Help us to win some time maybe in two thousand play into our big because the main goal of the opposition to be represented in the parliament after two thousand point two one the were creating and were trying to create a big Political Force in order to go to united told people who do want Political Force and Political Parties now its very well known statistically people in urban areas though differently from people in the countryside or in the national republics and it is believed that the number of voter fraud is much higher in the countryside done in moscow now you said that you have a very clear political interest in moscow thats why youre doing that but from a democratic point of view one that has made my job better sounds to go to the regions and it drives the base there rather than saying in moscow where already people are quiet engaged politically theyre all there is another strategy that we should to normalize people and be so. We need to go to them to come to the polling station to go with we need to raise a turnout in big cities where we have more chances to win thats why we decided to work in more school and ten percent of voters. So we come to the municipal complain in most school we have two hundred six to seven independent deputies we have majority and seventeen districts in moscow. In two thousand and ninety and we will have a Municipal Campaign in some pictures of earth so we will try to repeal this success in the big cities i think that campaign was actually groundbreaking and made it give the credit to you whether or not they support your idea logically post i read in one of the interviews that you while you were helping in selecting those people who are running for the minister knowledge if you ask them questions about what they think russias policy in ukraine and what they what is their stance on crimea why on earth do you need Something Like that why do you need to bring big politics into that rather than focusing on that Capacity Building and the gys in the base isnt it more important to you shortly thereafter why why then he asked them about their views on Foreign Policy because as you know i was sometimes a member of a just russia. And then all what happened to this party to. This party has been destroyed. And there was there was a serious pollute between people who supported putin and who wanted to oppose pooter thats why we decided to support all of those candidates single minded people people who share the same values we support of those people who want to restore relations with the west with support of those people who. Want to have a democracy in our company a people and didnt use a pallet just need to take care of the yards of the local parish all of that they dont. Deal with ukrainian issues etc why dont you need to why dont you support and educate people any political persuasion because we we want to unite people with the same values with the same ideas and its very important because today they have rules like a lack of authority but they want changes not only in the district not only in more school they want to turn just for russia. To more room there will be united in the Political Party that you share in his saying well yes its very important for us but people who support question and people who support you may actually have the same values in having the rule for him having local in gage meant in having. You know corruption compay in both why did she give all ive been its impossible. Because. I kept moving that people supporting proof point to will be members of our Political Party as well here im going to example just as i told you before the beginning of this program i recorded it into your Monitoring Program but im more or less pushing but i do believe and i think ive been to some of the training that your party has organized there are some of those you are exceptional no no not at all there are a lot of people of many ages of Many Political persuasions actually are interested in making sure that those elections are conducted in a free and fair manner in accordance with the law i think that you see that is really really high during the end some so soup in the media absolutely yes but who is for that how can you support. That in this case you should share my i will use some way to use and support with a good call for my supporter to be all about your ideas we want to get a preview of the censorship in the media but its not about the values when you deal with the country you deal with the current problems and i agree that the t. V. Environment the media environment in russia is constrained but i dont think it was i think that you were for the independent court system the right absolutely of course i am for the independent course and im sure glad you put in the independent learners is only the newco so you supported this comes with legislation that gives him the authority to appoint judges for example so its not about independent core system. Of changes for russia well i dont think he appoints those judges and gives them that permission to be pliable to outside pressure and i think on a number of occasions he also talked about the need to reform that system and in fact from what i know he has actually just initiated the it and now the Justice Reform that was long advocated by Alexei Kudrin the well known liberal and im sure the person who youll share some values fred so there is all. Always and work all hours of their lives to cauldron is not even the member of the government appears still very influential or what do you think it will do me and very influential well if the person in his program was accepted as a blueprint for reform doesnt mean it was are you going to remember what you manage to carry out if you if you look at the polls and the latest other polls show that there is a Strong Demand for change in russia i think we would agree on that and even put it would agree on that but i think the way this demand for change manifest itself in this country is people saying we wait for the changes we want the authorities to make the changes