General election joining me now is the founder of the big issue crossbenchers lord bird who is proposing the creation of a new body to curb the excesses of capitalism on bird welcome back to going underground so whats governments response to your proposal for a poverty prevention unit well when i spoke to her previous to the election just before a few days before she announced it. She liked the idea of looking at this how you could make all departments passed through the prism of how does this relate to prevention she like the idea of it are made the point to save or making it the most units never really car use so theyre bureaucratic n. G. O. S here i mean that is one of those form filling in an order and we know damn well that every every government minister and their departments are told clearly a lot. You know chasing the greyhounds chasing the rabbit of their department and then you know in the slightest bit interested in working across party and across government so you really got to get these people and bang their Heads Together thats why you need a unit when you as a crossbenchers work in the house of lords baronets busk d. W. B. Undersecretary states and employment is at an all time high in rejecting your proposal it sounded to me like in the house of lords so poverty prevention unit at a time when weve never had it so good when it comes to employment. Well it seems to be the what do you make of a response as a as the government well i you know you know people have to make responses you then have to move on and and do what im carrying on with the concept of what im calling a Prevention Alliance which is across both houses across all parties and im trying to get the government to turn that into a unit so there is measurable and the heads are not together would you recall when people say and well John Mcdonald also just previous to the deputy just previous to the elections said if youre going to see to raise or this is well before you know if you got to see teresa tell her that we are up for working in a nonpartisan way around dismantling poverty you see the the problem is about seventy percent of all the efforts the government of the both houses are round poverty and its effects so were always dealing with this even if were dealing with the environment were dealing with all sorts of things im poverty is there all over the place so poverty is to every radical poverty were almost talking about creating a day of small government a day of a Small NationalHealth Service a day of a vigorous Education System only things if we dismantle poverty so John Mcdonald and tereza my and other people realize that the writing is on the wall we cant just keep trying to give the poor a little bit of a bit of better conditions my argument and it is maybe because im a marxist catholics on the bit weird there my argument is that we have these people who victims and we have these people call rescuers and they the never the twain shall me theres always a lot of people doing a lot of good for the victims but i know. Never get them out of victim ship or even if it is a good thats thats arguable when one could say because surely the forces of capital have found a way to solve the situation i mean i know the shelter which runs well into a few personal problems of the greenville tower its a directors skipping over that theyre saying one million risk homelessness in the next two and a half years private renters at the moment but havent the voices of capital. Social cleansing move all these people out of the big cities or the companies in or out then what happens is you move them all you move into something Something Like grand will happens and instead of having to spend say a pack a pound on a problem you have to spend a thousand and whats happened with grumble is its alerted people to the fact that we have been getting increasingly were moving further and further away from the concept of social housing and with that where were allowing borrowers like Kensington And Chelsea who have a real problem their big problem is how does a posse borrow with a shed load of money on a log bridge people how can that how how can they relate to a very very poor part of the bar where youve got people who are destitute as anywhere else in the u. K. Its very very difficult who has learnt to you know see the pasha off and make sure they get all that they want you know paying their rates and at the same time help people who are absolutely desperate its almost like asking people to be schizophrenia you know the two opposites and that is why that is why we need we dont need to believing we can lean poverty to local authorities we have to have a almost a kind of minister of poverty a minister who looks after who runs of the poverty unit who runs the prevention unit and is in a in a way struggling to cope. Find a balance all of this and bringing people into the fray rather than just leaving it to Kensington Chelsea or westminster westminster its some of the poorest people this isnt Tower Hamlets this isnt you know this isnt you know south sheffield is a mill and i should say Labor Councils arguably do the same as the library. Unisa paul you missed municipal socialism is as guilty as municipal conservatism in this area the most revolutionary idea arguably youve come up with and im surprised that you know whether you thought you were going to get it through the private members bill given the property is the bedrock of capitalism you wanted to treat private rent is the same way. Young. People getting moved it is due yet there is only about the private members bill because it seems pretty fundamental its what happened to it and what is it its a its a private members bill its had its First Reading its Number Thirteen in the list certain it will at some stage get a second reading but that might take a year or two so im trying to just tell me what im trying to push it forward the idea is that what you do is if you got a mortgage tomorrow and a year later your Credit Rating would youre create rating would go up the more you pay your mortgage if if i am living in rented accommodation of been there for ten years that the people who decide your Credit Rating say im sorry youre in rented accommodation so what youve got is youve got to go i mean its them and asked over Credit Rating now the problem is if youve got a low Credit Rating that means you got to pay more for your credit whether its bart getting into a mortgage whether aspiring white goods whether its going on a holiday whether its buying School Uniform for the children so whats happens is youre paying more so the poorer you are the more youre paying because even though youre paying the rent and the council tax so what were doing is were saying no no no youve got to change it so the big issue invest which is a part of the big issue has over the last three years lifted quite you know i think in the region of over a Million People working with experian good capitalist Country Company we working with them and weve helped to raise peoples Credit Rating eighty percent of the people we work with so were talking about over a Million People who are paying less for their credit which means to say that theyre not being penalized simply because they are paying rent there whether any thing good could have come out of the original atrocity in Kensington And Chelsea i mean we talked about. Increases in almost as i think the ninety seven percent down and terms of social housing says David Cameron addresses may went to the government do you think the way theyre reporting the aftermath of grandville the faces of Mainstream Media they actually look frightened as if they suddenly realise the kinds of issues youve been talking about