Is their military doc i dont think i dont. Listen i like the doctrine im not convinced however that it would always guide russian behavior i want to get back to the world youre describing where the United States and russia are both very clear that they dont feel each other as adversaries and they dont envision you needing these weapons against reading that read the work thats the world reading that report is very adversarial i mean almost every few paragraphs its very adversarial i mean im sorry michael but it was directed against the United States in china ok ten seconds before we go to the break go ahead michael. It was directed against russia and china youre right and i agree that its a unfortunate state but i think it was brought a bond brought upon largely by perceived russian aggressiveness in this domain whether you agree with that perception or not thats what ok well so were going to go to a break here but i want to point out to our viewers that it wasnt russia that overthrew the legitimately elected government in kiev in february two thousand and fourteen after a short break well continue our discussion on the Nuclear Posture review state with. Manufacture consent to public wealth. When the ruling classes protect themselves. With the final. Lift certainly the one percent. We can all middle of the room see. The best out of. The concept of paying to perform i actually myself to. Heed what. Has most of. This in home. Turned. Her. Scanty boasts. So well see. What. Was it he could with us he was just that yes i did nation so i took it to education. Welcome back across like were all things are considered im peter a belter mountain were discussing the Nuclear Posture review. Ok kevin id like to point out to our viewers you know this is a very heated here but this is a very important topic of course michael did write something in usa today but its gotten very little coverage in on the cable stations which i think is really an indication of just how. These kind of issues were taken out away from the Public Square because i think people should be talking about these things theyre having said that kevin it seems to me that there are some lessons being on learned here and we call that mad mass destruction and it seems to me the u. S. Is on learning that all the Major Nuclear powers all understand that you know thats probably why they havent been used ok since the first used by the United States at the end of the Second World War it seems to me the u. S. Weeding this past year is moving away from that again thinking the thinkable go ahead ken. Well these are all weapons and here we are in the era of trump where you know christmas of two thousand and sixteen trump says mr brzezinski flippantly let it be an arms race so you know no lessons are learned from history here its fascinating how this goes back to World War Two if you look at a book like it says the decision to use the atomic bomb a big part of the american decision to use atomic weapons in japan in august one thousand nine hundred five was to tell the soviet union where to get off that the United States was in charge little did the us know that the soviets were just four years away from their own Nuclear Weapon because they had infiltrated the Manhattan Project at los alamos and montreal they had spies everywhere getting that information and then with the Hydrogen Bomb it was an even quicker turnaround between the americans and the russians we have to get over this american russian chinese thing these are on the side of weapons we can wipe out our species as dan ellsberg warned in his book were talking about in the late one nine hundred fifty s. The ability to kill six hundred Million People in a short period of time those are the old days were now talking about the ability to wipe out in full Scale Nuclear war many billions of people very quickly and with Nuclear Winter that may take care of the rest of the human population so if we want to survive as a species we have to abolish these weapons its as simple as that well i mean the United States is a member of the nonproliferation treaty and it is obligated to do that again thats not mentioned in the report least that i didnt see it a deal in let me let me go to you here i think theres something much broader going on here and i think this posture is really all about how the United States sees its you know polar moment with the end of the cold war shrinking that window is getting its closing and i think it is lashing out its threatening its saying that the that russia and china are revisionist powers i have a hard time believing that both countries want to go back to the basic principles of the. Did nations charter ok as i mentioned before the end of the program the United States trips around the world overturning governments involved in seven different wars without any kind of United Nations mandate and they say that russia and china are revisionist powers i mean that is like the pot calling the kettle black go ahead adrian london. This is this is simple orwellian double speak from america. Im not talking about American People i mean i have Many American friends. Who are. Intelligent people when it comes to. The upper echelons of of american political sphere. Get the sense and feeling that they are behaving like a spoiled brat who is dissatisfied with the fact that world is no longer looking towards them with the emphasis as it was before. The attacks on russia today with the attacks on russia as a whole as a. Teen or you know china it is emphasizing it is insecurity that. Its values or its point of view can be a challenge and this is whole thing about move to polarity that you and i can you know go to the t. V. Screen or whatever go to any country and get the source for ourselves to know the news and then assess them according to our knowledge and intellectual abilities but america doesnt want that and its you know its funny. To me as a grotesque as a person who was brought up in poland. Knowing Radio Free EuropeRadio Liberty was the radio that you know my grandparents or my you know my my parents were listening you know with their friends in some places. Far away from the by the communists i mean and. I know we have to today i lived in poland in the one nine hundred eighty s. I remember all of that had a very very clearly. Only remember that from from my view you know from my familys you know stories that you know they were gathering in some you know this place is going to be not all right the police will not get distracted here michael let me go to you i mean do you see any circumstances were the United States would resort to nucular weapons over some islands in the South China Sea or poland i mean or ukraine excuse me no i dont however i can let me say one thing to frame a little bit of where this is coming from i understand why people who see donald trump and some of his behavior and some of his rhetoric would think of this in one way i want to underscore it was secretary of defense jim battles of moment of this document obviously it was we all know we are now doing the topic to the world about donald trump it was not about because the im going to be very. My go go you are going to have a very long go ahead you are very long and your comment got me to my grief in my head my comment is secretary of the matter is a very thoughtful guy and hes not going to use or recommend the use of Nuclear Weapons cavalierly and he does perceive a strong russian assertiveness in the Nuclear Government ok he thinks he might go back again ok they dont want to because. Hang on here michael you know its madness is madness bluffing is just a bluff then. Is this whole document a bluff to scare people its partly it was that no but its partly psychological it is partly to point out to russia that if theyre going to be threatening with