remember that famous song by victor and soy we are waiting for the changes rather than saying we are to change and there is a fundamental difference between these two positions where you place the authority but they replace it with the they the government or with yourself that thing be changed about russia peoples expectations of who will be there are running the country whether it is the government or whether it is that. I think that people dont like to take risks they want changes but they want to take risks and i dont believe in the figures of the polls because i can give you some interesting facts about russian polls for example according to the polls putin has said it is six or eight to one percent of support things now and lonely there also mentions i dont belittle those figures because according to the same polls or at least one third of people never tell the truth to pollsters because you can imagine if somebody comes through a door or coal you and ask if you support groups to put them is better to say yes putting of course its the most popular politician in our country that are some doubts as to maybe fifty six fifty eight percent of support which would still be enough for him to carry fear of the police to get a bunch of. Eighty eight who can read the book or who are good. That in the room for you will find the same figures so what your fifteen percent of support in the. You know into a two line you have fifty two percent of support just one year before that and the one part of mr good cause i dont believe your story about historical parallels i think i dont think that ever of work and this is perhaps simplifying. The matters a little bit but can i ask you why i just want to tell dont believe in any polls that are for the situation can be changed drastically after the split over loop and i believe some split over loop because you know. The moods in the parliament in the government and the closed circle was put him there is a come some sort in the loop can i ask you a question about that because specifically about the Power Transition and the change of power in russia all the candidates in these elections including putting himself say that in principle they support. Powers need to be changed in their regular bases but i think for the kremlin the question is always not why but when and how. Putin tomorrow wakes up and decides you know ive been in power for way too long i just need to find something more exciting to do with the rest of my life do you think our country the state that it is right now with its very weak checks and balances for the system that exists today with a Law Enforcement that exists today with the levels of corruption do you think the country based system can withstand that. The change will do so secures pushing. The know the president or another constitution although there isnt a due to start in the Constitution Order to come for like put through for a model for because you dont please enter into his role or the Distribution Campaign again and that people will start fighting for property that the corrupt people. Exist within the system will try to seal monopole eyes deposition and get to get some precise fandoms out there that we dont believe will have will help us to reach this. List changes because i know that they want to. Restore relations with the west because theyre one dont they dont want russia to be as a lay to the one to restore relations with the west because they have already their children to start entirely and they have assets that you know your station of the day we dont russian side you know the russians that properly is ready for that will be a trigger to changes but people but till its not their very democratic they just say you know i dont know but i know the his through will come for it it will be. Like Movement Towards each other a little of the people saw their position will work of the growth of the Grassroots Level the leap will try to support this movement and i believe from changes but i think that it will happen until two thousand and twenty four because. The look of the problem in three part is. For example just russia there is no just russia anymore they have no even the Young Leaders young politicians held a prayer while he was in office q his seventy two or seventy three its his last campaign so there is no oil the price so we will have changes we will. You will see the change of political decoration in the parliament after two thousand and twenty one they like to call it political decoration so we need to build the base for the future Political Party at the Grassroots Level but at the same time there is a technological revolution we have the internet we have like hundreds in Technology Mr gadhafi you know that we do not edit this interview thats why i have to give our viewers a very short break well be back in just a few moments. With the politicians. Put themselves on the line to get accepted or rejected. Sold you want to be president. Wanted. To be like. This is like. Im interested. The want to do is a. Very very. Well. Management. And they are they they are then they. Need to build. Something what do you how much. Do you. Mean that we could measure. Welcome back to worlds apart make sure good call for an opposition politician here in russia the former member of parliament. Just before the break we were talking about the current state of russia and. You were expressing a very dim view of whether or not anything can change at least for the current authorities in power and its interesting that this current elections i think already. Being branded a corner according to different sort of problems for example just six years ago politicians have from nonparliamentary parties have to get two million votes now that there has been trustingly decreased the territorial. Simple off voting has been also scrapped as much as you people from the opposition like to say that its the same all the actions but the very predictable results dont you think that the police theyre a little bit the system itself electoral system a little bit