Sovereignty statehood hes capital and all of that and its really too much to waste a lot of time on it and one can only ask every toric a question would these rallies agree to sell their own National Dignity and national lend or even the settlements in the west bank for a price tag of 50000000000. 00 or 500000000000. 00 or whatever the amount there would be ok youre seeing in tel aviv i mean the supporters of this deal or are spinning it is a middle east Marshall Plan we already heard marshalls name mentioned already i mean but i dont really understand how it works i mean if the countries that are involved or are egypt lebannon jordan israel the palestinian lands i mean whos going to make those decisions i mean i seriously doubt it we know all due respect israels going to want to see the palestinians spending 5050000000000. 00 or any part of that ok i mean obviously it would seem like since its coming from the questionnaire that he would want the israelis to be spending that money i mean how would it all these other. I want to get involved in Something Like that when its unclear if its going to be in their National Interests go ahead you know c n n n i and. Yes i agree with peter right now miri its a nonstarter for a push for a diplomatic breakthrough its even a funny kind of feel when being because the groom and the bride are not taking part in in their party hes rallies and police and palestinian leaders are absent from from the meeting in moderating. The a. B. M. Maybe heads some sort of logic had it been preceded 1st afforded by. The political negotiations and then you could have come forward with an economic package now the idea of the economic package is not bad at all for itself. The idea is that jordan which is under tremendous economic pressure egypt which is. Deteriorating every day and lebanon which is a host of many palestinians refugees would benefit from big deal which would be part of kind of solving the palestinian problem and its interesting but without at diplomatic. Negotiations with without that people might think dogs its a nonstarter there its just a joke and yes its a typical of the trump of the ministration and my final comment would be you have to we have to understand who is behind the plan who has designed the plan its trump and joe is there any special envoy jefferson green bob and we have a nice israel and u. S. Ambassador in this rail David Friedman all of them are supporters of the. Of the settlements they are friends of the center letters and they are against. Against palestinian state to state solution and in favor of it is really an extension of the occupied territories ok well im kind of disappointed that were all in such agreement era where were pledging it out and its really important peter i mean this this deal looks like its repackaging the occupation thats all its doing its putting a nice you know it is tying a little bow over something that has existed for decades and and your question is certainly is not approaching that because you cant deal with these Economic Issues im going to agree with you without dealing with the political i mean thats what you thats where you start ok in the economic infrastructure if a political arrangement can be made which we all know its been very very difficult thats where you would go ahead in manchester. You know. The implied deal here i mean what is the deal. The implied deal is for 50000000000. 00 of the palestinians birthright. For tickets or a lottery you think other peoples money they might not win on anyway. They will give up all right and lend that. Question and maybe its more or less explicit in some of these recent statements by. The Arab Peace Initiative with no basis for negotiations by thing among palestinian he is far as he knew it was only technocratic people who wanted to argue about these or quit facts of sovereignty and right and land and the ordinary people just wanted to get a life. With the absurd. Self serving thinking dignifying it with. The word here is not really thinking i mean if it was serious anything worth asking ourselves what would a serious plan look like well that would include these 2 elements which are absent one compensation for who would be routed from the settlement on the any imaginable piece the oh and secondly fund returning a number a limited number of returning Palestinian Refugees is not even touched on and were immediately jared cushiony he told he writes im just a couple of words here a healthy economy while is a healthy population but the trumping ministration is withdrawing all kinds of funds from the palestinians. Particularly in building hospitals in east jerusalem. A recognition of the p. L. O. Representation in washington i could go on and on and then his son in law is saying we need a healthy palestine i mean what is going on here i mean did anybody in the state Department Read it i mean or just because hes the son in law you get a blank check i mean its patently absurd what is being written here talking about Health Conditions and how you can grow the g. D. P. Well if you have a military occupation its kind of hard to grow in g. D. P. When you cant move around you have limited choices for work and you have huge unemployment i mean what in the world this is about go ahead in tel aviv. Well its a bipolar policy and the 2 poles can be summed up by one word and this is fine if you are fine with my poli sci youll get a lot of incentives if not im going to fine you and youre going to pay a lot and the only precedent in American History for such a proposal goes back to who was it beats a minute to gave the native americans 24. 