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Focuses on the lives of women and nazi occupied paris i reset to slater to speak to a number of Holocaust Survivors from that time and several journalist author and historian welcome to the alex semin to thank you for inviting me thanks to you to see and about the leap out is in which is a lot to ask at least five years of research and mention some of the stories and if you can give us an idea of how you came across of these wonderful women dont forget weve grown up in a time of peace and plenty weve never known fear but these women really experienced fear so i think thats one of the main things i i cant imagine that id ever be as courageous course we hope we would be but suppose we take a woman like us let test ila do still is still alive and living in peril still alive today who i think of often because she was only a child she and her sister madeleine were looked after by their mother because of fatherhood already being taken prisoner they were jewish family in the heart of paris and i think it needs to be said that many of these jewish families felt as if they were french they were proud to be jewish but they really identified as french they love france and it was the country of zoeller of rousseau so aflat whos now in her late eightys and the wonderfully elegant palaces e. N. Told me her story how they were rounded up in july nine hundred forty two one of these big roundups that the vision government undertook for the germans called the a half of the duval deve haslam means roundup and velde eve because they were taken to a sports stadium which was highly unsuitable for a matter of hours let alone days and people were held there for five days in boiling heat and are left who told me what it was like to be there and how they were taken by train then to another camp and most people were shipped on to one of the concentration camps mostly auschwitz where they were killed. Let and her sister and her mother by a series of really clever ruses persuaded the germans to let them come back into paris they said theyd hidden further as the germans really needed further of siberia and machines to turn furs into coats that were really important for the german army so they came back into paris and then they consciously thinking of course i cant we dont have a vine king thats whats so amazing when your life is hanging by a thread in that circumstance yes and they were persuaded by their mother to jump off a moving train to lie between the wooden sleepers and then the mother came back and collected them then they walked into paris the mother managed to hide them with people paying out of scraps of embroidery that cheated and paid for them to survive the war and then after the war when the mother discovered because what all the persians had to do they went to the hotel new tayseer where there were great lists put up of people who were coming back and whether they had survived or not and after a while she realized that her husband who was her childhood sweetheart obviously wasnt coming back at that point the mother commit suicide and these two children are made orphans of state and asked let todays so positive and smiling and elegant and she goes into schools and she tells these stories because she believes like me that its really important to tell these stories of of survival to tell the stories of refugees because as you rightly say were still suffering the world is still turned upside down with refugees being displaced and where do they go and whos looking out for them and how can we help them most no difference really found the ana and what we do continue to write and you can continue to enjoy the tremendous insight you have with the survivor. Friends and members of their family this must have affected you personally when speaking to people and wanting an impact of yourself as a writer journalist and historian and meeting people with many great thirtys thats an interesting question how can it not and you know your constantly thinking partly of your responsibility to tell these stories accurately not to be judge mental to understand the courage of sometimes think teenagers one woman i met on the death march who had completed the death march with her mother but when she was a teenager she used to deliver pamphlets in paris and she told me how she used to walk from one mattress station to another as she thought because star power were waiting for her how on earth could i imagine that i would have found that courage sir it certainly made me feel that one has to be a bit more courageous in life but also yes there were many nights when i lay awake and i thought. I dont want to exploit these stories but on the other hand i think it is very important that theyre told so does have it does have that effect on you all right well answered i thank you very much indeed for sharing your experiences with us thank you for talking to me. A key aspect of remembrances to celebrate the cheapened of refugees and survivors and the mind the souls of poor of this world would be if they had not been saved was news to his mother mary came to london on the very last trumans part of the conduct transport Programme Welcome to the excitement show during alex thank you for having me your mother to do a great deal of what she remembers of topics like to hold was what it should remember about getting on the train what was the last time she saw your granddaughter well she remember. Sitting on her papas knee and him saying to her if you hear yes i know youre in england so she knew those words in english then she said that