a hand in that convertible the missing and already they're missing it deeply literally because we have alex shaffer us painting in the back and oilfields are really. making me feel a little bit hunter s. thompson asked oh i was it all that oil separate time it's got warming it's way through my brain cavity right now. you know foxy this me house equipment it carries around knobs and buttons and machines and he's recording stuff apparently people come up to him all the time and they say hey buddy are yo ghost hunter i think he's a ghost hunter looking for ghosts and that's funny that's you have to be kind of an older pre-millennial that's like ghostbusters sort of days i guess you know there's a big there's a big market for ghost hunting apparently a lot of t.v. shows roaming around old shadows and mansions looking for ghosts. actually in flagstaff we're going to be i think we're staying at a haunted haunted hotel when you say haunted i mean how on to. not as haunted as those scary films he won't see yeah i'm not going to look low want to be scaled. back again i'm surprised. if you're mentally bankhead you never have been ok you're in prison that we're going to go home not possible ok get ready for the what. the movie. does not ask for that's what i think. the road to be. god's country just was that good intention love it says like route one fifty one i've never seen it's never seen a road called roots and i actually have no peeping at all this is like sedona gonzo with max the stacy in their color coordinated sweaters heading out into the gonzo countryside with a fully equipped picnic baskets watching the apocalypse of america the great seeds and well coordinated accessories some of this landscape actually looks apocalyptic with you know these treaties just chopped down are falling down are burned down where something is tree stumps and everywhere you look you know the storms come to blow the trees right off the stumps look at the list looks like something out of chain you know prufrock like she was said she had her prufrock sort of thing i think you're a myth you're mixing up j. edgar hoover and ts eliot it's a great j. edgar prufrock a story about a lone f.b.i. agent who is faces the wasteland that is an older years and turn back the hands of time and gets eaten by giant crumpet somewhere in london nobody misses max you know this county that we're in right now has the highest percentage of need of americans . in the state of arizona yeah i saw it like thirty percent thirty percent of the population in this county are native american mostly navajo and also hopi and some other few other tribes around here as well yeah i saw that was really remarkable i didn't know that there were any counties anywhere that had such a high concentration of native americans and you definitely have a sense of their presence in this landscape because when you ever see native americans for trade it's always in the landscape like this right if i lived here and this is my land with all this beauty and some dude came along instead of blasting and mining and looking for your gold and taking your stuff and taking your food and taking your wives and stuff like that like i might fight back and then be called a savage and b you know all this propaganda about me saying that she's the bad girl you know she's the one trying to keep us from taking our land look at the people throw up mcdonald's and they don't have a got a good number of strips of bacon on the double cheeseburger and they want to kill somebody imagine a native american having their land stolen you know a tomahawk to the skull and maybe that you know drive the point home get out we don't want you again the violence is part of the d.n.a. the make up of everything in the fabric of the world around us. you know my feeling on my feeling on this give me your feeling because that's what hunter s. thompson would do he would just emote his feelings violence to and of itself is not the problem the problem is mr wright the violence in other words there is an inherent stream of violence that goes back to the big bang of the universe and continues through the evolution of our species and the discovery of art and the. proliferation of our arts and science. it's not in its own right to be cast a down because is the fire right here brimstone that's the fire of life life is fire you can't end violence is part of life. here is the grand canyon mike so. i told you you were right the most fertile with thing i've ever seen there is literally nothing like this on earth like nothing at all that comparison so how would you possibly describe it to somebody when you first encounter it like the first europeans i came out here and before they killed all the natives and they came out here and they went back east like how they describe it like you don't understand i saw this big crack i could have been on pay already i'm not sure there was a crack like the earth ripped open and it's a hole that goes right down into the center of the earth and you can see everything you can see what the earth made right here oh a rock problem obviously we humans we look at the features of long devotee on our own selves and thank you that's ugly but here this is like this is a wrinkle poor ugliness of earth and yet it's so beautiful it is beauty and violence and ugliness and majestic grander all in one why it's the result of decay and as the result of wear and tear but. of time of wear and tear have carved away with god's. carving tool that lets go on with it's actually called the river the river runs through it and has created this so it's simple physics and simple scientific forces simple forces of nature cause something so beautiful