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in my local hospital and instead of the being a protest outside it saying this is wrong why are people being amidst this hospital with malnutrition related diseases they celebrated it at a pathway to fill their drinks and that should go to bana. you know that could abandon the cycle in the lifeline to somebody you know i would be fused salivates because this government is going to come pain of discrimination against the polish and say it's a i've spoken spray politer since commit suicide. outside the job center of universal credit must absolutely everything including his family had no shoes on his feet the little activities that we've been doing all the way the government we hold him accountable it's because a group site black child girl is spread all the time collated information about the deaths and destruction caused by this government it's about people like me you write for the paper write for the blog you challenge people all the time about these issues it's about your side. packie put their lives and their freedoms on the line status and influence in the front a charm. because they will not listen to peaceful protesters you know real large segment of population about twenty percent were also one of the main targets of this government's attacks on society it was the austerity agenda. you know we're suffering. a massive abrogation of our rights removal of the income that we need to live on. which has led to you know enormous suffering and many deaths in the thousands but you know don't get downcast i mean it's horrible government doing horrible things but you know we strung together. and this is going to end we are going to get rid of this government. it's going to it's been seven years a really horrible seven years the united nations has found that they're guilty of grave and systemic human rights abuses against several people they've created a human catastrophe those are the actual words. on the government's rations about was simply to deny it's happening but some like britain's parliamentary private secretary to the chancellor of the exchequer philip hammond rode back from saying things aren't happening these sanctions are quite a blunt instrument they're not really specifically they don't incentivizing people to work perhaps as well as they should be doing good in there was a murder weapon well it's a crude phrase but it's essentially describes a situation where it's not being applied evenly across the country that's the m.p.u. slammed one of britain's greatest film directors ken loach arguing that what happened it is palme d'or winning film i daniel blake just isn't happening here is the star of that film on the disappearance of david gore the government minister responsible for welfare reform not turning up to an emergency debate about welfare reform they pushed this mantra that basically it's all about getting you back to work you know the six weeks wait for the money you know it's about getting you back to work get used to well you know when you get a job you have to wait six weeks for your pay until that you know it always pushes that we all responsibility carrot sticks yeah and they fail to see that this is lives that are talking about here in for him not to turn up fall for it debate and for a vote is a disgrace really i mean you know have the courage of your convictions and stand up and be counted but british governments have been doing things they should arguably know are wrong for a long time according to indian politician and former u.n. diplomats just the roar thirty five million indians died in totally unnecessary famines because of british policy the british had an active philosophy that they will not intervene in famines number one the free market principles had to apply number to mouth use in logic said of the land couldn't support the population that was supposed to support the let people die and number three was a victorian principle the ocean not spend money that was not budgeted for so all these grounds the british approach was not to help and famines and where india. had traditionally had a culture of charity with the rulers aided people in times of drought and other kinds of the grid distress what we saw with the british was a policy in which people were callously allowed to die and what is worse when the british could be exported green from the very places that people were starving in in order to fill the markets in london equally appalling when somebody tried to help they were prevented from doing so and i've recounted instances in which even a few kindly englishman were essentially threatened with deportation back home if they help the people who were dying of starvation. they'd been told famine four point three million people killed on the explicit on the day bases of explicit decisions made by winston churchill the wartime prime minister and approaching that scale of carnage this year was of course yemen suffering from british supports the saudi arabia the latest figures off the outbreak tell us that there are about eight hundred fifty thousand suspected cases of cholera and the death toll has crossed two thousand one hundred of these cases are little children. in addition the whole situation of nutrition is extremely wadding we have two million children who are suffering from acute malnutrition off these close to three hundred eighty five thousand children are suffering from severe and the cute malnutrition which puts them at a high risk of debt almost seven million yemenis are facing severe food insecurity which simply means they don't know where their next meal will come from activists like medea benjamin of code pink did try and join the seventeen to stop the carnage we have been fighting very hard to stop us sales to saudi arabia because we think it goes against u.s. law as well to have one senator who says yes we should keep selling weapons to the saudis as atrocious and it's not only for what they're doing in yemen i think we should put into question not just the sale of weapons but the whole alliance that the u.s. the u.k. and the western again democracies i put in quotation marks because how can you consider yourself a democracy if you are arming