And thats how i see the European Union meeting donald trump in france go ahead alex well well i think thats actually had thats very good because hubris is of course the when you have this overwhelming sense of pride which makes you aspire to more than you really can all should be and invite nemesis down upon yourself star see this is when you cant actually shift because you are in such a divine position that there is no real possibility of movement it is a condition that exists within states or indeed within a law and says and i think that actually describes very well the situation with the g. 7 because on the one hand or at least with the european part of the g 7 because on the one hand they call it excepts that they doing anything wrong in International Affairs even though they see the United States is gradually drifting away from them and you are absolutely right to say the personalize. All around donald trump is a huge mistake there are deeper reasons why this is happening at the same time they cant really shift their own paula says to just because they are so divided amongst themselves on so many issues that they cant really come up with. And a good example very briefly is relations with russia some are talking about improving relations with russia macross says that but when it comes to taking any step at all even the token one of readmitting russia to the g 8 they cant bring themselves. To divide the hubris of that alexander me curious is that no ones even asked of russia 100 join the newly reformed ga but maybe well talk about that another time here in glen it seems to me and in many ways looking at the characters. At the summit here the European Union is stuck in 2014 i mean you know this whole issue of bringing up russia which kind of surprised me ok. Obviously the United States is not thinking about its relationship with its european allies its looking at what its doing and what it should do or shouldnt do with china and we have this whole steve bannan concept again of trying to bring russia into the fold which i think that train has left the station years ago again it shows the blindness and the the arrogance of western political elites who are so 2014 it seems to me theyre stuck there and they cant move away from it. I think thats what i would sound there is some risk quite well. The recognize something is wrong smoke around pointed out that if you create a europe without russia it pretty much automatically becomes a europe against russia as weve seen with this continuous expansion of europe more or less maintains its there are some relations so something has to give. And i guess. Going back and trying to undo all the things weve done wrong since the ninetys is of course very challenging especially for institutions such as the e. U. Wish doesnt really have much capacity to to change its course it is significant you have the capacity to learn im sorry to say the obvious you know good comment because the the g 7 or g 8 its quite a pointless organizations to begin with because if you want to really deal with the pressing issues of the world you need china and russia so this should really make it a g 9 than if. It was right but thats assuming that they even want to join Something Like that they dont they dont because its the palace to let me go to team here. Were kind of in agreement here that the the e. U. Members of the g 7 that are in the e. U. Theyre stuck in 2014 is it because they cant admit that they were wrong about so many things well the problem is that the United States and the you cannot meet and that they were all on anything you know they vote exclude b. Roll you know because they. Dont know radicals but not is not its not. Ideology is not wrong you know its just bad person its you know bad characters who make it malfunction but its not just you know ukraine and russia its not just crania take a more obvious issue here that you know the Congress Passed their bipartisan resolution requiring and american involvement but trumping can you still follow the money. And obscene to saudi arabia even though now it becomes apparent that the United Arab Emirates are leaving you know they theyve basically destroyed the country you know there is and you will see what was going on now between the sultan yemeni separatists and the process would you go into in yemen so that country was ruined the quote response there is a reaction but drama continues to ignore it and on russia you know a super rashis warse then the war in yemen you know or russia they made it a lot you know that these sanctions will be there from cannot ignore them so russia is seen as something even more evil than the war yet at the same time let me go back to london here but i think theres a there is a least among realist in looking and whats going on in the world and so much is going on that the western media ignores partly because its more entertained by either supporting or trashing trump is that the the you cannot solve many of these worlds problems without russia being at the table and i think that this goes back to my question to demon bob which is that they can admit they were wrong about that and they said that and this is whats really causing the deadlock here in such hubris were going back to the word hubris go ahead alex in line yes well this well this is exactly right i mean the workroom made this extraordinary speech after the g. 7 and of course it builds on some of the comments he made in a press conference he had when he. Did just before the g 7 in which he said