Oh and welcome to cross talk where all Things Considered im Peter Lavelle is the day of reckoning coming will the liberal Corporate Media ever own up to their dismal and even dishonest coverage of what is called russia gate there is growing evidence the media are at the very center of this fake scandal. The Fake News Media im joined by my guest charles or tell in new york he is a private investor and writer as well as the host of the podcast show sunday with charles also in new york we have don de bar hes an antiwar activist and host of a Daily Radio Program and in london we have garri he is the director of eurasia future all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want to go to adam first thing in london adam if i didnt know better watching the cable network. I would have thought that it is a next series a very bad series that should have been cancelled probably after its pilot but no its goes on in on and on and has no reflection to reality lets take for example the indictment of thirteen russians i looked at the c. N. N. And embassy in d. C. I didnt have any indication whatsoever they actually read the indictment and all they do is go on and on and on and we have Matthew Chance from c. N. N. In same St Petersburg russia going through the trash the garbage of that troll farm thats well i guess trash meets trash go ahead adam well that really is truly a marriage made in heaven and its symptomatic of the image of a kind of stereotypical image of what the Mainstream Media is doing the very sad part and there is a tragedy buried within the lies which themselves are wrapped up in a force and that is that these people who are peddling the russia gate myth have failed to even acknowledge that the United States is no longer a democracy and i sub about that i take no joy in saying it instead its a talk receipt which instead is super which itself is supervised by an all of this is made up of the military Industrial Complex foreign intelligence agencies the corporatocracy and this collective thing that we all know were not so much love as the deep state if they were truly concerned about democracy and the United States they talk about how to reform it to even get it back to a level where it is actually something that resembles rule of the people where the people listen to the people of being totally ignored and the only thing they talk about is russia russia didnt riggers a system that itself is rigged in an manner ok charles let me go to you because if you take your time and you look at it logically without bias and you know we could just take one major piece. This fake story that fake dossier by Christopher Steele but if you look at the timelines of all of the quote unquote leaks because theyre intentional is that you have all these mainstream outlets having knowledge or some knowledge of the dossier and they draw they dribble it out because they all thought because they were all liberal outlets that hillary was going to win anyway so nobody was going to be held accountable for it i could go through the the the outlets here the New York Times the Washington Post yahoo news the new yorker c. N. N. Mother jones reuters b. B. C. I can go on and on and you know this was an open secret if this is a scandal created by the media and then it just bounce bounce around their own echo chamber go ahead charles. I totally agree i mean we could go back before the obama years but lets start with the obama years and understand this scandal in context we have to ask the question who authorized Hillary Clinton to monetise the state department through her foundation using private servers or unsecure devices starting january twenty first two thousand and nine i mean and how come the media didnt look into any of that i think the answer is the media was captured certainly under the obama years by people who wanted to stay on the right side of the obama team wanted obama to be reelected so other virtues and hillary ultimately becoming president so they could carry on the same game this scandal is a classic example of gaslighting with the clinton team and the obama team in support of the media and support accusing the right wing of the trumpet ministration of the very things they were doing in spades which is from july tenth two thousand and fifteen it is in the Public Record the f. B. I. Had open an investigation into Hillary Clintons misuse of classified information we wont yet see a we ought public hasnt yet seen the Inspector General report when that report comes out i expect it will be explosive it could be a lot bigger than you know five hundred dollars worth of facebook ads and some midwestern state and this is this is all about miss mishandling of classified information potentially for the economic benefit of supporters of the Democratic Party in the deep state and possibly even into the zone of treason thats a real scandal and the Mainstream Media has dick discredited self in this country and around the world in my view you know don you know the interesting thing for me is that when. Rosenstein of all people to be on is that he was reading out that indictment i mean i think he needs he needs to get in front of a grand jury i mean seriously and hes reading it out i mean i didnt say classic example of taking out the garbage on friday that changed the topic here because by the way i think most in his team theyre all paid by the hour how many more hours they will get they going to be paid i mean are they going