have to bear it but i have to be fair there is nothing else the European Union can do the European Union and so hes made. Up a withdrawal agreements it wasnt Great Britain wasnt that it was ok and british industry and British Business said so so there is nothing else that rustles can do the ball is firmly in the cold all of london out boyish johnsons survival as Prime Minister depends solely ready on delivering breaths it by on the 31st of october he will script it he was propelled to power by the brits if he is in the conservative party if he does not deliver grex it then they will bring him down so i cannot save how bush johnson will secure a deal with the European Union it is now more than likely that britain will exit the European Union theres no deal with the main issue is the irish backs up back out and now he is not going to give any more concessions on that i understand that but boys johnson is not going to give any concessions on that one of the races is because if he gave a concession on the irish backstop that he risks losing the support of the day he paid in the commons and added one way one way the opposition could bring down the conservative government or starts and is holding up well its of no consequence because as it stands now the government would win because thats handed the pm pays well i want to say what i want to say with the european angle here glenn but even what do you think the possibilities are because i think there is a you know theres a little bit of room there when on this point i would disagree slightly with marcus because i dont think the backs of their oh my. Theresa may was particularly good so i thought it was voted down 3 times for good reason for good reasons and part of the reason this ones britain said ok well take no deal of the table and parliament affectively commit itself to were going to block it no matter what that sent a very clear signal to the e. U. Which is you know now its either we can either give them a deal an awful deal or no deal or not necessarily on day one of the deal that works more in the use favor so obviously in berlin and brussels now they have the impression you know brics its not going to go through at least no deal because parliament will find a way to stop it so i think miscalculated well you know they didnt you know. But im not sure at all so i think. Theyre panicking a bit more now because if that this is a language sort of example theyre more willing to try to find some compromise but where i would agree with marcus of course is that the u. S. Has boxed itself in a little bit as well because theyve been insisting that there is no way to compromise over ireland or there can be a company other deal and essentially they all that if there is going to be deal may go to him if there is going to be a deal i say the ball is in the European Court right well i think its again chicken coming home to roost you know the e. U. Has been using brutal tempted with so many countries until now and it always worked out so theyre so used to not having a compromise that it would be the 1st time in many years of the other guy to blink exactly and thats what the 0 writes in their comment they write that the e. U. Has got so used to having the other side blinking 1st that theyre simply unable to compromise maybe johnsons brutal strategy may. Be making the europeans over the variance again im quoting here ok here is what the u. K. To play their bread should be all that terrible. Thats a deal in return for a trade arrangement well basically you know what it reminds me it reminds me of the situation before the ukrainian civil war how it was basically brought to the point of civil war by the new because of the whole problem voice on that note they were going to go to a short break and after that short break well continue our discussion on some real news staying with us. During the Great Depression which im old enough to remember there was most of my family were unemployed working class there wasnt it was bed you know much worse objective listen today but there was an expectation that things were going to get better. There was a real sense of hopefulness there isnt today todays america was shaped by the turn principles of concentration of wealth and power. Reduced democracy attack solo down engineer elections manufacture consent and other principles according to no on chomsky one set of rules for the rich opposite set of rules for. 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Ok glenn in my introduction the start of the program i talked about the saga of briggs it now we have the saga of russia get what is with russia gate now because we have the moeller report no collusion ok we but it still has a life of its own and it doesnt seem to be going away what accounts for the. Well this question also is much like the exit thats been going on now for almost 3 years and it doesnt seem to go away even after the mother of pretty much disappeared from the news keep in mind he was the hero of the resistance he was going to bring everyone in handcuffs and now we see this isnt really panning out to know he suddenly disappeared so why are they Still Holding on to it i think because its been almost 3 years now and the they decided to completely go after that into challenges policies there so thats their biggest mistake they just went after him and what was the main thing or well hes an agent of the kremlin now. So effective it will have to go against the resistance focused on him being a russian i just wrote this fall in line everyone has bought into this the problem is were not tough enough on russia you cant sit down with them so essentially criminalizing diplomacy and out it all again they will