you remember going to the station and she was really excited to go and see a train in the station and she was with her from vienna this is from vienna she was holding her mother and fathers hand and her and she was there as well and she was skipping towards the train loads of people at station then she turned around and her mother had gone her father had gone and she was Holding Hands with her auntie and she was looking around for mom or pop or a bearing in mind she was this high and then the next thing she knew she was pushed on the train and turned around and her auntie was gone and then she started to get frightened and started to cry and she couldnt see over the window so you know the train was here and my mother couldnt see out of the window so she just started to cry to them to understand what happened wired up and i think probably years later but she was picked up at heritage and then she went to a family in london and she was not a jew from no i mean a lot of the jewish families wouldnt take the children and i mean thats quite common language and i dont know if it was fear about you know what would happen to them but they a lot of them went to gentile families and so my mother didnt even know she was jewish until she was eleven anyway determined to reclaim jewish heritage well she didnt really know anything about it until she left she was which was brought up into this family and she was a companion for their daughter and my mom came with some beautiful boots as a child and beautiful clothes from vienna and all of these clothes were given to this other child and so she lay there in this little bed and she stood say that used to lie on the end of her bed oh my god this is going to make me cry so she used to lie on the end of her bed. Its come you think. The impact of these of us who succeeds dont new generations show up because it makes you so you know aware of your mortality for a start. How how brave my grandparents were this tiny little girl had no one so when i was born she was so she looked after me she loved me so much but she had she really didnt know how to be a mom herself so when eleven years old she went to the beacon in Tunbridge Wells which is where all the children went and i think that would probably be just after the war had finished or but when the war was finishing she was sent to the beginning and then she met all the other children whod been on the can to transport children that came over and they are they were all together in this place in Tunbridge Wells and thats when my mum started to realise who she was and that and that was the story yes and then then she got the telegram because then they were all given telegrams about saying what had happened to their parents and she said all the other kids are getting telegrams sister alive brother alive mary grabbing her parents exam and i said that was it so she just thought well and the. News was broken just in the form of in the form of a telegram parents exterminated that was the end so your mom after thinking she was alone in the world all of a sudden a brother pops up to tell you how she felt when she was introduced to a course with well uncle joseph found her and the reason that he found her was that her father was in ash and he found his father in auschwitz and he said to his father said to his son you have a sister in england and you have to go and find her so joseph escapes from auschwitz which is very rare not many people did and he came to find his sister in england and he found her remember and i met uncle joseph and the first thing my mother showed me was the number on his arm for most of you and the he also was able to give you more information about the family yes saying that you know his father was a comedian that he was a big star in the initiatives are so well to be a she became a teacher. And then she had to put twenty was she married she married my dad my dad was a very big star then and she married him she had about a jewish dance and he. Found because he always wanted to adopt one of the children from the kids transport so when he found her he brought it home to his house and sunderland and said look i found my refugee said he he got it from the very beginning if you like so he kidnapped her and took him to some land which. Really wasnt. But she did very well and then he became ill and because he was very very successful he took the plate in three times in three months and his career was just taking off. To have a fantastic time away are the better and there are just too strong yeah there i had a brain tumor and then my mom had to learn how to survive without him and of course a friend of hers to just open a nightclub in newcastle and he asked her if he could ring up somebody to to book him and my mum then became an agent do you think knowing the background of your family if. You more determined go or world you know emotional robots too but i still think your values are very different when you know what youve come from because you are you know the child of a refugee. So therefore things that are transients dont mean that much i mean you know my mother always used to say remember the thing about fame as well because my father was very famous and shes to say to me and you can forget about fame darling because you cant take it to bed with you and it doesnt love you at night it doesnt pay the bills so its made us all very very levelheaded when we see the stories of other refugee families. And the success theyve achieved in a range of human and do you have a feeling of solidarity as of yes justification yes i do with i feel that with any people