the very country that is responsible for spreading the extremism that we supposedly are fighting against but nothing really changed when it came to british defectors support for killing in yemen just as nato nation mainstream media continue to be one sided on iran syria and the country with the most oil on earth venezuela is near liberal opposition would be openly championed by britain's state mandated b.b.c. joining two of the seventeen who start at the violence in this country tolerate. an opposition call for the violent overthrow of the government to cause the military to rise up a media corps called on so let's say the b.b.c. calling for a coup against the government in whitehall and the prime minister in ten downing street of course not yes there is violence on both sides but i would suggest that most of the violence comes from something that was never. gone away and that is monopolies that control seventy percent of the capital and economic power and venezuela wanting to get rid of a government that is not a socialist government it's a social democratic up and there's done some very interesting and quite. significant things for poor people who were regarded in the pasta as white south africans used to regard the majority in the country and as for the most pressing issue of twenty seventeen the environment it's very sad because it's horrible. you know extreme measures and to have a president who doesn't believe in climate change and on the climate change is very frightening and people have to speak up and we have to take matters into our own hands and things we can do with providers and. do whatever we can to. note that consumer boycotts are arguably the real way to affect change is one of the most revolutionary politicians in british history nigel for rudd you know as well we caught up with the ukip firebrand on a day like many we may see in twenty eighteen one when the u.k. government was arguably rowing back from the decisive vote against new liberalism that was the brics it referendum today's a great day for westminster it's a great day for the political class great day for goldman sachs great day for most international business because effectively what the prime minister is saying is we're going to stay a full member effectively of the european union for a further two years and it's a massive two fingers up to the seventeen point four million poorly educated unwashed coaches that voted for bracks coming up after the break why could thousands of people in britain be unjustly imprisoned this christmas. levels reached record highs in u.k. jails we put justice on trial and speak to the u.k.'s jobs let richard bergen in a special investigation that's all coming up in part two of going on the ground. los angeles the city of luxury and fame but also an alarming number of people living in the streets. simple fact in l.a. says there's just not enough shelter even if people on the streets right now decided to come in there's nowhere to come in it's been a struggle. and this man found his own response to the problem and constructed dozens of tiny homes for people in need of shelter when you have nothing and nowhere to go. you know having something like this may as well be a castle but do the authorities accept such. a tiny house on a city parking space is not a solution. someone monitoring the site otherwise it'll be a free for all there a better alternative to end the homelessness crisis. local blogs sell you on the idea that dropping bombs brings police to the chicken hawks forcing you to fight the battles that are going. to stop by to tell you that so be gossip a couple of us fell. off the bad guys and tell you on the cool enough by. the oval office that we. will watch. as a civilization just a tiny bit more advanced than we are they can already pick up jerry springer or any other sit coms interview shows the nightly news they see what we're doing to our planet you know it isn't really a very pretty picture and so in addition to sending this chaotic messages that used to communicate with one another we want to send a clear signal to the extraterrestrial but there's also some rationality. welcome back where outside the site of one of the we're in history while no one is likely to go to prison for what u.k. shadow chancellor john mcdonald called social murder could the same political decisions he suggests killed those in the ground tragedy kill inmates in prison offices in british prisons as it is about getting back a special report now investigates prisoners who could be released from the u.k. as underfunded and understaffed prison service this christmas. imprisonment for public protection or peace are a form of into terminate sentence brought in by the labor government in two thousand and five they were designed to protect the public from serious offenders crimes did not merit a life sentence by p.p.s. also began to be given out for less serious offenses resulting in more population over spill in already overcrowded prisons by twenty twelve after being ruled by the european court they breached human rights imprisonment for public protection sentences were abolished but while they're now in twenty seventeen over three thousand people serving the sentences according to labor's shadow secretary of state for justice it's all star cards brought on by the conservative government but it's a blame to go overcrowding on the funding. why isn't the government dealing with i.p.p. sentences when people could be potentially well people who have served their sentence for the defense and are saved to be let back out and so to shoot black mark out into society one of the real problems in reducing the number of people on the sentences and getting them out is that. there's been under funding the education services and mental health services in prisons and their number of conditions people have to make it before they can be released for their sentence and and some people have had a longer time in prison than they should have done because the education courses in need to do as a condition of finishing the sentence haven't been available because i've been placed on the course of a book or because the person missed sessions because the prisons have been so on