Who go been defamed in that video claim that goldmans refusal to answer allegations catalyzed quiet censorship of the video on British Television so how do we get here with me is more of livingston the director of the new film belonging the truth behind the headlines morag thanks so much for coming on before we get to the film belonging. G. s and its writer Jeremy Corbyn to threaten our leading media proprietors with democratic control im not so sure i see it so much as a threat per se in that you know our media has for a long time not necessarily reported everything in the news as we have it uncovered much in the film but they have taken certain view perhaps a polemic here of the world and i fear it is more hes writing that balance thats there particularly in. My understanding of his statement is that hes not increasing regulation but hes actually going to open the media up which in my view is much needed and we were right at the beginning of your film News International composites of terry smith says it isnt what is in the newspaper its what isnt just expanded on that so what terry was saying is is twofold one is that the newspaper editors decide what news we see and you know the differences between this program and as you mentioned the b. B. C. Can be quite vast and and one of the things that i learnt from terry particularly was to look beyond that to look at what isnt there as much as what is so for example when we finished our interview with terry i rushed home and spent the next couple of days going back through all our research trying to find out what was missing and i think in addition to that there is a lot of people are popularly calling fake news is around i call people not necessarily doing their jobs properly or not being given the time to do their jobs properly you know they have to rush through stories etc so where is the impetus of checking. Those but i encourage people to look at all scoops of news and then make their own decisions and the nexus of power in your film there between the unions. Fighting against this nexus of media government in the case of mrs thatchers government obviously during Rupert Murdochs rise to power as it were and the police. Explain how or possibly i mean i do think i remember this the b. B. C. s star war reporter kate eighty could have possibly we hospitalize were police in london fighting arguably to protect the interests of Rupert Murdoch and in the film as well terry says that they knew which night so there was going to be a. And of iraq speakers the police first went after the media and it wasnt just katie we showed photographs in the film of the i. T. N. Crew there are reports that weve found actually the Russian Press complained to the government we couldnt quite get into the film because it was a bit of a tangent but this was a sustained. Approach which came about partly because of a new place handbook. Just been released on. Policing in public order but also it went beyond that you know there was in my view from all the research weve done there was a sustained lack of control to the policeman on the ground they were being the Operations Room was far away you know quite a number of miles away and so there wasnt any control there and yet all the evidence stacks up that there was potentially collusion between murdoch between the government and the police in order to not as the public. View is to in should use technology but actually to reduce the power of trade unions to move then forward so they can control the news and we give an example in the film from where during the miners strike the trade union stopped the front page when i was growing up i always heard that that was because there was too much trading in power when i now look at it and when the evidence was presented to me and speaking to various people. The trade unions believed that they were holding the integrity of news to account and this is a front page of the morning as leader of the scargill doing a doing a silly hitler salute and weve seen the original copy that you know was written at the time by the editor or we believe it was by the editor and weve got the original front page that was stopped we showed that in the in the film and they put a panel in instead because the trade union stopped the front page zero obviously Rupert Murdoch i think probably today would say it was he who is standing up for a free press thats why he fired six thousand workers that were stopping his journalists being able to print a newspaper with whatever views they wish to put forward but then ill throw that back at you and say well is there a difference between in between news and reporting the news and taking a political view and supporting the political agenda of the time that for me is the difference. Controversially or not im not sure that certain newspapers in this country should be called newspapers anymore because our the unless they are reporting the news. In the reporting things that are not factual as weve seen with the recent potentially seen recently with korb and. That is to me is called into question what is a newspaper nowadays youre talking about things in eighty one the brixton riots miners and so on into in twenty a team you found it difficult although you do reveal previously on revealed information you found it difficult to get information from corporations and other departments alone the British Government i think certain certain departments surprises were great some of the information came from the home office within seven days of our request other information we got letters saying well give it to you next month give it to you next month the Scottish Office centres information a couple of days after the break so whats the read into that what you will and other people point to point blank refuse particularly you know the cabinet office. Years later thirty years later yes by using those well theres two reasons one they say that i wrote the freedom of information requests wrongly for too much of a writer