that have had family in the kinda transport of people that have lost people in the holocaust i feel she actually connected to them because i think that the thing is now everythings become very diluted we are in a very sort of Cosmopolitan Society so theres mixes of everything but i feel what we went through i still feel its still feel its part of me its never left me i dont know if my children feel the same but its definitely part of me what message you think. It is which except refugee terms of the potential for good which often comes out of it yes i mean i think people should look after refugees i really do i understand that you know that there is a possibility that that theres a huge influx of people but i think when theres a war and we can help people why wouldnt you listen to your life story your mom story particularly when your family is living testament firstly to what actually happened to people to their families thats really important the story is told yes absolutely i mean you know we hear what happened to our family you know there are people today that said that a local color course didnt exist well it did otherwise there are millions of people that have been wiped out we dont know where they are something definitely happened and we have to acknowledge that and we have to acknowledge it enormously and our children its a very important part of history. And those of us of survived yes families of us of you who have survived through your mother yes im a huge contribution to their adopted country oh yes well i mean my mother just loved that she was proud to be british she was so proud to be british and i think weve helped so many people in this country and we should carry on doing that its really important. Thank you so much thank you. It is no over seventy years since the full horror of the extermination camps was revealed and thats the voices of the last first hand testimony the survivors are still in the priority must be to preserve the next generation of the opportunity to remember the reality of the holocaust. 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The concepts of paying to perform i had to actually prepare myself to die. He did what to say when i asked him. As most are. You to slow in home or stop trying to her. Scanty clothes. And he had the goods. So well see if you think. It was that he could with us the. Yes get more machine so he told me she. Libyan mans fight for justice against nato could go to europes Top Human Rights Court as he claims he lines killed his family during a raid in twenty eleven. Now we explain why our house and other houses were show all the military targets i dont understand why nato targeted our house. From extortion to drug deals one of the biggest u. S. Police corruption scandals reveals an abuse of power within an elite task force in the secure baltimore. And tech giant facebook relating to cryptocurrency products as part of the policy against socalled deceptive marketing. Its Eleven Oclock am in moscow and youre watching R T International live from our studio here with me in india today welcome to the program the libyan man who lost his whole family during a nato bombardment in the country is planning to take his fight for justice to the European Court for human rights the International Alliance reportedly dropped two bombs on his house during a campaign back in twenty eleven. Now we demand that need to explain why our house and other houses were showing all the military targets i dont understand why nato targeted our house sadly my dear wife died as well as my cousins my innocent children our neighbors our friends were there with those it was a monstrous crime and nato has the latest equipment and technology which allows them to accurately determine the targets of the nato aircraft struck specifically at night when people were in their homes they intentionally hit civilian targets hospitals schools gas stations they destroyed all the infrastructure they were killing civilians and destroying civilian infrastructure apparently knowing there were no weapons there. You can see here on the map where the shelling took place by nato forces as kelli described thirteen people were killed in the attack including three children he admits his house may have been targeted because his father was a general who served under libyas former leader Moammar Gadhafi but cali says it was just a family home with no weapons or threat the lawsuit was filed almost seven years ago but hes faced an uphill struggle since to actually get his case into court nato argues that it had no evidence suggesting civilians were in the house at the time of the bombing however calis says his lawyers have now found a way to overcome the alliances immunity in such incidents and he hopes his case will set a precedent for those who also lost their families. We gathered our families in different parts of libya we found a man whose wife daughter and son as well as his mother died during the shelling there were other families in other cities a lot of families we compiled a report from all identified victims after having documented in photograph the material was so that this case would become a historical precedent. Where the rates in the u. S. City of baltimore skyrocketed in twenty seventeen with fifty six killings per one hundred thousand people a new record for the city that already has a reputation for being dangerous and crime rate. Few cities in body america never been to a more depressing leaving the city of Baltimore Baltimore struggles with a record high murder rate. Murder. People. Yes baltimore there is a robust a