the start that they weren't in a prison obviously to take them safely from the saddle to get education because the conservative m.p. and member of the u.k. just a select committee disagreed that there was a crisis in ukraine prisons would you agree that there is a prison crisis right now and i don't think there's a prison crisis at the prison in my in my own constituency for example there was a violent incidents there but by and large as the inspections approved it is being run very well and it is a very calm place and i think that's what you'll find if you look across the prison system as a whole so i.p.p. senses have been abolished why the prisoners still sobbing their sentences in prisons where there are still some prisoners that are the law still serving that while they i.p.p. system is reveled but the key thing to concentrate on is the rehabilitation of prisoners and that comes down very much to their role in education and how the prison service can help them to move their lives on and i saw very good examples of this in germany and. in denmark for example where the lines of prisons have been transformed as a result of the courses they were running and this sort of activity is the work of it is that they were involved in one less than is the carcass and the lack of funding in the u.k. prisons mean that they don't actually have access to those courses we don't have the past and l. to cover those courses for the people who are currently serving this is still stuck in that limbo but we've changed the rules so that governors can have more authority over their own prisons which i think is a very good thing and the courses are being run and are being run effectively and there are there are a huge number of prisoners who are going through them and getting the benefits of them every day that we are talking about them i want to speak to someone who'd been a president for public protection sentence jamie turner robbed the post office he was sentenced to all brought and having a firearm with intent but he received an i.p.p. just ten days after they were brought in i cleared my fence on the fourteenth of april two thousand and five if. i were to commit my friends before the fourth of i portend i would have i guess is less so for those heady days i was up seven i was more or. less you know not. i'm not excusing my behavior i was deeply ashamed of myself and i even wrote the guy a policy that i was this is how he was. you know sorry for any upset upset cause which i did and i needed to be punished and in some ways i probably wanted to be punished and i saw my issues out you know i was taking a fair means at the time which i was taken in for depression and because i see anything that was any clear my head but i didn't even start to command these are talking fences until the last when i was forty one forty two there's nothing else in my previous history that is that is violent as will ever even though it looked inside me when i got the sense i never really went into my background or you know they just on paper they thought well you've done this and they gave before you did this so like. you we were like you off and you went in and what was your experience the first day and. don't i mean you've got five years in front of you you think through these five years and. and then i can go home and that. obviously that wasn't the case because the five year period turned up and i didn't go home i was told to counsel concept of the city is two five years are you going to see the pro who are always yeah yeah and they said well i know you've got this i.p.p. sentence yeah that's right i progressed every time i counted progress i was kind of expecting to go home with a five year period not to be given another two years more. and that college deflates your bet and then just send you into a law. because you must now you know when you get to the n.b.a. and then you think now and then and they go and sag another bit and that's what happened in basically. and you know i didn't deal with these pleas that will. ease it was i was to say well he said what you just said then you were in twenty something he was abolished in twenty twelve it was yes actually when you're inside your head this is surely i'm coming out yes the effect is you know i'm a good know what my thing was a chipmunk there be a version. of inside call it hard times and i'd always go and try to seek out where it was in the prison to live always at the hope that this month something's going to be in there the case is going to be i have a shorty you know i would be like war is over on i think. you know and obviously that didn't come you just get these little snippets of hope. you know i knew i had hope because i just thought. fantasist called me saying hey you know shorty someone's got to say the fairness in all this we have recently they're brought in for like seriously violent pm regarding the violent people the sex offenders and now it's against people yeah but yourself attempted robbery but also even smaller crimes as well yeah yeah you have probably mommies want to know more there is a series and maybe and it's had robredo ourselves a lot of people with a lot less than a lot less than a you know i always knew that i wasn't that guy you know i was just a brief periods on in my life where you know it was a bit desperate and be ashamed of myself said to science and as if to kill somebody i simply. saying is this will be the thirty i think it's christmas is also christmas time i used this when i was with you know i just want to get it over and done with and then move on to the new year so i'm always waiting for that new year to come in i just wish in your life why i say that's what you do you just wish your life away. you know you might boast of it but there's no lady there's no law in there now to occupy your mind in that you know you just a menial tasks try not to get you door closed become a train or something it's a door to be open about it all and. end up in the clayton powell and i wish to have a law because there's no there's never enough in the cupboard to claim with legitimacy you go in there when. you know. the government is just with true squeezed to squeeze the life out of it and he was underfunded in