for two three decades maybe. Are or do are do think as a kind of bit of the writing on the wall i think were all a bit cheesed off with the way that were treating the poorest the most needy the way that any borrowers they always move their poor into the same area so for instance you could be bringing up your children you could be having a very very hard life you could be on a minimum paid work it and theyll move you into social housing where youve got other people who are very very similar so in a way it kind of depresses everybody or im talking about and ive been advocating is that we dont need more social housing what we need is more social housing and sociable housing is where you and i and other people in our children and grandchildren wherever one of our we all mix in together so there isnt a gated community i think gated communities are a killer for the people who live in them because it turns them into zombies social zombies and it also turns pit it kind of is them and us so i ive been talking about social housing. Rather than just social housing and that is where you mix it up it used to be mixed in other areas other times where i lived in a slummy part of notting hill after the Second World War there were people who were there was slums here and then there were other people right now theres this kind of cleansing notting hill is is a new kind of slum its a really really posh. Lot but thank you after the break art of vandalism we speak to the artful dodger about using spray paint to fight against Police Brutality tourism a and social cleansing and from the headlines will be finding out who is striking at the heart of the Health Service and taking a cheeky peek at some poverty pong ball the ball coming up about fear of going underground. For. 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Welcome back with me now as broadcaster and former liberal democrat member of Parliament Member to pick them bit before we go on to your real newspaper stories i noticed a lot of interest in this country about the diana story in the daily mirror saying British Police told me Princess Diana was murdered death quest dr is dead son was Collateral Damage implored what do you make of all this you see the documentary it continues to be the Conspiracy Theory of the day its been going on for twenty years now frankly somebody saying i was told that Princess Diana was murdered isnt really proof is it i mean ok maybe maybe she was maybe she wasnt but on the balance of evidence is that the main thing you got to talk about she died it was tragic the princes of chad their hearts which is far more interesting lets get on with the news this is from Global Research yes global star says u. S. Has budgeted forty nine Million Dollars for venezuelan right wing since two thousand and nine its not that much here in the Country Club Area of caracas maybe maybe where you come from i think its quite a lot because these are the people who are complaining about president maduro and suggesting that hes not up to the job youve probably seen in the western media a lot of complaints about madeira saying that its corrupt saying that its becoming a despot and the americans quite keen to stir it up none of this money is to help stability in venezuela is to help i was the person whos democratically elected just in this month but i mean is it all grossly that important to me corbin says for. Is that we must condemn violence on both sides presumably a bit like apartheid south Africa Nelson mandela a violent terrorist you must get versus a violent apartheid racist government you should just be ever going to win are you really stretching it here cobain is being under fire because he wont condemn the democratically elected president of venezuela really ive been to venezuela there are lots of problems there but in reality copenhagen said anything wrong its just another chance to have a positive end because the people who dont like him dont like the fact he supports madeira oh and thats probably all of the americans and anybody else is too lazy to see what hes really done and at the same time if washington really wants to create another syria in venezuela i still live there actually hundreds of thousands dead in venezuela is that what washington wants it might be the price worth paying for far more oil reserves than even in iraq just put it out there ok meanwhile back here them Mainstream Media not as interested in this story as they are in venezuela for some reason theres going to morningstar this is about industrial unrest the more as morningstar says nurses scrap the wage cap all well strike the morning star claims probably correctly that there is a risk of having a strike as a result of the problems in the Health Service or aging the Royal College of nurses and thats a fairly reliable source so you would say well money stars found to be trying to stir it up and on this occasion they are saying that john a davis is warning the chancellor of the exchequer that if he doesnt pull its finger out and get decent wage rises to then its as still going to go wrong this on top of the fact that the n. H. S. Cant currently recruit enough nurses thats tied into brac set and probably to do with poor wages too and lots of problems brewing of course he alleges paid for by tax very hard at the rate that other countries some other countries do g four s. Results today though four billion in revenues why dont these nurses who are on low pay get shares in g four s. Who get the contracts despite being under a lesser. Fo serious for diversification the same purpose a brilliant idea option lets not eat for four weeks and put all the money we save into the forest shares how to do next i didnt know jack shit before we go on to the next one i did notice this thing that someone was saying that they went to the n. H. S. For cancer care and was offered a leaflet on going private its a little story its a bit of a tragedy i suppose shes terminally ill i think school dolly show field and she got a letter Advertising Private cancer care now i think its been big up a little bit in the press but it is insensitive and the fear is just outside the gates of the National Health service all spittles the private sector is waiting to catch cent and perhaps this is slightly incentive example of that private sector of two subsidised backed up by the taxpayer through different tax concessions and the problem of private partnership which will be paying for for years ahead but dont get me going on that we come back thats not the time lets go to the guardian an exciting competition that could solve all these problems instantly the guardian has uncovered this as if it wasnt tasteless enough already gets a house for free poverty porn at its most pernicious the man pictured here is called marco until innocent generous philanthropic with a very difficult upbringing he was poor himself whats interesting about this story is hes getting the poor the deserving poor to bid for a free house im not sure its bit i mean its a channel full of bush the british t. V. Station which is long been controversial and increasingly grids are they going to fight for this in a gladiatorial style way syrian refugee family a person with partially sighted its not exactly a bloody mate is what you probably development is yes but the idea is hes actually quite empathic and said im still in the story of the Actual Program but apparently he comes across as quite a good guy but as you say execute the refugees if they dont get their house whatever you think its a virtual execution of your home. Then then largely cited personal ratings would go through the roof in that case but no theyre not doing enough Public Perception no what public o.