you know that russia is a european country russia soldiers in europe driving russia away would be a strategic mistake it would weaken the west it would create conflict there but then when it comes to. Actually proposing anything he comes out with nothing at all it is doing. Who are supposed to change the. Policy is to somehow reconcile themselves to your firm with your account with that in and the euro be part of the club but thats not going to happen ok do you want to well the problem with mark wrong is that he says all the right things and then he behaves you know in the wrong way what do you how do you account for the well he accused the ultra liberals and for all of them allies that led french to become available vests but he is the ultra liberal some self you know no hes talking about pushing russia out of europe and it being a mistake he was divonne who said our sport think were not media he basically you know aggression the french journalist you said the following they these people they imitate your 4 months but theyre not you theyre not going to so this sort of new new racism when youre basically deny the credentials of your opponents you know you are journalist you are not citizen so you can be destroyed but the problem is that again facts are against these western idea which is take you crean you know ok were stuck in 2014 the president whom they brought to power in 2014 by illegal means you know by actually an armed coup he lost the election and lost it in a humiliating way the media can movie and you know hes a go home and theres no leave and you know absolutely disgraced aided by the people and they pretend not to notice its only putin who attacked the ukraine you know where next crimea in among the in the European Countries are probably 70 i mean is this a crisis of leadership. Well there is no real leadership i guess what i noted lack of leadership but i think they also boxed himself in to some extent because they even much identifies itself as being this community of values soon as you link all your Foreign Policy issues towards values and some any dissent can be shamed. Piece meant or betraying you know the virtuous or the great values they hold so its so i guess from the perspective they have box of stuff in water what can you really do when you. When russia said well what happened in ukraine most effectively you know your its been expanding to our borders at some point we have to react and this was the reaction instead of addressing this issues how we see europe set up where is our conflicting interests how can we find a compromise of National Interest essentially saying no no this was you know good versus bad and the way you know you have peace is if good defeats or evil its a 0 sum game you know you go back to alexander make your its in london last minute for this part of the program here i mean dont you think that brussels within the context of g 7 theyre afraid of a reproach more between the United States in russia because in the European Union find itself squeezed and even more irrelevant the last 40 seconds to. Absolutely that he sticks i think that hes very much a fear we saw that very evidently last year when it will close in the run up to the putin grant summit in helsinki part of the reasons for reaching out to russia at the moment is because theyre afraid that if they dont the United States will go go back to what glenn said i mean the fact that they have this value Foreign Policy that doesnt give them flexibility its exactly the point of stassi that you made at the start of the Program Starts this is when you cant do is stop you cant move and they can move well im really glad i chose 2 words agreed to they know to start their Program India in the 1st of the breakup. Were going to go to a quick break gentlemen after a short break well continue our discussion on some real news stay with our team. Said she stressed to. This or that the british edible a bunch up that was a terrible. Job was to you she didnt taste of taste good to see you say so i pushed. 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Most people think to stand out in this business you need to be the 1st one on top of the story or the person with the loudest voice of the biggest raid in truth to stand out in the News Business you just need to ask the right questions and demand the right answer. Question. Welcome back to cross talk where all things are considered im Peter Lavelle to remind you were discussing some real news. Ok glenn lets switch gears slightly here because we had during the g 7 we had president mccrone inviting the Iranian Foreign minister to be on the periphery which is interesting in itself it shows the difference that france and other European Countries in the g 7 collectively. Have opposed to the American AdministrationDonald Trumps maximum pressure what does that mean to you in what its mccrone trying to do it looks like its some kind of leadership bid since Everything Else hes done in his presidency has failed why should we assume that this might but this is an opening in going to talk about how the israelis and the saudis are reacting to it. I think it was a good move by i that i was afraid or for several reasons for one. I guess iran represents the most irrational component of trumps Foreign Policy the most hawkish and it doesnt really go anywhere so i guess finding a way for america to. Bring them back a bit i think it would be a Good Opportunity but also because their appeals have committed to staying with the Nuclear Agreement if