the first place and that's why they're called the problems they're in there now and what did those x. years like on his teach you had while it while you were inside. it was just tough and it was it was just tough he's not just fills you full of anxiety and worry and thinking and you just thinking constantly when i get when i'm again i just going to happen this is going to happen for me you know you just never know because sometimes you just you think you know you're never going to get you still you still think and i. love it when they're i've given up hope. we can understand. they have given up. levels of reach the highest in history but there were forty one thousand cases last year but recent figures from the prison reform trust showing that for every one thousand people serving in i.p.p. there were five hundred fifty incidents of self paul i want to speak to the bell from the u.k. charity the mental health center about the effect these indefinite sentences have on the mental health of inmates being in prison itself is a risk factor for a mental health difficulty you can imagine why and not knowing your release date of course for what's going to happen to you in the future is just an added risk we also know from research we did a few years ago now where when imprisonment for public protection was was still in force as a sentence many of the people who were imprisoned under those sentences had quite serious histories of mental health difficulty so it's a population that's already vulnerable compounded by the fact that people don't necessarily have any sense of when they might leave and what the future might hold for them and we need to be sure that anyone who is on imprisonment for public protection is able to get access to programs that will help them to change regardless of whether they've got mental health difficulty or not those that have made some adjustments to make that appropriate and safe for them but we just need to ensure that somebody is working towards a release and working towards rehabilitation in the most effective way possible but it isn't just the sentences that are affected it's partner in hotly was given a minimum taria of two years and eleven months for robbery but thirteen years on he still in sight and his family have no idea when he's getting out it's mental torture not knowing when they're going to be released and when the ninety one year life sentence and. it. isn't even after being really there was a time when your life when you have a sensation there's times where he wants to end his life doesn't seem normal and he ends well. no my war anyone says or goals no one is actually doing anything to help the on paper they just are forgotten about. and that's how a lot of people want them to be forgotten that i don't because the government brought how ascend so that was an implementor proper way they do not think the sentence deport people for minor crimes on their ninety nine year license so we've you truly do believe this christmas you would have been here even the man who brought it in agrees that it was a mistake yet. the dave you've not got anyone that's not p.p. that's a nine o'clock the roll law costs and these people of have been forgotten about nine hundred people on them it's been given the sentence and they gave it some one thousand so you can imagine what the prison system was on is just for we dogs and violence it's a dog eat dog weld you've got over my skull. and if you tell that mask off then you vulnerable you can't move on the boat. how damaging is that do you think for you guys especially not. it's hard and that's what we fight for the ip because of our anger as you might as well just send them to death penalty at least if you give them the death penalty said they know when this in internet and that's what it's all of our it's just the not knowing and that's where the mental torture can be said for the fun way around for just a sentence and some. this year tens of thousands of inmates on offices will be spending their christmas in prisons all get to be a breaking point on the stall on the farm did an overcrowded violence drug use and sell paul continue to rice ball the thousands of prisoners who. could go free. dip if you had just about the impact of that and that's if it's a day's show and for this season from here in the shadow of the grand old tower and it's one of the poorest communities in one of the richest places on earth we'll be back on new year's day with award winning journalist. but former m.p. and will cost a member typically of their reflections and predictions for twenty eighteen back for a brand new series on wednesday the seventeenth of january but until then we'll be playing your favorite episodes from this season but don't forget to get in touch by social media sooner from the whole team and going underground by christmas and a happy and peaceful new year. it's all to see we have a great team we need to strengthen before the free world cold and your backs have been a legend to keep it so it's at the back. in one thousand nine hundred two that must qualify for the european championships at the very last moment no one believed in us but we won and i'm hoping to bring some of that waiting 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in my local hospital and instead of the being a protest outside it saying this is wrong why are people being amidst this hospital with malnutrition related diseases they celebrated it at a pathway to fill their drinks and that should go to bana. you know that could abandon the cycle in the lifeline to somebody you know i would be fused salivates because this government is going to come pain of discrimination against the polish and say it's a i've spoken spray politer since commit suicide. outside the job center of universal credit must absolutely everything including his family had no shoes on his feet the little activities that we've been doing all the way the government we hold him accountable it's because a group site black child girl is spread all the time collated information about the deaths and destruction caused by this government it's about people like me you write for the paper write for the blog you challenge people all the time about these