so majestic but of course max this is the sort of classic scene where one as a tourist. takes a selfie you know and hopefully does not plunge off the side here so let's listen take our selfie. highway heading into flagstaff also want to see folks that flagstaff sounds like something like a pretty clint eastwood well like you know where john wayne sort of felt john wayne would hang out in flagstaff yeah you gotta go back before clint all the way back to john wayne yes. because clint eastwood was more of a desert he sort of. just feel like you were in the brady bunch when you went to the grand canyon. it was overwhelming. in a lot of ways parked on a railroad track seems like the beginning of some bad western what's the bright light coming this way and not clanging doesn't seem to be stopped tracks but. here's two eastern. sort of carpetbaggers sort of people out here in the wild west where flagstaff are parked on some railroad tracks and the roads just come and run us over and i'm going to say you know we did toothpick in their mouth and cowboy hat they can say yeah we'll make that stupid out here. who you call a carpetbagger. so max like i was saying the slow old west a lot of. people came out here a lot of gunfights a lot of gold miners and a lot of people who might have. got trapped on the railroad track and got run over by a train so you know what that means in america that means there's ghosts ghosts yeah and we're going to go on a ghost or not too scared well. i haven't really made my peace with ghosts like some on. good general. you are you know like a lead that watching scary. you're ready to be scared. if you know my hands. hear it when max kaiser welcome to flagstaff haunted tours johnny my name is johnny and i'll be your tour guide and we had a concert location right now we are a very haunted location and the city of flagstaff hired a psychic to come in and verify that we had. some spirit here and she spent half a day investigating every nook and cranny when she was done we asked her do we have a ghost here and her answer was no. you have thirty three of them thirty three verify that that's a verified fact you would suspect and say well why thirty three well we have an intersection there as well as over there with the train and i myself have personally seen people get in the intersection just say that yeah this is pokey i know you're right maybe i was like yeah i'm feeling it back in the old days one hundred fifty years ago flagstaff was what was a famous for timber number and that was what brought people here. and eventually it turned out to be other things like the university tourism lots of cowboys and i hear you're a cowboy when you're not chasing ghosts. do you can you lasso again and really you can last oh a ghost a ghost not a ghost. train. like to. be. played we just don't hear about it. yet and we promote it. of course because we're capital as we sell tickets to come see that goes yes with typical ghost that you have in flagstaff it's. make we have some mischievous ones we have some that try to help us very helpful really like over at the milton house some of them out let's go let others that. i'm not looking for a helpful ghost i'm looking for one that will scare max yeah i won't be tough. mean i mean i didn't you know you. see it's one of those. those whom you know most of it goes to but in your years and years it was notable just believe it or not but you know. the bullies the ways the way i did my best religion as the why do. you think yes this is. this was not. going. to be the school kid. you know it's a new year you will see. these balls to go to the one point of. money if you're the gun crews decide to move ahead. with. begin to gather you thirty for example and they. would be for level they kind of integration that's does full civil soul italian paula will not prove a machine but i would not be part of the change. this is is a stick from the water bottle found in the stomach of the fish the brand is sponsor of the coca-cola company which sells millions of bottles of soda every day the idea was that let's tell consumers they're the bad ones they're the litterbugs for throwing this away industry shouldn't be blamed for all this. the company has long promised to reuse the plastic. in maine that seems cool such. a special project funding. on the. team but for now the mountains of moist only grow. all right this hotel is very haunting and one of the first people to report ever seen a ghostly figure here was none other than john wayne himself they were filming from here and he was staying here he was going to room when you heard a knock on the door he asked who is it and the voice answered this is room service he got up to see who was because he hadn't ordered anything in the hall he saw a young man dressed with a pill box and del boy walking away from him and he says what did you want the young man turned around smiled at him and just continued walking into the year flagstaff i was saying earlier is more of a john wayne town than a clint eastwood town i would think so yes i got that sense when i you know know you you something the duke the duke was here you saw goes and you pour yourself because he was a man of action you see something you say something and he said something and you actually said it was never a gun slingers how well i played the part of the gunslinger my stuff i could tell you have a quick draw absolutely if he didn't flinch when i did that i was waiting for you. to see a credible story and i was just looking at raw tomatoes serious. foam american animal the film about you has a ninety seven percent rating it's like people love this film your book is called evolution and the