america can backtrack a bit perhaps you know the west could come together so i think it was a very good move and furthermore i guess the 3rd argument would be that. Everyones more or less recognizing that the campaign against iran now seems to be failing i mean syria the syrian war seems to be over yemen is taking a turning point now that the United Arab Emirates and the saudis are seem to be splitting up in the campaign against them and. Know that worry the israelis say that they might get involved in here again. This wall it doesnt seem that they run as can be intimidated in terms of you know seizing their time. They retaliate against the british so essentially there is a huge push back from iran so this maximum pressure is failing so trying to find a way of sort of the interesting thing to me is that we considering the huge difference between the europeans or the Trump Administration on iran its the European Union is actually hoping the trumpet ministration find a way out of this of this policy that is dead and policy that it is not effective and its not well thought out because what they dont have an option this is bad Foreign Policy when you never give yourself an option and it can only be one way and that way is feeling go ahead in a way of course. Was a challenge to the United States because the United States had important personal sanctions on syria just the foreign in the week or 2 weeks before the summit. That general trend western policy is this demonization of you know and this is very typical for the United States but for the European Union also what kind of logical to work out with the Washington Post about the g. 7 what does trump see in a week thats had like so the only problem with the Washington Post saw in this summit was that drama didnt insult putin you know this is unheard of in Human History but are required to be rude to you know the media is is absolutely required and then you know it really its kind of akin to tells the governor meeting with assad you meet her hero so im going. To talking to what does it lead to be your adversary me the good person that right this is you know you are substory you know its just awful and i cant even think about parallel in Human History you know soviet braswell not suppressed or subservience you know the greed with their leaders but they didnt push for war you know do you mind doing that they relieved us have. With us and the e. U. Is also they also have their disease and the mccormick await it expressed itself in this confrontation between marco on and the brazilian president both an hour or you know when both an oral was impolite about macross wife why because microbrewery the brazilian forest fires at the top of the g. 7 a and brazil was not invited so what was the only answer that. I call the brazilians will get a new president who will be paid for her visit i guess the whole this whole program is about hubris here why does that why does the french president have to talk about whos going to be president of brazil its just you know they way they all find an audience us remove fortin you know executives. Have a new president in brazil have a new president given this is just unhinged lingo to alexander make yours in london this is interesting here giving the us some kind about it mean theres also talks about. Waving away the waivers for under certain circumstances i mean so somehow moving forward but this gets to the kind of the the heart of the trumpet administrations policy towards iran i mean to what degree is it really hostile to its israeli partners and the lobby because we had an unprecedented poor countries israel striking in rapid succession attacking iraq which even the pentagon came out and said we didnt have anything to do with that which of course and they said the pentagon made an interesting comment about paraphrasing here protecting iraqi democracy which of course is to kind of point point a finger at the israelis because they always say theyre the only democracy in the region here i mean its the to what degree is tribe really beholden taoiseach going into reelection to israel because hes done everything they wanted but the pentagon is saying whoa whoa you got to step back here because it will violate the promise of the promise that trump has made of not going into another conflict is the hostage to tel aviv go ahead. Well this is a this is all very good because this is a very astute points because what of course is happening is that donald trump has done all the things that hes really. Their supporters in the United States wanted him to do with iran hes confident hes got himself into a confrontation with iran which as was correctly said previously is not succeeding the iranians are not buckling the walls in syria and yemen are going badly blockade of the persian gulf has not really worked i mean you know in the chinese are still buying or oil from iran and the iranians are still able to take seize because in retaliation to the seizure of their own tankers so he has got to try and find some way out of the situation but of course from Benjamin Netanyahu support to view that would be a catastrophe prosch more between the United States and iran is almost the worst possible nightmare as is good faith as hes facing the electorate ok and if you know exactly youre not not not i would stress because iran is a threat to israel but because a rap prosch more clearly undercuts everything that that netanyahu has been saying up to now right reza origin of this war it interests then the then th