issues it's about your side. packie put their lives and their freedoms on the line status and influence in the front a charm. because they will not listen to peaceful protesters you know real large segment of population about twenty percent were also one of the main targets of this government's attacks on society it was the austerity agenda. you know we're suffering. a massive abrogation of our rights removal of the income that we need to live on. which has led to you know enormous suffering and many deaths in the thousands but you know don't get downcast i mean it's horrible government doing horrible things but you know we strung together. and this is going to end we are going to get rid of this government. it's going to it's been seven years a really horrible seven years the united nations has found that they're guilty of grave and systemic human rights abuses against several people they've created a human catastrophe those are the actual words. on the government's rations about was simply to deny it's happening but some like britain's parliamentary private secretary to the chancellor of the exchequer philip hammond rode back from saying things aren't happening these sanctions are quite a blunt instrument they're not really specifically they don't incentivizing people to work perhaps as well as they should be doing good in there was a murder weapon well it's a crude phrase but it's essentially describes a situation where it's not being applied evenly across the country that's the m.p.u. slammed one of britain's greatest film directors ken loach arguing that what happened it is palme d'or winning film i daniel blake just isn't happening here is the star of that film on the disappearance of david gore the government minister responsible for welfare reform not turning up to an emergency debate about welfare reform they pushed this mantra that basically it's all about getting you back to work you know the six weeks wait for the money you know it's about getting you back to work get used to well you know when you get a job you have to wait six weeks for your pay until that you know it always pushes that we all responsibility carrot sticks yeah and they fail to see that this is lives that are talking about here in for him not to turn up fall for it debate and for a vote is a disgrace really i mean you know have the courage of your convictions and stand up and be counted but british governments have been doing things they should arguably know are wrong for a long time according to indian politician and former u.n. diplomats just the roar thirty five million indians died in totally unnecessary famines because of british policy the british had an active philosophy that they will not intervene in famines number one the free market principles had to apply number to mouth use in logic said of the land couldn't support the population that was supposed to support the let people die and number three was a victorian principle the ocean not spend money that was not budgeted for so all these grounds the british approach was not to help and famines and where india. had traditionally had a culture of charity with the rulers aided people in times of drought and other kinds of the grid distress what we saw with the british was a policy in which people were callously allowed to die and what is worse when the british could be exported green from the very places that people were starving in in order to fill the markets in london equally appalling when somebody tried to help they were prevented from doing so and i've recounted instances in which even a few kindly englishman were essentially threatened with deportation back home if they help the people who were dying of starvation. they'd been told famine four point three million people killed on the explicit on the day bases of explicit decisions made by winston churchill the wartime prime minister and approaching that scale of carnage this year was of course yemen suffering from british supports the saudi arabia the latest figures off the outbreak tell us that there are about eight hundred fifty thousand suspected cases of cholera and the death toll has crossed two thousand one hundred of these cases are little children. in addition the whole situation of nutrition is extremely wadding we have two million children who are suffering from acute malnutrition off these close to three hundred eighty five thousand children are suffering from severe and the cute malnutrition which puts them at a high risk of debt almost seven million yemenis are facing severe food insecurity which simply means they don't know where their next meal will come from activists like medea benjamin of code pink did try and join the seventeen to stop the carnage we have been fighting very hard to stop us sales to saudi arabia because we think it goes against u.s. law as well to have one senator who says yes we should keep selling weapons to the saudis as atrocious and it's not only for what they're doing in yemen i think we should put into question not just the sale of weapons but the whole alliance that the u.s. the u.k. and the western again democracies i put in quotation marks because how can you consider yourself a democracy if you are arming the very country that is responsible for spreading the extremism that we supposedly are fighting against but nothing really changed when it came to british defectors support for killing in yemen just as nato nation mainstream media continue to be one sided on iran syria and the country with the most oil on earth venezuela is near liberal opposition would be openly championed by britain's state mandated b.b.c. joining two of the seventeen who start at the violence in this country tolerate. an opposition call for the violent overthrow of the government to cause the military to rise up a media corps called on so let's say the b.b.c. calling for a coup against the government in whitehall and the prime minister in ten downing street of course not yes there is violence on both sides but i would suggest that most of the violence comes from something that was never. gone away and that is monopolies that control seventy percent of the capital and economic power and venezuela wanting to get rid of a government