put themselves in this one position even though it turns out all of the story was a flop how do you reverse 3 years ago is a month and so i have said that on this program so many times we go to markets is that you know when you sometimes its impossible to take back words that you say because you say you said with such force and you just dont want to admit that you were wrong i mean the interesting thing here is that you you have jim comi the former f. B. I. Director essential given a slap on the wrist and his. Associates around him may not be as lucky because we have more investigation into the investigators but the remarkable thing is is that you have the assistant director of the f. B. I. And you mccabe hes under investigation right now hes a contributor at c. N. N. But you know James Clapper is others are our contributors with the Mainstream Media we continue want to continue to want to control the narrative in a fact free environment go ahead marcus. Well hostility towards russia suspicion off russian racism towards russians hasnt been going on for free its its been going on in the west for hundreds hundreds of years if you have a look at hand sought which records all the discussions in the house of commons in the house and in the house of the rules if you go back to the 1600s to the 17 and its the 1800 its almost identical to the language thats coming out from westminster today about russia indeed if you go back to america and see what was being said about soviet russia in the 1920 s. And ninetys 1st season in the nonsecure states in the 1960 s. Once again its almost identical to whats coming out of americans a day concert in russia now the guards in George Bush Jr barack obama and donald trump with those 3 individuals sincere when they said they wanted to improve relations you know what we dont know we really dont know what we do know is this that today in 2019 because of lead to me a clue things lead ship with russia is a certain a power game gosh it is a resurgent force and americans know in washington that russia is not just the only country capable in the wells of literally destroying america problems russia is capable of limits in american expansionism or defeat an american aggression therefore what we have seen in the last few years is just simply a continuation of great power riflery between america and russia and remember american generals and the hopes of support and be the conservatives on the liberals on capitol hill they need an enemy you dont actually have thats the point that the friends budgets you know its just like place in one place or the number of hours ago infants or concerts from or back to country today. Well thats just. Then. But i think i think there is also another element here demon is that this is a form of projection everything that they say russia is doing in the world they are doing the misnomer and i think thats the the its the inability to any kind of self reflection i mean we saw this with the political classes in the media as a result of the 2016 election president ial brags it will go to mars also in the u. K. I mean this is just a glorified form of projection marcus is absolutely right it justifies the Defense Budget so theres a material end of it but theres a theres a deep psychological thing because you project all of the negative things that you were doing under someone else absolutely. I think now its march towards the end in the 19th century or even during that time so because all the differences in the great theres a you know we have to define our terms great power politics you know thats up time in memoriam no but now its being beyond what ideological ideology being weaponized because of the star and one of the great powers namely that the states and the tool of the great polish believe that they represent a very progressive fide order that is destined to win that has proven itself to be better than anything seen before theyre basically acting like the soviet union you know you the century and then fall of the enduring legacy of russia just days ago again the line in the guardian russian how close ally target to order to gain in 2000 claim to be and i was xander you find out about it and you know what is interesting is that there is a brand and santa for justice which is provide which is iranian and election reform at the state and here is a quote from one of their experts or because the afford it will be a critical state in 2020 and 40 the Election Officials should assume they will be targeted to gain. Said larry norden who professionally runs this Election Reform Program but for our viewers there is no evidence that was a need meddling absolutely mentally and florida election 2000 austine i would i would i would refer our listeners our viewers to just a great conversation between Glenn Greenwald and our own martin on you tube the great its always a great zone good grades on and in that you know that is how the wind very rightly rush to get skeptics vindicated but conspiracy theorist on russia gate our reward it let me remind our listeners that the New York Times 2 Pulitzer Prizes for something that you actually write in a bold can be doing trump and russia something very well you know existed if you wish youd take a look at google it about the the youre answering editorial just one fact just an interesting fact in this conversation between greenwald and our own mike there 15 former u. S. Intelligence officials are now working as analysts at c. N. N. And ice and b. C. Not only James Clapper who you rightly said is now hired by c. N. N. Also also will. Keep all sort you know talking about previous experiences Jeffrey Goldberg who was very important in spreading of the law that led to t