subtitle is becoming a criminal did you become a criminal i definitely don't consider myself a criminal but i definitely went through a period in my life that i did become a criminal yes then what exactly happened because as i understand it you got the idea after being inspired maybe by the wrong influences to pull a heist i grew up watching these iconic criminals and really idolizing this this kind of behavior. you know movies like ocean's eleven thomas crown affair snatch you know kind of the the smooth criminal and i ended up in aiding their their behavior right so a lot of times you hear that movies have an influence on folks and in your case we can say that influenced you in a way that it glamorized crime you refer to these as iconic criminals and certainly in america there's a tradition of the of the robe of the gangster of the huckster and some people like and trump in this tradition that he's a snake oil salesman but he's part of the american character you've come up through a system that has lionized and glamorized guys like yourself so you you perpetrated these crimes and then you got caught and then you went into the american legal system so my full sentence was eighty seven months this was a victimless crime you know it wasn't so there was a librarian on duty. two of the people who committed the heist with the actually tied up the librarian i was the get away driver and in the process of the high east we end up stealing trolls darwin's on the origin of species. illuminated manuscripts from the fourteen hundreds medical dictionaries and long to thomas jefferson and in court we were charged with the value. in excess of four point five million dollars so why even go after and still these old dusty textbooks or was it just an idea of the heist itself there's a big thing that happens in the transition between childhood and adulthood and i actually start my my book with a quote it's an african proverb and it says if the youth are not initiated into the village they will burn it down just to feel its warmth and in my particular case. i've been approached by my three friends who are also involved in the heist about the heist about a year prior to it actually taking place and i felt i had too much to lose so i just kind of laughed it off and i said no this is stupid you're going to get yourself caught don't do that and then i had kind of a perfect storm of negative events happening in my personal and family life and i grew up very entitled and i grew up with a lot of opportunity and then all of the sudden everything that i was building my hopes and dreams on it's disappeared we're going to talk about the title of the second i want to focus on this i'm going to quote you talking about if there's not a proper initiation the youth will burn down the village and in america themes like that it's a culture steeped in infantilization that all everything can't be coddled enough that we're all basically getting a gold star for everything we do and there is no coming that initiation into let's say especially in the male side of the equation to from puberty through puberty into adulthood i think that in title men is coming from a place of not understanding consequence you know and not being held accountable for our actions and in my situation yeah i ended up doing this crime not really thinking about the far reaching implications i actually had quite a few people in my community where i grew up who were very influential within the community and. they reached out to the judge and pleaded to the judge for mercy you know saying i'm a first time offender you know please give this this kid a chance don't there was life away in prison and ultimately the judge spoke to that and she said that because you know myself and the other three guys involved in the heist. because we want. inner city kids we didn't have opportunities. that she she actually wouldn't take exception to us and it was actually the opposite that she wanted to make an example out of us because we did have opportunities and we did have a path toward success but still we chose to commit a crime so tell us about life in the incarceration what was it like. it's hard to describe everything that you see and hear about in film and t.v. it all happens all of it the the rapes the violence the. good things happening behind the scenes with the with the guards and things like that it all happens but for the most part those things happen few and far between so most of the most of my time in prison was spent. in boredom trying to find ways to make my time positive and productive so i think the depiction of prison life in hollywood is fairly accurate and it shows incredible violence and you found that to be true it's incredibly accurate because it does happen they just don't show the amount of time in between those those intense moments right apparently the america is a country in the world with the highest incidence by far the any country in the world of male rape due to the incredibly large prison population the largest prison population in the world we have five percent of the world's population but twenty five percent of the world's incarcerated on the list and there's something wrong. what do you think we're becoming somewhat introspective and circumspect about all this why do you think that is i made it my mission to make my time for doctor and useful. i think in general the the american. justice system is based mostly on punishment and i think it's really really important that it become more based in education and rehabilitation i was able to do that for myself and seek that but there's a lot of people who don't have the opportunities and resources that i have to rehabilitate