that is not a socialist government it's a social democratic up and there's done some very interesting and quite. significant things for poor people who were regarded in the pasta as white south africans used to regard the majority in the country and as for the most pressing issue of twenty seventeen the environment it's very sad because it's horrible. you know extreme measures and to have a president who doesn't believe in climate change and on the climate change is very frightening and people have to speak up and we have to take matters into our own hands and things we can do with providers and. do whatever we can to. note that consumer boycotts are arguably the real way to affect change is one of the most revolutionary politicians in british history nigel for rudd you know as well we caught up with the ukip firebrand on a day like many we may see in twenty eighteen one when the u.k. government was arguably rowing back from the decisive vote against new liberalism that was the brics it referendum today's a great day for westminster it's a great day for the political class great day for goldman sachs great day for most international business because effectively what the prime minister is saying is we're going to stay a full member effectively of the european union for a further two years and it's a massive two fingers up to the seventeen point four million poorly educated unwashed coaches that voted for bracks coming up after the break why could thousands of people in britain be unjustly imprisoned this christmas. levels reached record highs in u.k. jails we put justice on trial and speak to the u.k.'s jobs let richard bergen in a special investigation that's all coming up in part two of going on the ground. los angeles the city of luxury and fame but also an alarming number of people living in the streets. simple fact in l.a. says there's just not enough shelter even if people on the streets right now decided to come in there's nowhere to come in it's been a struggle. and this man found his own response to the problem and constructed dozens of tiny homes for people in need of shelter when you have nothing and nowhere to go. you know having something like this may as well be a castle but do the authorities accept such. a tiny house on a city parking space is not a solution. someone monitoring the site otherwise it'll be a free for all there a better alternative to end the homelessness crisis. local blogs sell you on the idea that dropping bombs brings police to the chicken hawks forcing you to fight the battles that are going. to stop by to tell you that so be gossip a couple of us fell. off the bad guys and tell you on the cool enough by. the oval office that we. will watch. as a civilization just a tiny bit more advanced than we are they can already pick up jerry springer or any other sit coms interview shows the nightly news they see what we're doing to our planet you know it isn't really a very pretty picture and so in addition to sending this chaotic messages that used to communicate with one another we want to send a clear signal to the extraterrestrial but there's also some rationality. welcome back where outside the site of one of the we're in history while no one is likely to go to prison for what u.k. shadow chancellor john mcdonald called social murder could the same political decisions he suggests killed those in the ground tragedy kill inmates in prison offices in british prisons as it is about getting back a special report now investigates prisoners who could be released from the u.k. as underfunded and understaffed prison service this christmas. imprisonment for public protection or peace are a form of into terminate sentence brought in by the labor government in two thousand and five they were designed to protect the public from serious offenders crimes did not merit a life sentence by p.p.s. also began to be given out for less serious offenses resulting in more population over spill in already overcrowded prisons by twenty twelve after being ruled by the european court they breached human rights imprisonment for public protection sentences were abolished but while they're now in twenty seventeen over three thousand people serving the sentences according to labor's shadow secretary of state for justice it's all star cards brought on by the conservative government but it's a blame to go overcrowding on the funding. why isn't the government dealing with i.p.p. sentences when people could be potentially well people who have served their sentence for the defense and are saved to be let back out and so to shoot black mark out into society one of the real problems in reducing the number of people on the sentences and getting them out is that. there's been under funding the education services and mental health services in prisons and their number of conditions people have to make it before they can be released for their sentence and and some people have had a longer time in prison than they should have done because the education courses in need to do as a condition of finishing the sentence haven't been available because i've been placed on the course of a book or because the person missed sessions because the prisons have been so on the start that they weren't in a prison obviously to take them safely from the saddle to get education because the conservative m.p. and member of the u.k. just a select committee disagreed that there was a crisis in ukraine prisons would you agree that there is a prison crisis right now and i don't think there's a prison crisis at the prison in my in my own constituency for example there was a violent incidents there but by and large as the inspections approved it is being run very well and it is a very calm place and i think that's what you'll find if you look across the prison system as a whole so i.p.p. senses have been abolished why the prisoners still sobbing their sentences in prisons where there are still some prisoners that are the law still serving that while they i.p.p. system is reveled but the key thing to concentrate on is the rehabilitation of prisoners and that comes down very much to their role in education and how the prison service can help them to move their lives on and i saw very