you know the muslim religion here. This is the second one of the other reasons they didnt write the wrong idea and. One of the other reasons they say is because its the formation of government policy and yet when we appealed we go information on the trade union but not on the corporation so there is an inequity in how people are are treated there. Files were also pulled from the National Archives back to the home office in regards to orgreave for example because we we did have a look at that did all grieve i dont mind that my rights were at all which resume is ruled out an inquiry exactly you know there are files that have been pulled back to the home office that we dont have access to except as so yes of course its curious the freedom of information act in my view needs to rewritten. We do not have a transparent open and Accountable Government partly because of the freedom of information act in my personal view. Because it is a struggle to get that information and you know we got more rejections than we got here is the fight here or the files just phoned them and briefly a lot of it is about smearing Union Officials and so what do you think this time or would you recall when it may have backfired for the Murdoch Press and the press and by all the barons the smearing of him being a soviet communist spy in that goldman is using it against them well i think that the overstepped the mark in that there wasnt proof as far as i understand that these things took place in fact i understand he was in chesterfield the night he was meant to bet the soviets but. So yes i do think its backfired partly because of social media i am concerned about what happens next in the future because treason me when she was home secretary spoke a lot about if you dont think like because them you know youre in the realm of being in trouble with the law even if you havent broken the law. And in terms of the internet you know she her focus is also on that and if the internet hadnt been able to respond in the way it had then perhaps other news organizations wouldnt have looked into it so closely and find that there werent there was an evidence in relation to that so possibly backfired but i thing. Well come back so unfortunately large livingston thank you thank you very much after the break the chair of the British Association of social workers tells this program that austerity is causing provision in britain for young families to collapse than fifty two years since the first launch of the Apollo Program we speak to the first briton in space ellen show the solace of all coming up in part two of going underground. Fifty years ago pregnant women to cons again as a sleeping pill does this is what i mean because i just said this the scientific sweat terrible but not on the road is shown induction on full bore love will be here not double wall gamble good luck across europe victims are starting legal battles demanding at least some compensation in something in two ways first will the physical damage itself as well that the constant mind that the people who actually perpetrated this crime has never been able to justice and there has been a couple of. Hate everybody im Stephen Baldwin russian the task hollywood guy you know suspect every proud american first of all im just George Washington and r. V. To say this is my buddy max famous financial guru and well just a little bit different im not a point at all or not no no one knows up with all the drama happening in our country im shooting the road have some fun meet Everyday Americans norm coleman and hopefully start to bridge the gap this is the Great American people which. I want to. Welcome back we heard in part one from or a gleaming stone about historic allegations of the destruction of trade unions by the collusion of government the police and the media and that was before the current western economic crisis triggered by the twenty eight crash joining me now is guy shannon the chair of the British Association of social workers the largest professional association for social work in the u. K. On the sixth of march hell be joining others fighting austerity cuts at a meeting in london to galvanize support for what some argue is collective economic punishment thanks so much guys for coming on what about this meeting on the sixth of march what are you hoping to achieve while the meeting of the six months is actually part of a campaign at the spring into life in the past year or so has been organized. And started by the British Association of social workers together with the social Workers Union in alliance with a whole range of other organizations just explain that theres a union and theres a professional association pressures associations historically have been much less keen to get involved in politics sometimes even affiliated with the conservative government that might be the case the but shes association a social workers created a trade union oh. Im several years ago which is now an independent trade Union Associated with the professional association and we work very closely together in fact the social Workers Union is i believe the Fastest Growing union in the country at the moment what have the a story verity cuts meant for your members. Well what the cuts have meant for our members is we cant do the job that we want to do properly really. And that has a terrible impact on the people that we are here to serve i think its well documented well known that stare at a affects people in poverty affects the poorest people in society more than other groups and social workers by and large the majority of our service uses are people who are suffering from poverty so sterrett is actually affecting the work of social workers every day and in a whole range of ways this drill down to one specific problem as your members may perceive it i mean theres been a closure of more than five hundred Children Centers does that how does that have a knock on effect on the work of your men has not only enormous effect and thats