And welcome to cross talk where all Things Considered im Peter Lavelle if you trust the Mainstream Media well then youre in the minority sadly a great deal of media today is not designed to inform but rather confirms political biases this approach of the news is not only polarizing but its also lowering journalistic standards is this why readers and viewers seek their news elsewhere. Across talking the news im joined by my guest charles or tile in new york he is a private investor and a writer as well as host of the podcast show sunday with charles and in williamsburg we crossed to Andrew Langer he is president of the institute for liberty as well as the host of the Andrew Langer show on a. O. L. In baltimore all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it charles let me go to you first i mean one of the reasons why i wanted to do this program is the scandal around brian ross over at a. B. C. And of course that was a horrific mistake and. The perception is there that that wasnt very Good Journalism and its true because he was getting ahead of himself so much so much of the media gets ahead of itself not in reporting information but to further their agenda and in the process theyre damaging journalism the standards of journalism of drop so badly and in the western world right now and i would say and we can talk about this later in the program its destroying institutions that we used to cherish go ahead charles. You know i totally agree with that im actually i started out as an investment banker and about ten years ago i began exposing corporate fraud and then Charity Fraud and i took the scandal which is still not been prosecuted the Clinton Foundation scandal to brian ross through one of his closest friends about about two years ago and he refused to cover oh i did the same thing with jake tapper and the same thing with Maggie Haberman the New York Times and what i think you have here is the established media needs to preserve access to the established Political Parties and theyre never going to take an assault as far as it needs to go into the truth you know and he said thats so well put there because there are so many you know we had this unmasking after the election but nobody ever talks about that we have we have the democrats they did not allow access to the d. N. C. Server we know that the democrats and possibly f. B. I. Was paying for this. Dossier theres nobody talks about that in the Mainstream Media its always pushed away because it doesnt further their agenda and instead they go after these myths with what i call a conspiracy without a crime of course im talking about russia gate go ahead and. Well listen there are a couple things that are going on here one of the real problems i see is what we call the twenty four second news cycle everybody is racing to be first with a story they dont care particularly if the story is right if the facts are accurate they just want to be first to the headline because they make their money through whatever click that they can get and thats very difficult to hedge against this i think youre absolutely correct there are certain standards of journalism that simply are being followed that ive gone down this road with journalists myself journalists are not following their sort of standard practices. Journalistic ethics or what have you with regards to these other stories we have to remember right is that its not just that journalists are like anybody else. But what were finding more and more is that we have journalists who have no real intellectual curiosity no with no real interest in sort of delving further unless its to pursue some sort of an agenda you know we talked we were talking before about this imraan alwan story which is the story of the i. T. Director for some eighty Democratic House members who was downloading terabytes of data from the house computers had access to the d. N. C. Computers and yet there is one actual reporter and then and then a couple of other sort of writers who are writing on this story out of washington d. C. This is a massive scandal and yet nobody is covering it because for agenda reasons or because theyre just not curious about it you know you know charles weve already heard the word click bait here and i think thats very interesting is that in this is what its really gotten down to is to get clicks to get eyeballs and worry about it later i mean we saw this during the last Years Campaign where journalists openly said well this is a very different kind of candidate so we have to relax my word relax our journalistic rules i mean that is a very slippery path ok either you have principles or you dont have principles and what and what theyre doing is that since were going to treat him differently as a result viewers and readers are now seeing Mainstream Media is not fulfilling those principles that they say that they uphold go ahead charles. You know what i founded by experiences with journalism please dont take this the wrong way but you know most journalists are excellent with words and hopeless when it comes to understanding numbers vary and what we have since ninety ninety eight ninety nine is an economic realignment where unregulated globalism is growing to dominate even trying to large markets like the United States europe etc and the proponents of this unregulated globalism are republicans and democrats and even not allied people around the world why because in this gigantic unregulated Global Market you could make a lot of money trading influence. You know for various various ways and so people are doing it on the campuses theyre doing it Investment Funds are doing the banks theyre doing it the global media complexes to understand this you have to understand basic economics and Financial