A long long line cameron before blair before him we weve all seen whats happened. Since the 2nd world war with the moving away from the welfare state that the attlee government put in place over the safe war towards more and more and more dependence upon the United States. With the Nuclear Submarine bases and scotland and so on and so on and so forth so we know that we are under the thumb while we the british people need to get out from under the thumb and say no this is wrong this is illegal this is a journalist and anybody who says no hes not a german yes he is all you need to be to be a journalist is somebody who has access to a press they used to be Printing Presses back in the day when the laws were written now its access to the internet or anything where you give information to your fellow citizens of the world and information doesnt matter what it is but the most Important Information that we judy in the sunshine is fellow citizens of the globe nate is information about this secret malfeasance and wrongdoing of all governments which legend. And julian a song which along with Chelsea Manning and Edward Snowden and the other whistle blows down the years of the heroes who help us to gain some of the knowledge that the powers that be would keep secret if they could this is in countries that call themselves democracy is where the government is supposed to be for the people not for the corporations not for donald trump not for the abrams not for my pants not for pompeo not for the rest of those rabbit down a moles who are in charge of everything but food we the people just to be clear obviously so we can lease doesnt sue was obviously that there were never any charges in sweden just allegations but they you call him a journalist why do you think so many journalists are attacking julian a surgeon is it a coincidence that those journalists often like the European Union in the jump administration also say support the overthrow of the venezuelan government theres a intersection why journalists attacking shootin and saying hes not a journalist why does so many journalists buy the narrative if that in venezuela which you just mentioned for instance that my doro is a vicious dictator and the people are big and blah and buy the story to keep their jobs thats why. Because if they express opinions that go against the narrative of the powers the a. Word filters down in one way or another they suddenly find that theyre not getting the plum job theyre not getting the promotion they know getting that your job is on the line if you stand up to them im guessing obviously i dont know some of them may just be so dumb that they come on figure out the truth. He could legs him from a ship in from sources which he protects he sometimes helps those sources to collect information or knowledge and then he publishes the information that gets if he believes it to be real and true and in the Public Interest for him to publish it and hes not a journalist what is he then what is june in the sun should hes not im a youre a journalist all of us this is journalism we are trying to find out the truth about things and. No explain it to the public but to make it a vailable to the Public School freedom of information and it is absolutely central to the working of any healthy form of government including democracies and is what theyre trying to prevent because they dont want the secrets to come out they want to keep everything secret they go want us to know about their methods of torture or their incarceration of in some people all thats why theyre going off to june in a son because he is a thorn in their side also what theyre trying to do trump and the rest of them and to raise them a is theyre trying to frighten would be chewed in a sun jeez who may provide this incredibly Important Service for the rest of us in society in the future that trying to scare them off so they wont do it theyre trying to make an example of julian a sausage rather than doing what the u. S. Just done on told yesterday and give him awards for telling the truth for blowing the whistle judy julian as the released unconventional regime change policy documents from the United States obvious the secret plans to destroy syria little in the more famous us will crimes in iraq a connection between all of these documents the wiki leaks distributed and how come you realize all of this when say as regards venezuela policy Richard Branson the live aid concert do support us in the you policy why do you know and people like branson to bronsons not enter branson is not interested in the reality branson is interested in candyfloss and branson he doesnt care about politics in my view he. Couldnt care less hes interested in making a splash for branson anybody who knows him will tell you that weighty actually he broadcasts it to be fair to him he doesnt hide the fact that hes a fluffy opportunist who really has no interest in anything real except his own eco but you are all you i was in touch with people in venezuela all the way through february who were with their reporting out of venezuela friends of mine and i was asking pertinent questions about what was actually going on and so if anybody did any research and didnt just listen to the narrative that was being repeated over and over again maduro is a dictator the people list of ng the us is trying to help them with humanitarian aid. We have to pull up and then suddenly out of the woodwork after a phone call. From who pence from pens wedo pops out of the woodwork and says hello im the new president mike pence says. Hold on a minute wouldnt the people of venezuela say so shouldnt they have a some part in this and by the way. Maduro has not written rough showed of the constitution of the of venezuela the constitution of venezuela. Is extremely