to be able to retire on this and support that or do. Children on this ok but don you know lets go back to the thirteen an indictment i mean when i saw it. I saw it on you tube i read the indictment and the first question that came to my mind well where is Christopher Steeles name what he did he wasnt registered as a Foreign Agent he didnt register with the federal Elections Commission i mean everything they accuse these young kids they were basically interns at this troll farm. Applies to Christopher Steele but. In the Mainstream Media that cable crazy people didnt even one of them there are legal experts didnt even draw that conclusion that was the first conclusion i came to go ahead. Well first of all you have to look at what exactly this indictment is coming from a grand jury and what the grand jury process is you know famously this been described as a process where a prosecutor can indict a ham sandwich this was term that was coined by the former head of the state court system here in new york who himself and set up getting indicted on his way out of his career and this is a process that took place a grand jury came out of the grand jury pool its it was in washington d. C. District Court District of Columbia District court the most heavily democratic yeah Election District or Court District in the United States and so if you look at polling data on what people believe about was quote unquote rushing gate democrats in a vast majority buy into this whole narrative and so the jury pool you have a group of people who are in a process that can will follow basically wherever the prosecutor leads them who are already inclined to buy into this thing and so they didnt require any evidence and actually none was presented in the indictment to the public we dont know what was shown to the grand jury but what they would cite as showing to the grand jury doesnt make a case of the thing itself no but john is also on top on top of this don also is that those russian nationals will never face trial they know that there isnt there is no extradition treaty between the two kind of i mean point was just that was yeah thats it i mean it was just for display here adam let me go to you because it was interesting for me in looking at a time like that because i wanted to Say Something to that ok let me go to adam well pick it up later and i just wanted to Say Something that point the point essentially is this if if i were running the group in St Petersburg if i were represented or own one of those corporate entities i would have it appear in a process and do discovery demand and you know send a corporation can appear by counsel not the press. Well they dont have to come and have them come and defend it and make them disclose the case because the reason that they brought it in the first place is exactly what you said these are people that will never end up in court theyre not planning to i would go in with a corporation and appear in court and do what discovery demand show us your case and really should to the public they dont want a case they just wanted a propaganda to score propaganda point here adam that the interesting thing about the timing of the indictments being announced is that it tries to try to hide the developing scandal real scandal that is developing at the d. O. J. In the f. B. I. This is another thing they do not want to talk about there are real facts there are real documents we have we have exchanges between people we know who they are we know what theyre talking about that is real Everything Else i mean the seventeen trolls i mean it wasnt even political you guys they were just trying to make money shake some money out of gullible american americans on facebook and twitter i mean it was a business probably wasnt politics go ahead adam first of all in terms of the f. B. I. And the d. O. J. What were seeing now is a bigger scandal than the overtly political impeachment of Andrew Johnson in the eight hundred sixty s. Because at least it was politicians who were being political albeit bending some of the rules which they themselves were supposed to abide by now we see agencies that are supposed to be apolitical theyre supposed to Police Things from becoming too political and too biased and they are acting on behalf of a Political Party and its party the leadership we have in the triangle of Bermuda Triangle if you will but between the f. B. I. The d. O. J. The Democratic Party and its just become a square because we can add the u. K. Intelligence in terms of this Christopher Steele a failed a failed u. K. Vote. The cia man lets put it that way who then went into writing bogus intelligence which was really just paid for fiction by the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic Party and instead of talking about this which just shows what an the United States is tragically become theyre talking about something in russia which also happens in india in pakistan throughout east asia you can buy where people on twitter or facebook comment on your posts like your posts interact probably the things youre talking about and its all perfectly legal its so perfectly legal to use a pseudonym online. And adams it adam before we go to the break our viewers have to take this on board how many other countries around the world in organisations that exactly what that troll farm did ok how many i bet you we could stay here for hours and name people that bought but thats never mentioned what about saudi