00 worth of colored beads for the island of manhattan perhaps this is where the trumps and the question is got their idea now we are giving them too much credit by calling it a play in a proposal all they wanted to do is to get away from their Campaign Pledge of 3 years ago to solve the palestinian israeli conflict of course they were very cocky about the we will succeed where everybody before us failed they dont have anything up the sleeves but they had to come up with something so be published this proposal knowing full well that nothing will come out of feet and those countries who need the United States for protection against iran in the gulf very obedient Police Showed up again very willing that this is going on so thats where were going to go in the 2nd part of this program i just im up the 1st half the program is it was a bribe that nobodys going to take i would say after a short break well continue our discussion on the deal of the century state party. 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Welcome back to cross talk were all things are considered on Peter Lavelle to remind you were discussing the deal of this century. Ok lets go back to your scene in tel aviv amir did at the very end of the 1st part of the program he mentioned iran and can we put this deal and maybe this the trumpet ministrations approach to the israel and the middle east and iran into context here are there any real connections here because we have we have countries in the middle east that. Talking about outside of the palestinians in israel its is it looks like you know the Trump Administration is looking for some kind of grand strategy and that grand strategy obviously is to create some kind of coalition against iran and were living in very dangerous times right now how well founded is the Trump Administrations quest for this coalition. Well. These things are connected in their way their reason their reason quite lesion a Broad Coalition of you can call it this. Is some sort of in the israeli mind or participation in the mainly by providing intelligence and some. Of the wear and software to wear United Arab Emirates to saudi arabia is to defend themselves against the iranian threat. Iran is a major is a major. Topic for the trumpet ministration and they sidelined the palestinian issue. As i said earlier United Arab Emirates by hurricane saudi arabia egypt and even jordan who are on the run were forced to participate in their behind rain conference peace peace conference the konami confreres deal of the century which is actually maybe a deal of the day so these things are connected iran is a major major problem for the United States and for israel and saudi arabia one shouldnt deny that and therefore this is the main focus of the conference is not important or peter the same question to you i mean what what is the confines of all of this because i mean i ended the 1st part of the program by calling the deal of the century a bribe that no one is going to take and we know that at the conference in brain a lot of low level people are attending i mean if its not somebody you know theres no real hot tickets theyre ok i mean i guess its kind of a lame attempt at the not to deal with real realities i mean i think the trump and ministrations approach to iran is farcical its making it far far worse ok its not using diplomacy as supply the should be used. We dont need another regional war and certainly trumps base isnt interested in it either go ahead peter. Lightly surprise theyve gone ahead with it on the timing was the goal of almost literally a flame i dont hold it would have been why the put it off for a few weeks because at the moment going to be a propaganda gift who run. The propaganda mill there already worrying the loud way. The. Thing is going and burthen and in fact the gulf countries the going to it that theyre holding than those who is. Trying to smuggle it through their own Public Opinion which again did the whole thing is an embarrassment and actually a propaganda gift to iran. I mean from what i understand it was the american side that decided that in israeli delegation shouldnt show up because the arab countries were sending such low level officials apparently the saudis wanted to make it look like theres some kind of unity within the arab league among arab elites and israel but they took it off the table at the last 2nd was not a wise move. It was inevitable because if the palestinians dont show up it was going to look people so one sided so much often american israeli axis that there would be no point in even holding the show but you mentioned earlier the electoral base which. Is aiming polisi at this base and jelly and also includes some right wing jewish supporters and for them he wants he wants to show that he is supportive of israel and dismissive of the palestinians and also he wants to show that this is one of his Campaign Pledges that he at least made a good effort to fulfill if it didnt come to pass so be now looks towards the next elections and he wants to check the box and move ahead you know see under this administration. The trumpet ministration is openly and very