good examples of this in germany and. in denmark for example where the lines of prisons have been transformed as a result of the courses they were running and this sort of activity is the work of it is that they were involved in one less than is the carcass and the lack of funding in the u.k. prisons mean that they don't actually have access to those courses we don't have the past and l. to cover those courses for the people who are currently serving this is still stuck in that limbo but we've changed the rules so that governors can have more authority over their own prisons which i think is a very good thing and the courses are being run and are being run effectively and there are there are a huge number of prisoners who are going through them and getting the benefits of them every day that we are talking about them i want to speak to someone who'd been a president for public protection sentence jamie turner robbed the post office he was sentenced to all brought and having a firearm with intent but he received an i.p.p. just ten days after they were brought in i cleared my fence on the fourteenth of april two thousand and five if. i were to commit my friends before the fourth of i portend i would have i guess is less so for those heady days i was up seven i was more or. less you know not. i'm not excusing my behavior i was deeply ashamed of myself and i even wrote the guy a policy that i was this is how he was. you know sorry for any upset upset cause which i did and i needed to be punished and in some ways i probably wanted to be punished and i saw my issues out you know i was taking a fair means at the time which i was taken in for depression and because i see anything that was any clear my head but i didn't even start to command these are talking fences until the last when i was forty one forty two there's nothing else in my previous history that is that is violent as will ever even though it looked inside me when i got the sense i never really went into my background or you know they just on paper they thought well you've done this and they gave before you did this so like. you we were like you off and you went in and what was your experience the first day and. don't i mean you've got five years in front of you you think through these five years and. and then i can go home and that. obviously that wasn't the case because the five year period turned up and i didn't go home i was told to counsel concept of the city is two five years are you going to see the pro who are always yeah yeah and they said well i know you've got this i.p.p. sentence yeah that's right i progressed every time i counted progress i was kind of expecting to go home with a five year period not to be given another two years more. and that college deflates your bet and then just send you into a law. because you must now you know when you get to the n.b.a. and then you think now and then and they go and sag another bit and that's what happened in basically. and you know i didn't deal with these pleas that will. ease it was i was to say well he said what you just said then you were in twenty something he was abolished in twenty twelve it was yes actually when you're inside your head this is surely i'm coming out yes the effect is you know i'm a good know what my thing was a chipmunk there be a version. of inside call it hard times and i'd always go and try to seek out where it was in the prison to live always at the hope that this month something's going to be in there the case is going to be i have a shorty you know i would be like war is over on i think. you know and obviously that didn't come you just get these little snippets of hope. you know i knew i had hope because i just thought. fantasist called me saying hey you know shorty someone's got to say the fairness in all this we have recently they're brought in for like seriously violent pm regarding the violent people the sex offenders and now it's against people yeah but yourself attempted robbery but also even smaller crimes as well yeah yeah you have probably mommies want to know more there is a series and maybe and it's had robredo ourselves a lot of people with a lot less than a lot less than a you know i always knew that i wasn't that guy you know i was just a brief periods on in my life where you know it was a bit desperate and be ashamed of myself said to science and as if to kill somebody i simply. saying is this will be the thirty i think it's christmas is also christmas time i used this when i was with you know i just want to get it over and done with and then move on to the new year so i'm always waiting for that new year to come in i just wish in your life why i say that's what you do you just wish your life away. you know you might boast of it but there's no lady there's no law in there now to occupy your mind in that you know you just a menial tasks try not to get you door closed become a train or something it's a door to be open about it all and. end up in the clayton powell and i wish to have a law because there's no there's never enough in the cupboard to claim with legitimacy you go in there when. you know. the government is just with true squeezed to squeeze the life out of it and he was underfunded in the first place and that's why they're called the problems they're in there now and what did those x. years like on his teach you had while it while you were inside. it was just tough and it was it was just tough he's not just fills you full of anxiety and worry and thinking and you just thinking constantly when i get when i'm again i just going to happen this is going to happen for me you know you just never know because sometimes you just you think you know you're never going to get you still you still think and i. love it when they're i've given up hope. we can understand. they have given up. levels of reach the highest in history but there were forty one thousand cases last year but recent figures from the prison reform trust showing that for every one thousand people serving in i.p.p. there were five hundred fifty incidents of self paul i want to speak to the bell from the u.k. charity the mental health center about the effect these indefinite sentences have on the mental health of inmates being