part of i want to picture of cuts in Family Support services i mean thats thats a huge loss to lose five hundred from of hundred Children Centers in since two thousand and ten and social workers need to have Available Support Services such as to consensus to work alongside to to refer parents onto and to be part of the care and support the social workers coordinate and offer you for that which is a provision in britain for young families has collapsed as some of its i think is collapsing is collapsing in many areas and i understand that your members also had to take the slack after the government introduced disability testing what is the overwhelming view of your members about the Work Capability assessments which have been very controversial of course well im not im not i dont know about a poll of our members but i there is widespread. Disquiet dismay about the the use of the work capless us mint many people wanted at least reformed or even scraps i suppose youre going to say that your members are all to reporting an uptick in the number of Mental Health cases that they have to deal with the government says its doing more for Mental Health problems in this country than any other previous government im not sure what the government saying about it but we know that Mental Health services. To the limit i mean one one important part of the campaign that weve launched is to give a voice to Service Users to collect stories real life stories of the impact of austerity and if i may if i could just. Have an article here which is got a collection of stories in it and i want to read out the words of jane whos a survivor of Mental Health difficulties who said recent cuts understand the measures me that after decades of crucial secondary Mental HealthServices Support i have not been discharged i had at least initially some online guy did support via something called big white wall but even this is now being withdrawn after i reach my free six month usage limit the harsh reality as i enter old age is that i have no support to keep me well now except for the samaritans seems to me in twenty First Century britain with the the wealth that we have as a country that situation shouldnt be allowed to be the case what are your members saying when say sanctions are brought in at welfare offices in this country do they do they see people coming to them i mean before hopefully they have to see n. G. O. S like the samaritans they do yes they do and they have to send people off to food banks so we had experience of this when we were the campaign that the meeting on the six a much as part of was really kicked off by a hundred miles notice what we did last year from birmingham to remove you walked the three one hundred s. I did. Many of the social workers and suppose. Says. We met the coordinator of the food bank and run corn he told us about you know the queues that they have their food banks we met a number of people that run for because it happens. So what our members say and hear about is parents that theyre working with having to spend some of their time just for food killing for food banks you see the government again and again say obviously theyre trying their best but say on the carrot and stick approach to welfare sanctions the government say the sanctions are only used when someone failed to meet requirements without good reason this in the minority of cases people are given every opportunity to explain why they failed to do so before a decision is made and there have been some celebrations of the increased Food Bank Use as a show of the Big Society David camerons old for it i think anyone thats actually had experience of food banks and. Anyone whos watched the film i dont youll blake for example which was a graphic depiction of what using food banks islamic couldnt possibly cite as i think thats a comment by someone thats removed from from the actual reality of the of charitable provision i mean its a to be reduced in the twenty First Century so to people to not start of the children to not start of this has to be reliant on charity which is simply in the gift of people it might be given it might not be as opposed to benefits or provision that people receive as a right that seems to me a terrible state of affairs and i should add you said your union may be getting most of corruptions than any other how can a union and Association Like yours help to be the sort of value god of this movement against austerity well it can help in several ways i mean you can launch the campaign that we have that were talking about here in this interview. Its crucial to act collectively social workers cant absentee on their own youre frightened of being demonized by the press. No artist but we should be supported by the press for taking such action. For speaking on behalf of Service Users people the poorest in society to say that to say that people should be treated more fairly that the should be social justice a consummation any right thinking newspaper would think differently than that. Thank you well for a bit of bad austerity in the u. K. To a class war in space now fifty two years of their the first Apollo Program saturn test flight we caught up with britains first astronauts in space Helen Sharman written out of some subsequent there it is arguably because of russian involvement sherman spoke to me at londons Royal SocietyHelen Sharman allegedly to take us back to theres a strap line for the program that youre both of us are all wanted no experience and as. There might be other scientists and i was working in industry and driving my car home from work and i actually heard a radio ad that astronaut wanted no experience necessary and actually it was a chance i had never thought would happen to somebody like me but britain had decided to take part in the soviet Space Program send a british astronaut it wasnt be taxpayer funded but a company was set up to to manage the mission supported by the government but not funded by the government although there