Statements and you have to know how to follow the money and these journalists dont know how to do that i think its an excellent you know entry said you know what i think weve seen over the last twenty twenty five years is that the Mainstream Media is just the p. R. For the establishment its not news i mean i because of my the nature of my job i have to watch m s n b c i have to watch c. N. N. Its you know i sometimes i need a bucket but you know i have to do it and i dont learn anything i mean i dont get my news from them i have my own sources i put five or six hours every single day seven days a week in learning about news from people that i trust and places that i can i can go that i can trust ok but that i dont because all i see is just advocacy for the establishment for a liberal ideology for globalism as charles has mentioned here and i think thats intentional right now ok i mean this is they theyre channeling all of this to keep this narrative about the status quo and we do know if we look at the last election the two different parties we had an insurgency with the democrats we had an accessible insurgent with with trump and the republicans i think the establishment is terrified and this is why the media needs to get things back and thats why theyre moving towards censorship and well get to that in the second part of the program all of these things come together go ahead. And thats exactly right they do flow one into the other you have these issues where things sort of step over the line into advocacy and some of it has to do with not wanting to damage the existing relationships that are out there right Maggie Haberman who went to the same. Weather the same high school as me if you want to talk about duplicitousness we were supposed to appear on a panel together talking to High School Students and she had the gall to say she because she was a journalist she was going to appear on a panel with me because im in the advocacy world when in fact the course of her reporting is done. From an advocacy basis i mean i was i was sort of floored by this and i said ok all the more reason for her and i do appear on a panel of no she would do it so ive been there i think that thats a really great story here because thats thats what i come across all of the time is that you know its really its not news it is how to deflect from your narrative protect your narrative and the people that are protecting you ok i mean im not on television because of my pretty face ok im on television for a very different reason when i look at the cable stations i think that its more they can read the teleprompter but probably better than i can because im off a lot of even after all these years i mean thats what it is i mean its advocacy and it least you know and this n. B. C. Is open about it and i respect that and fox is open about and i respect that but everybody else you know they like to pretend that theyre journalists theyre not i mean that its claptrap really what theyre going after go ahead charles and peter go to let me go to charles with one thing i would say is that where i get my news in addition to you know your channel and other places one of the best sources for news i like isidro hedge yeah dot com and thats it and thats an independent. Channel for news that does a really good job of getting out ahead of the curve not only within our. Providing you access to source documents another one is Free Republic dot com both do the same thing you know you have to check and check these facts you know and challenge your mind charles i think why wait around for you are absolutely zero hedge because youre going back to something you said earlier they like numbers they understand the economy and i really like the marriage of news and Economic News that they have thats very well done and you want to jump in there go ahead. You know i just want to sort of you talk about this relationship between establishment journalism and nowhere is it more clear than the one thing that nobody seems to be talking about in this whole Michael Flynn mess which is this issue of you know we know the f. B. I. Was listening on the conversation with him between flynn and ambassador chris lee act. We know that they tracked flynn with it later on what we dont know is how and why the Washington Post got their hands on that transcript except this relationship between the establishment the deep state and you know the socalled mainstream journalism you know you know chelsea you know i cant get out one minute before we go to the break here everybody likes to use this word collusion you know and technically in the legal sense its not illegal but on all all the collision i see is with the f. B. I. It with the media and a lot of the of course the Democratic Party and its establishment that seems to be a collusion i mean we could use the word cobol or Something Like that but theyre in lockstep all of the time go ahead charles you know i think it goes all the way back it could go far back as one nine hundred eighty nine its a collusion of cooperation between establishment wings of the Democrat Republican Party to promote the interests of the big defense contractors big global media big big global banks etc to obstruct the analysis and the finding of the real truths that need to be address its a joke its a gigantic long term many decades long i would argue conspiracy well its certainly been corrosive all right gentlemen were all going to go to a break here and after that short break well continue our discussion on the news industry state with art. Its the cradle of jazz. Is america is the america we have. This jazz feel. The city of climatic. Alligators on the loose. And crime by the at least twelve members of my family close most. Of street racing in