forcefully pro israel as the see it ok how does that how is that bad for any kind of Peace Process when there are so many pieces that we need to have in the middle east but if the United States is abandon its its a broker position that it prided itself on for decades and i dont think it was a fair broker but at least it was a pretense of being a fair broker but now with this switch here i mean how does that bode for the region. You are absolutely right even under more balanced administration is like that Barak Obama Administration or even. Due to bushs administrations still United States was very favorable. And supportive of israel and that was the major palestinian complaint nowadays on their drugs there is nothing even due to compare when these absolutely 100 percent not only on the ease or any side is under percent on one side of israel and this is their right wing they say the layers. And their and netanyahu and therefore if you really want to make a progress in the middle east or at least be in these really are Palestinian Conflict you need it bad there are no religious bell and more balanced. Unfortunately its not going to happen and all the nollywood say that trumps for him polly see if he has any. Is just in shambles regarding north korea regarded russia or regarding china. In the middle east as well especially in these really Palestinian Conflict ok peter i will give you a hypothetical ok go ahead i mean at the point of the program jump in. Ok you said that this is the american policy is really it is not broad israeli hes pro Benjamin Netanyahu ok good governor good point thank you thank you couldnt pull it off yes thats fair good point this is this is not no no no this is this is not to be identical with israel the good of the israeli people and the electorate here is split down the middle at the most. And his followers resent broadly half of the population and most of the more thoughtful israelis are against his policy amir thank you for correcting me on my own program i stand corrected youre absolutely right let me go to peter now with my hypothetical ok donald trump finds out the reception of his son in law is a plan everyones laughing at it so what donald trump does being unpredictable as he is he calls you up peter and ask you to be his special envoy in the middle east whats the 1st thing you would do because you have the qualifications for it you could do the job. I have to say mr president you have to go back through your starting point but what im very much afraid of his plan is not withstanding the poor reception of the economic plan were going to press ahead with plan a. Which anticipated i think the kind of reception it must have done anybody with half a brain could have foreseen what was happening they put on the table after the israeli elections the political blueprint which will involve an almost total capitulation. Of 90 percent of the land to israel and then hell say well we offered you this fantastic amount of money you turned it down now you turning down our political plan to give you back some of your land and end of story and the story were going to recognize israels. The west bank or big chunks of it that that that is where were headed that is where we headed regard with what anyone drive through him. You know you know show you that i mean thats a really good point because it seems like could be the trumpet ministration is seeking a greater israel because netanyahu has been hinting at it about the annexation of the good part of the west bank if not all of it here and of certainly the United States would not object even though that was. Not something any other administration had even contemplated how would that change the dynamic because if its ok that u. S. And then maybe a few of its allies would recognize it but most of the world will not do that how does that change the dynamic in the palestine israel conflict go ahead yossi yes sir still im not sure the drunk really cares about annexation equal to the ones you have been bibi wanted and he wants to make people happy thats thats the point and the mayor it did a really good job of explaining that. Exactly that was exactly 22nd they 2nd sentence im going was going to say he doesnt care about settlements he doesnt care about an exception he he wants to support netanyahu as as i mentioned he are very supportive of the israeli right wingers and this and they are friends of the settlers now. Once israel annex this part of the west bank and it would be a slow process it would not be over night any 2 down extension would take would take. Place in chunks once it is completed the end its the end of any israeli palestinian. Even imagine or possible author already peace aleutian and maybe. It would have its wrong we think geishas on the israeli itself for days really psyche on the israeli public on israeli economy because many countries eventually would treat israel theyll write something. Just treating israel like a 2nd south africa apartheid boycott so all ok of all right on that point gentlemen i will have to jump in here this is the 1st time ive done a program of dealing with israel and the palestinians who were there wasnt a blow out a very thankful to all of you many thanks to my guests in tel aviv and in manchester and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at r. T. C. Unix time and remember rostock rules. Good food descriptions