was only geo political about it too it was also partially to foster better london more School Relations well i think that that wasnt why it was set up in the subject space agency this is back in one thousand eight is realised that they could actually sell a seat on the soyuz spacecraft so they could get its a nice hard foreign currency by sending other astronauts from other countries and a very similar way that sent cosmonauts from mrs comegys friendly countries in previous years and theyve been a bit of a low in this International Collaboration and now that they realize they could they could do it again but this time instead of it being. Political reasons they could just make it for financial reasons britain then one thousand nine hundred ninety sided that it was going to continue its stance of not funding human spaceflight but thinking that it was a good idea partly because of course it would Foster International relations with between britain and the soviet union that they would support it its long as it wasnt funded by the taxpayer so it was great for me because i got the chance to good supernatural Space Program you have been speaking about the fact that we know more about the Apollo Program really and were coming up to a big anniversary of twenty million team of Neil Armstrong moon landing important was the soviet Space Program i think a lot of people. Know who is you regarding people never heard of the first person ever in space people often dont remember because the nasa p. R. Machine was fabulous and its still very good the soviet p. R. Machine was much more low key so i think its great that weve have had the communication about about the Apollo Missions and so much else that nasa does but i think also sometimes its nice to redress the balance a little bit just to remind people that the only people to go into space havent been americans or have been others and some great first great achievements of happened by other countries in particular the soviet union because so many people will wonder whether you did go to space because major jim peak was the first u. K. Astronauts. Who could viably into the well this is quite interesting is that we dont you fear of course was the first british just wrote the first u. K. Astronaut the first briton in space however you want to write it and. Tim mission was once it was decided he was actually going to fly the u. K. Space agency did rather think that it could perhaps make it into a better p. R. Exercise if they called him the first british astronaut and so thats what they decided to do in case they thought the first british just drove the commonweal is that they thought that. Just forget that there had been one already but ive had a lot of support since that you gave him advice i would say to every astronaut id love looking at the window and i think to take some Short Missions which i know tim had a bit of a long mission a night it is quite a few months he was in space but we often so keen to do a good job and to repeat the experiment and communicate with Mission Control and to do the best that you possibly can but we often forget sometimes just to take a look out of that window and enjoy the view so yes that was my message to take even some will not agree with you though about the p. R. Given that theyve been trying to make representations to the waiters donald trump is one leaked paper looks set to cancel the u. S. Contribution to the space station what do you think of that decision if it indeed if it indeed comes to pass so i think ultimately ultimately in the years to come this is the way that Space Missions will go anyway as we have aircraft now that a society funded by the taxpayer will have spacecraft that arent commercialism in space is rapidly gaining momentum and the danger is that theyre dangerous potentially in terms of health and safety and it has evacuation environmental regulation that say it wants low space debris around the world we dont want to pollute other planets if companies are going to go there so the some elements we have to conscious of but actually i think its a jolly good thing also mentally it makes absolute sense for lets say the International Space station to be much more commercial and for the taxpayer then to be funding other missions but yet companies dont want to do it because some would say the reason why governments defunding it is not only the banking crisis is the failure of science communication and the failure to explain why programs such as ones you were on a recent program so important to society at large what about the state of science communication and i think no science communicator. Its better than his it has been for decades actually spaces helped because it had a few really great high profile events and with landed on the comet weve been to jupiter we can see further and better with hubble than weve seen before with fantastic images we get and also were able to reflect on that as a human race and what that means our place in the universe so its more than just the sun something thats brings it all to knife so all thats really great because certainly in britain people still in the media seem to be proud of ignorance. Is this divide still or pervasive here in britain its Getting Better but yes youre right there is there is an element of the idea that some by some people that is cool not to understand science listen i dont understand shakespeare that would be a definite no no but its sad to the same math so i cant do chemistry that is apparently an ok thing to say so that we need to turn around lots of people have a lot of opportunities now that never never were concerned with thank you. Britains first asteroid in space that was mysteriously edited out of mainstream narratives maybe because of russian good actions but they were the show will be back on wednesday to investigate whether there was a major civil war going on in syria between turkey and the u. S. Backed white p. G. 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