important to madeira and to most of the people in venice why its not important to guide oh because he plays fast and loose with it he lies about it a changes 8 takes it out of context roger waters ill stop you there more from roger waters as well as the u. N. Special rubble gerontology reza kneels melts after the break. Need to call tony. Im a little bit i think ended up getting one. Body. To. Put them to i dont want or i can just let me as i knew she was out of to get out of yeah i am question. He could feel that he had a chicken does. A female move a little the last young enough but otoh both were out of the. Same wrong all roles just dont hold. Any old belief just to shape our disdain comes to educate and in. Equals betrayal. When so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground. Why a paradise with so much all year round turned into a round the experimentation field for agricultural chemicals we know that these chemicals have consequences they are major here tens theres no question otherwise why would that the Chemical Company workers themselves be geared up that suited up locals attempt to combat the on regulated experiments that often in day you have many of these people who have one foot into the biotech pharma and the other foot in the government regulatory bodies this kind of collusion is reprehensible while the battle goes on the chemicals continue to poison hawaii and its people so one has to ask the question whether there is a form of Environmental Research going on in hawaii whether these Companies Feel they can get away with this because the people have less political power. Welcome back im still here with activists of pink floyd frontman roger waters but the sun does the front runner arguably of the d. N. C. To challenge trump in 2020 he complained about the door and said nothing about julian at all as far as i can tell all politicians fearful of taking the kind of political positions you have of course the faithful i actually use twitter very little but all through the venezuelan comments from this way he made sweeping statements about my door oh he was repeating than ours. It doesnt matter what i tweet said he kind of discredited some self and im really sorry to see it because in terms of domestic policy Bernie Sanders is done a great deal of good in the United States to push the argument to a more progressive position so i kind of feel for Bernie Sanders who i admire in some ways but of course hes scared. That hes going to make a mistake and that will be the end of his till to 2020 election you know you only have to see the way. Some of the new progressive sing congress or even people whove been there for a few years get attacked for making any kind of financial war statement well actually can only as healthy some of the new women you know poverty as a guy would a o c n a o c is now talking about palestine and is going out about julian isnt just being called an a d c my german cool been who kind of supported us on this didnt want him to be extradited doesnt want to be extradited to the u. S. Has been called in and hes in music racist how do you see palestine playing in on these issues we could have a long conversation about how smearing may end cobain and asuncion anybody else who criticizes the Israeli Government as anti semites is absurd clearly and is such a blatant and cheap. Tactic and we know why they do it we know why the ministry of Strategic Affairs in tel aviv. Does it they do it because they have no aunts. To the accusations of Human Rights Violations and war crimes and so on and so forth so its just a smokescreen to divert a. And sharon from the fact that our criticisms those of us who criticize the Israeli Governments policies in the occupied territories and in israel itself and support b. D. S. Maybe its a smokescreen to divert attention from the fact that were right and theyre wrong i was sickened by the way that was happening in the u. K. At the Labor Party Conference and the attempted smearing of jeremy cole been coping hes a man of great principle he also has humanity he cares about people he empathizes with others cool cool women as the and diane abbott the shout of exactly is that as ons must not be extra di did i just quickly actually i better ask you about how do leaders loom in aged issues like palestine and yemen and britain now sending record levels of weapons to israel somebody like Julian Assange which willy nilly will be a progressive think thoughts why he chose to do the job that he chose to do thats why hes an activist thats why we mention him in the same breath as john pilcher because he cares about other people. He has some of the same qualities that jeremy cobain has im going to ask you what you would say to the british Prime Minister and would you think about what will happen to julian isnt here in london and whether indeed as some people say he might be killed what i would say to the british Prime Minister. I suspect that i mean i could say and i think 1st id say resign but after that obie for that i said before you resign think carefully about handing Julian Assange over to the americans except i think that would be a waste of my breath i think i need to speak directly to the british people i cannot use to raise a mag as a conduit to them caray to resumes beyond redemption and beyond help of any kind certainly for me in my view. Tory shes a dyed in the wool posts that tory in i have no respect for talk shes also provided oh presided over the greatest disaster is probably in the history of those set to dials and im talking about bricks it obviously would you say the subject the stakes here with that he might be killed or would you say that what we should learn from this whole episode is the emboldens of information and facts they are killing as son do