the heat of the night this is new orleans. The best place in the world. Heres what people have been saying about redacting the night would still be saturated full on awesome the only show i go out of my way to was you know a lot of the really packed a punch oh yeah it is the john oliver of marty americans do the same we are apparently better than bluegrass things that i see people you never heard of love right back to the night my president of the world bank paid money to the many seriously he sent us an email. Hello my names peter and ive been living in bushnell for about seven years and this is a film about just some of the crazy things ive got in the time. I mean this is just published or did you cry because i had such. A stance is not his position. I. Welcome back to cross talk were all Things Considered im peter lets remind you were discussing the news industry. Ok and i can introduce now for the program Mark Crispin Miller here in new york he is a professor of media and culturing communication at New York University as well as author of the book fooled again the real case for Electoral Reform ok mark i understand you were listening to a part of the first part of the program and you already have a reaction go ahead jump in yeah i do i mean i find the conversation that i was able to hear really fascinating and i agree with with pretty much all of it i would simply comment that that it does have a slightly amnesiac quality i mean i was. Pleased to hear i think it was charles trace this colu shin that were talking about back to one thousand nine hundred nine i think you know to be perfectly honest what were talking about here really dates back at least to november twenty second one nine hundred sixty three i mean it was with the kennedy assassination and that the press jumped wholeheartedly into the position of ferocious advocate for the official narrative of that. Historic history changing incident which which they continue to promote to this day i mean recently it was back in the news because of the delayed and partial release of a number of documents by the cia and f. B. I. They were supposed to have released them a while ago. Due to a law that was passed in the early ninetys after the release of oliver stones film i think president obama gave them a pass let them not release them we dont need to get into the weeds on this the fact is it was back in the news now were talking about. An official story that some four fifths of the American People no longer believe you know and Something Like sixty percent of the American People now believe that the cia was involved in kennedys assassination nineteen percent think that Lee Harvey Oswald did it ok despite that overwhelming majority to this day the New York Times and c. N. N. And n. P. R. And the new yorker and all the rest of them all the resident to new to flaw that very dead horse of you know warren report you know but martin of you know let me let me go to intrude on this here i mean i think thats a good starting point there but then we have the pentagon. Papers we had what happened in watergate and there was actually a few moments of glory for journalism i would say there and then its all downhill the illegal invasion of iraq in two thousand and three and then we know when theres no prosecutions for what happened in the great financial crisis of two thousand and eight and it just goes on and on the difference is the Technology Changes and i think this is why the elites are really they are going to theyre turning to censorship absolutely they want to pull this back and they want their monopoly back they want their monopoly back for exactly this one of the reasons that mark pointed out to us and i think this is a very interesting very dangerous time because these people have a lot of power and they dont like people like me and where i work go ahead andrea. Well let me add to this right because normally what you would have us do would have independent organizations that are going out there and verifying and acting as a check on whatever malicious fraudulent stories are out there now we have this very nebulous definition of fraud and attorneys general all around the country Eric Schneiderman new york and california who are using very weird vague definitions of fraud to go after these nonprofit organizations and go to the heart of what theyre doing its part of why folks are going after what they call dark money from these organizations trying to get it whos funding them because they cant attack the veracity of what folks are saying so what theyre going to do is theyre trying to going to try to say what theyre saying is fraudulent and then try to shut them down i mean thats operation choke point was something the government did that was the pretext was to go after fraud you had as i said Eric Schneiderman in new york going after organizations gauging and advocacy saying they were engaging in fraudulent behavior and so thats the next sort of tactic in all of this you know but its interesting charles i mean i think its really interesting what andrew just said there but is anybody going to really seriously take a look at the pedestrian brothers i mean he want to look at we know what you know at fraud ok what if you go to the center of it ok i mean again its silence just silence all the time you hear the crickets in the background here i mean if we want to go back to you know all of the events since the election there is so meant so much. Going on the leaking the unmasking all of this theres no interest in it whatsoever in the Mainstream Media if you watch c. N. N. And they miss it b. C. Its not as if he didnt even happen i mean thats how Dangerous Things are and then they talk about things you know they talk about myths and unicorns thats