more accommodating to both voters and people who run it used to be lets say some sixty years ago i can see just a little difference in the same time. It depends on who the. Opportunity to to be registered and to participate in the selection is a week old just know the tomorrow of putting created was denied registration. His considered as a strongest liberal politician that will come for i mean you know on the his the most popular figure in the whole country i mean in the opposition and he was to purchase appeared on this and i think people believe that this is the people you see on the part of it was all just a negative impact on the early because nobody knows how many all know exactly what i do. And its a problem and thats why many people refuse to go to the polling stations to vote because they dont believe in any change of russia so i assume that its not the rulership election its not the vote its not an election but of the same time i support. To purchase a big with a license to do Everything Possible to create a Political Force for the future away from the work of the Grassroots Level can i enjoy your attention to the current elections because you mentioned the war there for a change before i would think that scrapping this territorial. Principle of voting allowing people to vote out polling stations of their choosing rather than where they are registered creates a great opportunity for the opposition because dad measure would be most appealing to younger urban populations with higher degree of social mobility people who are more likely to have liberal progressive or. Brass if be used and if those people are allowed to vote here in moscow. Isnt that actually a good thing for the opposition dont you think that that may. Just mean for you review because for example people who wanted to vote for a latino widening his norm of the bell at least he was refused and he was denied registration. Because of the politically motivated Court Decision salt and you know and thats why i like people that dont you know sort of this elections as a real elections and its a problem. Well it may be horrifying him going you know to the polling station to all of course. It will. Watch t. V. To see how the rivals participate in discussions about. The reason millner the cold conditions for all candidates. If not everyone is registered. Its not an election well i strongly disagree with you and i actually was you know this is a group ive heard in the only interviews you said not so long ago that most closed in large a largest urban community in russia and here. During the last elections back in two thousand and twelve put in one but he got less than fifty percent of the polled so he supported in bigger cities is actually weaker than in the countryside if you add to that possibly hundreds of thousands of people who work in this city but who told before i think that is actually a major party the best opportunity the opposition have in this country and you dismissing it as a non opportunity is funny to me because i. Mean why are only saying there are you see im going to vote i have my counted the im going to vote for you or you lose q. And i have a political obligation to him to support him because he supported me and when i was running for the state parliament lets imagine what for example in the in the supporters do or during the election they have no candidate to vote for but that you mentioned i by using the court of florida is not going to go to the green go to your music as you say is on the ballot and he represents one of the oldest liberally minded opposition parties in brusha if you really believe in the values of ali supporters vote for him and shouldnt a volley be somebody if he believes in values rather he met his own candidacy shouldnt he be. Encouraging is this what is called for you to do for him to show theres a different question its a question to avoid this is a question i asked i dont support his strategy to break coalitions but im going to vote im going to go to the polling stations but to never consider this election as a rule is it is it fair to say that in this particular case now vali is putting hes own personal ambition above the democratic liberal values is that a fair statement. Or would say that i come on the i can understand what he said i wanted because he was. Conducted the complaining the last year but hes not racist but i can understand his emotions were the same term of course we have candidate from the liberal forces going to what do you see in yourself in the i im going to vote for you even. I supposed to participate in the elections and to support those who use critics who will be in the belly least but it doesnt mean the this is a real bolt on the actual one Prominent Russian liberal bias said recently that one of the secrets of putdowns political lead to. Put it away or aside the administrative resource and like the certain electoral patterns in russia if you just focus on his political personality one of hes. One of the secrets to his appeal is that he successfully works with three main strands of the russian electorate the left the nationalists until last year extend the liberals even though i personally believe that hes starting to corinth out there deliberately camp. Now if hes. Opponents do that they present themselves in the varo very narrow political lie they are either nationalist or liberal can you win can you challenge. The status to that he represents by presenting yourself in such narrow terms by presenting yourself as a lets say a liberal candidate. I cant agree with im going to. Put in the successful because there is no political competition for him so you can just switch on the to the new you will see only put. I mean during the elections i mean before the elections there was only putting on the t. V. And there is no more for elections there is no conditions for political competitions thats why hes a popular if you discounting any appeal of his political place you know some of the problem to look good when. You dont participate in two debates or disc