in prison itself is a risk factor for a mental health difficulty you can imagine why and not knowing your release date of course for what's going to happen to you in the future is just an added risk we also know from research we did a few years ago now where when imprisonment for public protection was was still in force as a sentence many of the people who were imprisoned under those sentences had quite serious histories of mental health difficulty so it's a population that's already vulnerable compounded by the fact that people don't necessarily have any sense of when they might leave and what the future might hold for them and we need to be sure that anyone who is on imprisonment for public protection is able to get access to programs that will help them to change regardless of whether they've got mental health difficulty or not those that have made some adjustments to make that appropriate and safe for them but we just need to ensure that somebody is working towards a release and working towards rehabilitation in the most effective way possible but it isn't just the sentences that are affected it's partner in hotly was given a minimum taria of two years and eleven months for robbery but thirteen years on he still in sight and his family have no idea when he's getting out it's mental torture not knowing when they're going to be released and when the ninety one year life sentence and. it. isn't even after being really there was a time when your life when you have a sensation there's times where he wants to end his life doesn't seem normal and he ends well. no my war anyone says or goals no one is actually doing anything to help the on paper they just are forgotten about. and that's how a lot of people want them to be forgotten that i don't because the government brought how ascend so that was an implementor proper way they do not think the sentence deport people for minor crimes on their ninety nine year license so we've you truly do believe this christmas you would have been here even the man who brought it in agrees that it was a mistake yet. the dave you've not got anyone that's not p.p. that's a nine o'clock the roll law costs and these people of have been forgotten about nine hundred people on them it's been given the sentence and they gave it some one thousand so you can imagine what the prison system was on is just for we dogs and violence it's a dog eat dog weld you've got over my skull. and if you tell that mask off then you vulnerable you can't move on the boat. how damaging is that do you think for you guys especially not. it's hard and that's what we fight for the ip because of our anger as you might as well just send them to death penalty at least if you give them the death penalty said they know when this in internet and that's what it's all of our it's just the not knowing and that's where the mental torture can be said for the fun way around for just a sentence and some. this year tens of thousands of inmates on offices will be spending their christmas in prisons all get to be a breaking point on the stall on the farm did an overcrowded violence drug use and sell paul continue to rice ball the thousands of prisoners who. could go free. dip if you had just about the impact of that and that's if it's a day's show and for this season from here in the shadow of the grand old tower and it's one of the poorest communities in one of the richest places on earth we'll be back on new year's day with award winning journalist. but former m.p. and will cost a member typically of their reflections and predictions for twenty eighteen back for a brand new series on wednesday the seventeenth of january but until then we'll be playing your favorite episodes from this season but don't forget to get in touch by social media sooner from the whole team and going underground by christmas and a happy and peaceful new year. it's all to see we have a great team we need to strengthen before the free world cold and your backs have been a legend to keep it so it's at the back. in one thousand nine hundred two that must qualify for the european championships at the very last moment no one believed in us but we won and i'm hoping to bring some of that waiting spirit to the r.c.c. . recently i had a lot of practice so i can guarantee you that peter schmeichel will be on the best fall since my last world complex in that steroids are asleep. thousand zero zero zero zero he didn't rush out. i strike. left left left more or less ok. stuff that's really good. about it under the mat i don't have it but that's not a good idea oh no i mean. by that im going to put him at the innocent to school but they know me a little much to be stiff a lot. of say not a single thing. that. write about and then it doesn't it doesn't assume i'm not a roman on sunday the nut job on another channel that it got something as innocent . and then minimalist will go down and down and submit as we're going to find out i'm done. and i'm. not committed and known would come in the mediterranean sea. and then i'm going to somehow listener count somehow moments from some solar system a gas and. he's. counting on i cloud and then i'll do one of the for them though i doubt it. is a civilization just a tiny bit more advanced than we are that they can already pick up jerry springer or any other sitcoms interview shows the nightly news they see what we're doing to our planet you know it isn't really a very pretty picture and so in addition to sending this chaotic messages that we used to communicate with one another we want to send a clear signal to the extraterrestrial that there's also some rationality on the world. israel's prime minister orders the country's withdrawal from unesco despite having several recognized. u.s. olympic gold medalist reveals years long abused by a team. high ranking sports officials and buying her silence spoke to another form of gymnasts who was the first to publicly come forward. i wish i could say that i was surprised but the reality with us egypt is a decades long policy of covering up sexual abuse. and facebook admits that its fake news red flag system is having the opposite effect by attracting even more views.

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