exercises with buzzing aircraft with doctrines or concepts on who to dion who has border and recently who was on the order michael americas border on that on the eastern seaboard of california is out there is not the border youre talking about you know my views on ok really i mean you know my views on nato expansion i think its gone far enough i agree with your concern that we need a new Security Architecture for Eastern Europe i hear your point on that issue but nonetheless its russia thats buzzing nato airplanes thats attack it whether its nato arab league perceives it and thats what i was saying russias borders you know if the russian planes had that on the same base as a regular basis over new york what do you think the response would be outrage ok weve already had that kevin let me go to you here is there going to be a new arms race here because you know what the u. S. This kind of document is what the third report this year about its posture its all military its all force its all about head gemini ok it is and you know because of the hostility that comes out of washington towards beijing towards the moscow they will react with a what is a u. S. One hundred an arms race then theyll get one ok what good does that do for the world go ahead kevin right there it will be an arms race trump said let it be an arms race lets spend a trillion three or more you know look how close we came you mentioned the buzzing of borders look at the cuban missile crisis if not for vassily off on a soviet sub voting against launch of a nuclear tipped torpedo that the u. S. Did not even know was there we we could have wiped out the human race in october of one nine hundred sixty two the man who saved the world it happened again in one thousand nine hundred three with stanislav. A soviet Nuclear Commander who refused to. Believe the glitch in the computer that mistook a sunrise for a Nuclear Watch by the United States we have played with fire for seventy five years with these Nuclear Weapons and if we continue to do this its going to be the end of our species thats what beatrice fan of the International Campaign for the abolition of Nuclear Weapons warned just a couple months ago at the nobel prize ceremony we either abolish these weapons or they will abolish us thats whats at stake here. One of the things that if we get these lower grade weapons dont you think thats going to entice countries for example south korea japan and saudi arabia i mean if you can play with little nukes ok thats not so bad ok i mean it what it is is it normalizes Nuclear Weapons for a second tier powers i mean how does that make the world safer i cant understand it i mean maybe brazil and you know argentina will get in the axe to i mean the United States has said oh a positive precedent the only country in the world to ever use Nuclear Weapons against a civilian population a country that didnt have those weapons they were going backwards go ahead. I mean. That recent move america just literally. In the food because. It opened the opportunities for other countries to you know to say look if the americans are grading themselves what of all of us theres no you know the safety of any more talking about you know north korea and attacking north korea were to me what doesnt mean mini nukes it is still a nuke is a still Nuclear Weapon so it still harms people who are over there so our i will never you know before this motion im strongly against using a any type of Nuclear Weapons because as youve mentioned you know we were less and i mean at least us you know my generation had the lesson from the hiroshima nagasaki so i dont want to see people in the career my contemporaries being you know so much devastated as the japanese where. Time so i dont believe and you know its posing one serious question if america wants to lead the world what does it says their moves their recent move moves and you know the actions were going to limit let me jump in here i want to be fair i want to give michael the last word here michael you know maybe maybe the Silver Lining in all this is that maybe russia china and the United States can actually sit down and maybe start thinking about a new architecture for the use of these weapons maybe go ahead michael. Yeah i hope so peter im hopeful that were actually at the worst of it now or maybe even coming out of it and i do agree with president trumps inherent instinct that u. S. Russia relations should not be so bad and that we need a new approach unfortunately as you know were still bogged down in the twenty six thousand Election Debate here so its sort of impossible the United States right now to move beyond that at the moment but i am hopeful that were going to be able to move out of that on the tactical on the issue of the low yield. Nuclear weapon i think youre exactly right peter earlier when you said there really is no meaningful distinction we shouldnt think these weapons are somehow more usable again if i want to interpret for you what i believe the pentagon views as the reason for doing this they see that russia has a lot of tactical Nuclear Weapons they dont want russia to get the sense that somehow only russia can engage in this kind of coercive activity and therefore i want to push back on that on a hopeful that wants to move on that last point there we have run out of time gentlemen many thanks to my guests in washington and in london and thanks to our viewers for watching us here see you next time and remember. Despite its history the soviet union you know. This was not about the use of those from. The children. With. You if you were the first some of you to limp with nine hundred fifty two when you did see a concentration camp prisoners and from slime soldiers. Here with your. Im much. 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A glittering Opening Ceremony holds the start of the twenty eight thousand Winter Olympics in south korea but people in chiang celebrate the event protesters take to the streets there angry at the participation of the North Koreans and again. For dozens of russian athletes the opening of the games is overshadowed by fridays decision of the court of arbitration for sport at the very last moment pass dismiss their appeals against the doping related ban. Right supporters clash with police in an italian city that suffered a racially motivated shooting last week and then massive debate over growing nationalist emotions in the country. And a prominent anti harassment activist of the meaning to the movement is accused by at least two men of sexual misconduct. Good to have you with us this evening my names neil harvey this is r. T. And. The Winter Olympics in south korea have officially begun it all kicked off with a grand Opening Ceremony in the host region yong chang nearly three thousand deaths from ninety countries took part in the Opening Ceremony of what is the fifty third winter games our correspondent philip are trying to has more from the event. The young chang is flashing lights ive heard it roar a few times it is happening at the Opening Ceremony of the winter Olympic Games waiting saying oh the koreans these guys definitely know how to put up a show and done the audience just take the famous rapper psi who wants to rock the world with his hand on the dial but to this Opening Ceremony is special for many other reasons so let me just name a few that is the north and the south korean team was marching under the same flag then the oh a our team or the olympic athlete from russia marching without their flags and this is the first time we dont see them wash and black out and a little bit Opening Ceremony since one thousand nine hundred two back then the athletes from the former soviet republic march under the i. O. C. Flag after the collapse of the soviet union also at todays ceremony the American