arabia what about qatar what about turkey what about israel there its not mentioned no they werent meddling they meddle in our elections all the time gentlemen im going to jump in here were going to go to a short break and after that short break well continue our discussion on Fake News Media. Thats true we all were americans were smooth enough but what thats not us americans are crude ruthless huckster golf playing sharks thats who we are and thats who John Travolta is thats why i dont like to go barack obama thats why they love trouble. And thats just. The girl i want to do things or show everybody is doing a review very career like go away go to. Management. And they dont they they when they have them they have. Skimmed you need to feel that you need. Some yeah im them what do you how they become us awfully good what do you love do you. Do about the money if this. All mean that we could measure up lets talk more negative. With no make goods manufactured and sentenced to public wealth. When the roman closest to protect themselves. With the famous larry go around the sun with the one percent so. We can all middle of the room sick. Room i mean real news. Welcome to cross like where all things are considered im Peter Lavelle to remind you were discussing Fake News Media. Let me go back to charles in new york not that i feel sorry for him but you know whats the situation and im talking about the Mainstream Media the corporate Mainstream Media is that theyre so invested in this story that they can actually turn back i mean this is the problem theyve built up this imaginary world where theyre hiding under their beds at night with the light on it they actually i believe that they do believe its real because of their ideological blindness and hatred and theyve gotten so used to it that it has to it has to somehow succeed i mean look at Rachel Maddow do you use ever see her going on her program and say we were wrong and we i apologize to my viewers that aint going to happen under any circumstances whatsoever because it will go further and further up the chain you know luis mention is lunatic you know if the New York Times or the guardian disagrees with her well then theres working for putin you dont see it gets its gone to the point of madness go ahead charles. Well actually the real irony here is theres something called her where there was something called the journalist which was a list of journalists who all were sort of coordinating message and i suspect strongly one of the reasons the mainstream is resisting this story and pushing the wrong story is there are a lot of mainstream journalists and family members who likely were paid off out of this twelve million bucks that supposedly the democrats and Hillary Clinton campaign pushed in and we dont yet know how much of it came before the election and how much of it came after the election that is a massive scandal you should be able to buy a journalist by a Political Campaign i suspect thats. Believable illegal as well well let me go to don i dont know if its illegal but its certainly a moral ok and it really shows the level of professionalism that exists right now i mean this is the greatest irony because donald trump was never supposed to win in the minds of these people and thats why we see so many irregularities corruption fraud all kinds of things because they never thought they would have to own up to it i mean it was just business as usual rigged the democratic primary and then try to rig the general and then you close the circle here and thats really thats they have this cultural hatred for trump but theyre actually fearing for their their lives in many respect because the level of corruption the real swamp that they were living in is being exposed slowly but surely based on facts not opinions and i think thats what we need to stress most i dont say anything i havent been able to verify on c n n n m s n b c you know if you slip a little piece of paper in the door and write something you know theyll repeat it on air we already found that out go ahead. Well first of all in the Music Industry there was a practice known as payola radio deejays would basically solicit money from the producers or the artists you know musicians hear heres a hundred bucks play my record you know three times a day or something and this became a widespread practice and then there were criminal massive criminal prosecutions throughout the industry over this and this was just over how music gets played on the air its not something as fundamental to the operation of a society as the news and were talking about something you know of an entirely different order when were talking about what you know what were talking about here what charles was referring to so you have that to consider first of all secondly today you know ive always thought on the one hand theres some room in langley or somewhere where theyre cooking all this stuff up and spewing it out from someone having a big picture of the Massive Public relations effort thats been underway for a couple of years now to take trump out and to push this russian thing and yet im looking at the newsstand today the New York Times next to the New York Daily News and the New York Times it says essentially russia bots jumping on the chance to divide the you know American Public over the shooting in florida they said it in fewer words on the other hand right next to it theres a full page picture in the daily news of donald trump play