you see him when he came out of the embassy hes been living he hasnt seen hardly seeing daylight for 6 years having committed no crime just because donald trump the commander in chief once seemed dead he may very well end up dead that is why the british people he called them as he was taken by those special broncho for. Says into that van and driven away he called upon the people of Great Britain to resist i heard him i watched on the t. V. They resist them and they should there should be a general strike in england to prevent them being extradited there should be millions in the street like there were before the invasion of iraq though the powers that be probably wouldnt take any notice they didnt of that so a sarge we were stored to everything that we can to protect him roger waters thank you well ahead of the forcible removal of Julian Assange by british authorities professor neil the melter the un special rapporteur on torture was due to visit the wiki leaks founder in order to assess whether his conditions amounted to cruel inhuman or degrading treatment he joins me now by skype from geneva neal thanks so much for coming on so the u. K. Prime minister tourism a minority government leader said in parliament we should welcome the arrest of julian a son zhu a political refugee Identity Card and obviously she knew of the u. S. Extradition request should we welcome it. And expressed extreme plans to expel an. Ready embassy. Because i would be arrested and possibly the states so i dont think that is a Good Development and should be extremely concerned about it you wanted to see him when he was inside the Ecuadorian Embassy just like your colleague the special rapporteur on previously just tell me why you werent able to see him and now whether youre going to perhaps visit him in belmarsh prison in South East London known to some as the kind of guantanamo of britain. Well i will 1st mostly visit to the embassy and to assign again in the embassy and areas for all of the origins for the 20th of april now thats a little bit longer way from now and was surprised and shocked to see the arrest and before we could actually visit him there yes another process of merging an official request to the british authorities to be able to visit his characters of detention but so far you cant say theres been any obstruction of un special rapporteur to witness the conditions in which an innocent has been kept in what i cannot do it was to make your case and i salute many requests and i have not been able to visit him at his place of detention and the concerns of the appeal that i have a lot of the 5th of april to suspend any and visits to the steps of expelling him have not been respected and you intend on applying then to come and see him out of belmarsh prison oh absolutely yes because his doctor or a medical doctor examined him in there the Ecuadorian Embassy said the humanity any humanity of his treatment and the flagrant denial of his universal rights by a quid or the u. K. Are unconscionable. Well you know id encourage leos the name of her concern was not about the past conditions or a legacy but it is to fall is 1st of all his current medical conditions and whether it is apparently traditional liberal it is proportional to support that lot of his clinical condition and secondly the risks you expose true to the United States are different a different country because we now have revelations about what was going on when jeremy corbins now breakfast secretary shadow breakfast secretary once the head of the Crown Prosecution Service we have messages showing that they apparently attempted to persuade swedish authorities not to drop Sexual Assault allegations saying dont you get cold feet. You know certainly it is obviously difficult to make that statement on hold a precise definition between areas you know the scenes there seems to be some material there and some questions that literally asked what we certainly cannot who are is that this is an extremely cold case and therefore also ready there is a great risk to market a fair trial that there may be a public prejudice against of course the papers are full of allegations here that this was about cleanliness in the embassy and the former media partner wiki leaks the guardian saying that lenin merino the sondra of buying from the embassy as a political refugee with a refugee card under the 151 convention can can an embassy just chuck someone out after previously giving them asylum. While others assign maliciously zurab stirrers based on the risk of persecution also the. Current quarter have to say that there is an absolute right to be protected against any risk of torture ready or treatment so if due to the extent of his expulsion or transfer could. A risk of a cultural treatment and there is absolutely no possibility for a state under all circumstances Even National security concerns are not sufficient to allow to deny expelling the solution absolute duty too often asked for more specific law and when you bring up the torture context are you building on that work of your predecessor mendez who said the Chelsea Manning was treated inhumanely and cruelly by the u. S. Military when she was in detention of course hes now in solitary again for refusing to give information to a grand jury about Julian Assange. Well obviously were not you know the United States has not proven to be. A provision of quarter in the past 2 decades since that whole war on terror and the cia. Holocene on torture but in arsal detention practices it was indefinite solitary confinement and other ready types of extremely harsh detention conditions do not include planes of International Law so that certainly it would raise my concerns when we were dealing with a case that is clearly politically very very ready relevant but w