and to educate themselves ok but you know we've got a little problem here because i don't lising the wrong type of hero and sending a lot of people to jail ultimately in jail is a for profit business owned by corporations listed on the new york stock exchange that is no incentive not to stop this to somebody line of criminals and to glorify criminals and without it the g.d.p.'s and i think should be cut down and we need higher g.d.p. above all else that's it we live for we need a higher g.d.p. but all of those people who are basically being taken advantage of in earning slave wages you know at most you can earn there is maybe a dollar a day in prison in prison but wait a minute surely slavery was outlawed in this country know all i think the the thirteenth amendment allows for slavery of those who are incarcerated chiefly losers and first it's is a set of put people in prison there is joy if you buy american heroic archetype that inspired you to fall ill of the righteous path and end up supporting the g.d.p. of prisons and drugs in america i personally do not feel victimized at all i mean i made my own decisions and ultimately i paid the price for. all the journey east to go backwards to america timeline and find out exactly what makes this country tick how do we become what we are who who we are the charlatans the. the the nuts geniuses are going to end up in the swamp land of florida and everything goes if we end up in prison can i call you. absolutely can i be happy to show you the ropes and i look forward to seeing what you guys uncover on that journey that's very generous thank you so much absolutely all right many thanks mack sennett take care of the stood. flagstaff is a good book and to las vegas you know for your interview with that guy chaz because vegas is like has romanticized the gangster you know from films like ocean's eleven or casino as built by gangsters and had those bugsy siegel like gangsters there and then flagstaff is that old gunslinger wild west sort of character who appeared in my eyes is the american character on film yeah that's an issue it's like the. plates of the grand canyon to dig through the different eras a different time zones you know the archaeological stratification you see the different the pox and with flagstaff it's the john wayne period of american mythology we're still john wayne today we go overseas and we were you store law and order and we bring law and order and we we bring order to their chaos and the you know these people don't know how to live we've restored this little some sort of sense of order to the natural way they live well that guy johnny his ghost stories weren't all that scary i hate to tell them but they were very scary when you have cable news but he did make a great point about the reason why americans believe in ghosts versus europe is that he believes the low americans we make money off ghosts as a so that's why we talk about it. we have like ghosts they feel the need to work there's a there's a strong work ethic in the ghost community when johnny said that americans talk about ghosts a lot because they make money off it what it reminded me of is our national parks because we've gone through yosemite we passed near grand canyon and all of these are really the ghosts of the former people the first peoples the need of americans is we're making thirty six billion dollars a year by the way our national parks bring in thirty six billion who are making it off the ghosts of the people that used to live here their original inhabitants when lincoln opened you some of the eight hundred sixty four it was just ten years after the massacre of the u.s. how many people and so they were about was over i could turn around that was just like the cable news shock jock of his day it's like you know we had a huge massacre also but a national war yet what's the biggest doing now that they're turning the ghosts of michael jackson through all the grahams into moneymakers. so that's where i am and amy winehouse she's going on tour even though she's dead so i think i think that guy johnny was on to something this attitude seemed to capture this like ghost goes to become a commodity everything has been commodified that's it appeared to me of neil liberal economics which everybody is rebelling against. the ghost industrial complex ghost industrial complex he was part of it he was johnny for the ghost industrial complex. the u.s. in order to guarantee obeyance by the population world think gauge and stop tell terrorism that's clearly on the march and the population is ready for it you know they were all sad to say hope benteke go get ready for their get ready to be controlled. and there's a number machine and not. can it get away with all of them ok if the whole was not an animation anyway it will be like the battle day only the wooden astley ever get larger. than a big. name of the one that had been. given to people. who give the new nightly. what the how do we learn our d. as soon as our own inner jane mean the whole corn girl before. why do men are well known asia was so and i think she was. awful. i think syphilis terminology as a. election. they have elections people are suffering from many things and they're. sick you are and i think. they can make it to the to become sick and stable country so i think he has a big chance and they think the people ninety percent of the people they'd be happy to say for someone that actually. see the crisis in venezuela intensifies with new elections for the opposition held national assembly told us sanctions. imposed assassination threats. there's no time for dialogue this is time for us.

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